In Case of Zombies

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #660 on: August 16, 2010, 06:45:02 AM »
Fallacy. 

I'd love to hear what it is.

Because it is fun and because I am free to do so. 

It doesn't matter how you are using it, a weapon is still a weapon.

Would I be justified with the police if I play football with pipe bombs, and therefore I keep a stack of them in my house?

Any tool can be used as a weapon. You can kill someone with a spoon, a weight, a paper bag, etc.

Besides practicality i see no difference between someone practicing shooting a gun/bow/etc., training with a sword/axe/etc., or with a football/basketball/etc.

Although, the first two are probably a bit more useful for real life situations lol.

Any tool can be used as a weapon, but when an object is a weapon by it's very nature, it is a weapon no matter how you use them.

Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

How are they in terms of deliberate death?

Still fairly high.

It's not a very good weapon if you want to get away with a crime, but that does not mean it doesn't kill more people than other weapons.

(Does it really matter that most of its kills are accidents? That probably makes it more dangerous)

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #661 on: August 16, 2010, 10:14:51 AM »
Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

A car's purpose when it is built is not to kill people. In fact, lately cars have been built to try and protect the driver and other drivers in case of an accident. Guns on the other hand, are, and over the years people have built them to be even better at it.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #662 on: August 16, 2010, 11:50:24 AM »
Fallacy. 

I'd love to hear what it is.

Because it is fun and because I am free to do so. 

It doesn't matter how you are using it, a weapon is still a weapon.

Would I be justified with the police if I play football with pipe bombs, and therefore I keep a stack of them in my house?

Any tool can be used as a weapon. You can kill someone with a spoon, a weight, a paper bag, etc.

Besides practicality i see no difference between someone practicing shooting a gun/bow/etc., training with a sword/axe/etc., or with a football/basketball/etc.

Although, the first two are probably a bit more useful for real life situations lol.

Any tool can be used as a weapon, but when an object is a weapon by it's very nature, it is a weapon no matter how you use them.

Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

How are they in terms of deliberate death?

Still fairly high.

It's not a very good weapon if you want to get away with a crime, but that does not mean it doesn't kill more people than other weapons.

(Does it really matter that most of its kills are accidents? That probably makes it more dangerous)

Cancer is the biggest killer in the US, but no assassin would attempt to smoke at someone.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #663 on: August 16, 2010, 12:40:05 PM »
Fallacy. 

I'd love to hear what it is.

Because it is fun and because I am free to do so. 

It doesn't matter how you are using it, a weapon is still a weapon.

Would I be justified with the police if I play football with pipe bombs, and therefore I keep a stack of them in my house?

Any tool can be used as a weapon. You can kill someone with a spoon, a weight, a paper bag, etc.

Besides practicality i see no difference between someone practicing shooting a gun/bow/etc., training with a sword/axe/etc., or with a football/basketball/etc.

Although, the first two are probably a bit more useful for real life situations lol.

Any tool can be used as a weapon, but when an object is a weapon by it's very nature, it is a weapon no matter how you use them.

Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

How are they in terms of deliberate death?

Still fairly high.

It's not a very good weapon if you want to get away with a crime, but that does not mean it doesn't kill more people than other weapons.

(Does it really matter that most of its kills are accidents? That probably makes it more dangerous)

Cancer is the biggest killer in the US, but no assassin would attempt to smoke at someone.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #664 on: August 16, 2010, 05:29:52 PM »
Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

A car's purpose when it is built is not to kill people. In fact, lately cars have been built to try and protect the driver and other drivers in case of an accident. Guns on the other hand, are, and over the years people have built them to be even better at it.

Because this was meant to kill



That is an extremely high end Anschuetz .22lr target rifle. It was built for one purpose, not to kill, but to make very tiny groups on paper. I wouldn't consider that a weapon.

I don't believe any item is automatically a weapon. How it's used makes all the difference. A pencil isn't a weapon. However, in the right hands it can become an effective weapon. In court when they bring out the evidence, the weapon used would be a pencil. Now is a pencil a weapon? Now don't get me wrong, a gun can be used as a weapon. All too often they are. The majority of firearms in the U.S. aren't used to kill or wound anyone, therefore the U.S. has few weapons that are guns.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #665 on: August 16, 2010, 06:26:48 PM »
So, an AK47 isn't made to kill people, just to make a larger spread of holes in a sheet of paper, amirite?
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #666 on: August 16, 2010, 07:01:17 PM »
So, an AK47 isn't made to kill people, just to make a larger spread of holes in a sheet of paper, amirite?

An AK is made to send a small metal object at very high speeds. The end result is often in the death of another being but thats not what its made to do.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #667 on: August 16, 2010, 07:42:29 PM »
So, an AK47 isn't made to kill people, just to make a larger spread of holes in a sheet of paper, amirite?

An AK is made to send a small metal object at very high speeds. The end result is often in the death of another being but thats not what its made to do.

Considering the AK website says:

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The AKM also has a folding-stock version, designated AKMS, intended for use by riflemen in armored infantry combat vehicles such as the BMP. Except for its T-shaped, stamped-metal, folding buttstock, the AKMS is identical to the AKM. The folding-stock model can reduce its length from 868 to 699 millimeters.

I think it is safe to say it is made to shoot at other people.

Also, by that wording you use then my pipe bomb should be allowable. It is just meant to expel energy. Kinda like a microwave amiright?
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #668 on: August 17, 2010, 12:14:51 AM »
So, an AK47 isn't made to kill people, just to make a larger spread of holes in a sheet of paper, amirite?

An AK is made to send a small metal object at very high speeds. The end result is often in the death of another being but thats not what its made to do.

