Really Confused

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2009, 02:42:16 PM »
No, Taters, YOU did not say anything about seeing the curved edge, it was one of your cronies (W I believe). I though you all sang from the same hymn sheet? No wonder none of us can get sense out of the flatters with all these different opinions they all have. At least we round earth people all believe in the same thing. It makes crushing your ideas so much easier.


So, back to discussion at hand. Katie, I have to say, this kind of posting makes you look bad, and makes it very difficult for me to have any respect or regard for you or your opinions. You are too intelligent for this to be interpreted as anything other than wilful misrepresentation of FE'ers and their beliefs. You know perfectly well that many of us have different opinions about a number of different things. You're also well aware that RE scientists do not all believe the same thing, and I know this because you actually pointed this out to me in the course of another discussion!


It's not the first time you've engaged in this kind of posting, and I've gone from considering you as an articulate and polite RE'er to seeing you as a petty sophist.


I'm sorry about this, but could you please move this thread to angry ranting or split it at the point when it became angry ranting?


We send topics to AR if they are angry or ranting to begin with. When a thread has a valid starting point, I expect it to produce valid discussion. If people derail it with AR-level posting, then we don't move it, but rather warn/suspend the people involved.


As long as things stay civil from this point on, there should be no problem. Now, back to the discussion.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Taters343

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2009, 02:45:13 PM »
I'm sorry about this, but could you please move this thread to angry ranting or split it at the point when it became angry ranting?


We send topics to AR if they are angry or ranting to begin with. When a thread has a valid starting point, I expect it to produce valid discussion. If people derail it with AR-level posting, then we don't move it, but rather warn/suspend the people involved.


As long as things stay civil from this point on, there should be no problem. Now, back to the discussion.

Ok, point taken. It was really difficult for me to stay civil when people asked the same question I had already answered, I will remain civil now though.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2009, 02:45:31 PM »
Anymore flaming/personal attacks and I will hand out suspensions. Stop behaving like children. You're all old enough and have been here long enough to know better. Consider this a warning.

I agree completely but I wish you wouldn't talk about "behaving like children" to refer to behaving in a negative way as this could be offensive to some.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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KatiePipkin

Re: Really Confused
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2009, 02:47:45 PM »
Your list could be made for anything through being selective about what is on the list so it doesn't really mean much but in any case, let's have a look.

Round earthers all believe the same thing? That's a laugh! There are just as many variations of RET (if not more) than of FET.

Some things that round earth people are generally in agreement about that flat earth people generally have no coherence in their group view:
The size of the Earth No, they don't.
The layout of the countries There is disagreement.
The existence of Antarctica This is also agreed upon in FET.
The orbit of Earth round the Sun Some believe the sun orbits the earth.
The orbit of the Moon round the Earth There is disagreement.
The distance of the stars No one can really know the distance of the stars.
I could go on, but I can't be bothered.

And before you start nitpicking that "some people think the stars are only about 100 miles away and the moon is cheese, even though they think the earth is round" I'm not talking about people who have differing beliefs through ignorance. If you got someone who thought the stars were 100 miles away, and sat them down and explained clearly, using examples they could understand, that science can demonstrate their distance and how it does it, after that they would believe what science has shown them. Flat earth theory fails to be able to do anything like that and that's why people will always be more likely to believe round earth theory, even if it isn't true - because it can be demonstrated to at least appear to be true within the limits of provable knowledge.

Wow, six things that round earthers agree on and they weren't even.

1. Size of the earth - what order of magnitude is the disagreement in Round Earth Theory? I believe the discrepancy between views in FET is from a few thousand miles up to infinity or anywhere in between.
2. Again, what is the order of magnitude of disagreement about the layout of countries in RET? See the different maps put forward by the different flatters and tell me there is that much dispute about any of RET geography.
3. Some flatters believe Antarctica is a seperate island on the Earth (I think Wilmore subscribes to this map, among others) whereas some think it's an ice wall round the edge rather than a discrete continent, so your statement that there is agreement in FET is laughable.
4. People who believe the Sun orbits round the earth fall into the category of simple ignorance. Those who are not educated to a proper standard or educated using plain wrong ideas that contradict observable evidence would change their mind to the correct view if shown how science etc etc etc read the whole bloody post next time etc.
5. What sort of disagreement? Who thinks the earth is round but that the Moon doesn't orbit round it? Give names.
6. The distance of the stars: Yes we can estimate their distance using several different and unrelated techniques, but I'm sure you think it's all lies as the answer is more than 3100 miles.

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KatiePipkin

Re: Really Confused
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2009, 02:49:53 PM »
No, Taters, YOU did not say anything about seeing the curved edge, it was one of your cronies (W I believe). I though you all sang from the same hymn sheet? No wonder none of us can get sense out of the flatters with all these different opinions they all have. At least we round earth people all believe in the same thing. It makes crushing your ideas so much easier.


So, back to discussion at hand. Katie, I have to say, this kind of posting makes you look bad, and makes it very difficult for me to have any respect or regard for you or your opinions. You are too intelligent for this to be interpreted as anything other than wilful misrepresentation of FE'ers and their beliefs. You know perfectly well that many of us have different opinions about a number of different things. You're also well aware that RE scientists do not all believe the same thing, and I know this because you actually pointed this out to me in the course of another discussion!


It's not the first time you've engaged in this kind of posting, and I've gone from considering you as an articulate and polite RE'er to seeing you as a petty sophist.


I'm sorry about this, but could you please move this thread to angry ranting or split it at the point when it became angry ranting?


We send topics to AR if they are angry or ranting to begin with. When a thread has a valid starting point, I expect it to produce valid discussion. If people derail it with AR-level posting, then we don't move it, but rather warn/suspend the people involved.


As long as things stay civil from this point on, there should be no problem. Now, back to the discussion.

Yeah OK I'll behave as long as I don't get sworn at.

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2009, 02:56:19 PM »
Yeah OK I'll behave as long as I don't get sworn at.


That post wasn't about misbehaviour. I covered that earlier with my other post, and in any case I wouldn't single you out unfairly- it takes two to tango after all. That's why I left out the personal attacks when I quoted you. None of what I quoted was against the rules; I was challenging you as a poster, not as a moderator.


In short, I was not posting in any official capacity, just criticising your methods of debate.
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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2009, 02:57:01 PM »


1. Size of the earth - what order of magnitude is the disagreement in Round Earth Theory? I believe the discrepancy between views in FET is from a few thousand miles up to infinity or anywhere in between.
2. Again, what is the order of magnitude of disagreement about the layout of countries in RET? See the different maps put forward by the different flatters and tell me there is that much dispute about any of RET geography.
3. Some flatters believe Antarctica is a seperate island on the Earth (I think Wilmore subscribes to this map, among others) whereas some think it's an ice wall round the edge rather than a discrete continent, so your statement that there is agreement in FET is laughable.
4. People who believe the Sun orbits round the earth fall into the category of simple ignorance. Those who are not educated to a proper standard or educated using plain wrong ideas that contradict observable evidence would change their mind to the correct view if shown how science etc etc etc read the whole bloody post next time etc.
5. What sort of disagreement? Who thinks the earth is round but that the Moon doesn't orbit round it? Give names.
6. The distance of the stars: Yes we can estimate their distance using several different and unrelated techniques, but I'm sure you think it's all lies as the answer is more than 3100 miles.

Lets not even start with Gravity, what it is...what causes it?

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2009, 04:57:57 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

Also I wanted to add that in addition to the placebo effect that Robosteve mentioned, many people who think they've seen the "curvature" of the earth have actually just seen its round (curved) edge.

Its round curved edge? Didn't see no ice wall..

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2009, 05:56:13 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

Also I wanted to add that in addition to the placebo effect that Robosteve mentioned, many people who think they've seen the "curvature" of the earth have actually just seen its round (curved) edge.

Its round curved edge? Didn't see no ice wall..

What?

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2009, 07:14:26 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

Also I wanted to add that in addition to the placebo effect that Robosteve mentioned, many people who think they've seen the "curvature" of the earth have actually just seen its round (curved) edge.

Its round curved edge? Didn't see no ice wall..

Yada, yada, yada, air density and all that jazz.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2009, 12:38:45 AM »
Lets not even start with Gravity, what it is...what causes it?
The same thing which fuels the UA.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2009, 01:31:59 AM »
Sweet.

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2009, 02:30:23 AM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

Also I wanted to add that in addition to the placebo effect that Robosteve mentioned, many people who think they've seen the "curvature" of the earth have actually just seen its round (curved) edge.

Its round curved edge? Didn't see no ice wall..

What?

What?? Are you serious? If I was to see the edge of the Earth, wouldn't the "ice wall" be visible?

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Re: Really Confused
« Reply #73 on: August 24, 2009, 03:12:40 PM »
Ok guys this flat earth thing has me stumped. Have any of you every been on a plane? You can see the curvature of the earth when you are up that high. Also having climbed Ben Nevis I can personally confirm that the earth is round as you can see it curve from the peak. Care to prove my life experiences wrong? Please do. I just can't see how people can believe the earth is flat in this day and age.

Also I wanted to add that in addition to the placebo effect that Robosteve mentioned, many people who think they've seen the "curvature" of the earth have actually just seen its round (curved) edge.

Its round curved edge? Didn't see no ice wall..

What?

What?? Are you serious? If I was to see the edge of the Earth, wouldn't the "ice wall" be visible?

No.
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.