Considering the AK website says:

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The AKM also has a folding-stock version, designated AKMS, intended for use by riflemen in armored infantry combat vehicles such as the BMP. Except for its T-shaped, stamped-metal, folding buttstock, the AKMS is identical to the AKM. The folding-stock model can reduce its length from 868 to 699 millimeters.

I think it is safe to say it is made to shoot at other people.

Also, by that wording you use then my pipe bomb should be allowable. It is just meant to expel energy. Kinda like a microwave amiright?

Its intended for armored infantry combat vehicles, so are rations. Military rations are intended for military uses, are they now weapons?

My wording has nothing to do with the legality of a tool, i merely wish to specify how tools should be listed

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #669 on: August 17, 2010, 12:16:26 AM »
Its intended for armored infantry combat vehicles, so are rations. Military rations are intended for military uses, are they now weapons?

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #670 on: August 17, 2010, 12:19:13 AM »
Its intended for armored infantry combat vehicles, so are rations. Military rations are intended for military uses, are they now weapons?

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #671 on: August 17, 2010, 12:26:26 AM »
Its intended for armored infantry combat vehicles, so are rations. Military rations are intended for military uses, are they now weapons?

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I tired of this semantics debate. I'm sure it is clear to all parties that anything can seem harmless or harmful with the correct wording. However, semantics doesn't change the fact that a AK-47 is made for combat purposes, which means it is made to shoot at other people. Rations that are made for combat are rations that are made to eat during combat.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #672 on: August 17, 2010, 12:40:06 AM »
Its intended for armored infantry combat vehicles, so are rations. Military rations are intended for military uses, are they now weapons?

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See what i did thar?

I tired of this semantics debate. I'm sure it is clear to all parties that anything can seem harmless or harmful with the correct wording. However, semantics doesn't change the fact that a AK-47 is made for combat purposes, which means it is made to shoot at other people. Rations that are made for combat are rations that are made to eat during combat.

I've eaten military rations while rafting, so apparently i was in combat with the water itself. BY GEORGE.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #673 on: August 17, 2010, 02:56:18 AM »
Its intended for armored infantry combat vehicles, so are rations. Military rations are intended for military uses, are they now weapons?

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See what i did thar?

I tired of this semantics debate. I'm sure it is clear to all parties that anything can seem harmless or harmful with the correct wording. However, semantics doesn't change the fact that a AK-47 is made for combat purposes, which means it is made to shoot at other people. Rations that are made for combat are rations that are made to eat during combat.

I've eaten military rations while rafting, so apparently i was in combat with the water itself. BY GEORGE.

Military rations aren't for eating during combat. Only a lunatic would take a firefight as an opportunity to have nibbles.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #674 on: August 17, 2010, 07:33:29 AM »
Fallacy. 

I'd love to hear what it is.

Because it is fun and because I am free to do so. 

It doesn't matter how you are using it, a weapon is still a weapon.

Would I be justified with the police if I play football with pipe bombs, and therefore I keep a stack of them in my house?

Any tool can be used as a weapon. You can kill someone with a spoon, a weight, a paper bag, etc.

Besides practicality i see no difference between someone practicing shooting a gun/bow/etc., training with a sword/axe/etc., or with a football/basketball/etc.

Although, the first two are probably a bit more useful for real life situations lol.

Any tool can be used as a weapon, but when an object is a weapon by it's very nature, it is a weapon no matter how you use them.

Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

How are they in terms of deliberate death?

Still fairly high.

It's not a very good weapon if you want to get away with a crime, but that does not mean it doesn't kill more people than other weapons.

(Does it really matter that most of its kills are accidents? That probably makes it more dangerous)

Cancer is the biggest killer in the US, but no assassin would attempt to smoke at someone.

Sorry, you're thinking of heart disease, and many poisons are used to cause heart attacks.

But cars are used to commit murder. And commit more accidental deaths than guns.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #675 on: August 17, 2010, 10:42:16 AM »
Fallacy. 

I'd love to hear what it is.

Because it is fun and because I am free to do so. 

It doesn't matter how you are using it, a weapon is still a weapon.

Would I be justified with the police if I play football with pipe bombs, and therefore I keep a stack of them in my house?

Any tool can be used as a weapon. You can kill someone with a spoon, a weight, a paper bag, etc.

Besides practicality i see no difference between someone practicing shooting a gun/bow/etc., training with a sword/axe/etc., or with a football/basketball/etc.

Although, the first two are probably a bit more useful for real life situations lol.

Any tool can be used as a weapon, but when an object is a weapon by it's very nature, it is a weapon no matter how you use them.

Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

How are they in terms of deliberate death?

Still fairly high.

It's not a very good weapon if you want to get away with a crime, but that does not mean it doesn't kill more people than other weapons.

(Does it really matter that most of its kills are accidents? That probably makes it more dangerous)

Cancer is the biggest killer in the US, but no assassin would attempt to smoke at someone.

Sorry, you're thinking of heart disease, and many poisons are used to cause heart attacks.

But cars are used to commit murder. And commit more accidental deaths than guns.

I thought it was heart disease too, but I checked to be safe and cancer apparently overtook it in 2004.

Also, why do accidental deaths count anyway?
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #676 on: August 17, 2010, 10:48:34 AM »
Fallacy. 

I'd love to hear what it is.

Because it is fun and because I am free to do so. 

It doesn't matter how you are using it, a weapon is still a weapon.

Would I be justified with the police if I play football with pipe bombs, and therefore I keep a stack of them in my house?

Any tool can be used as a weapon. You can kill someone with a spoon, a weight, a paper bag, etc.

Besides practicality i see no difference between someone practicing shooting a gun/bow/etc., training with a sword/axe/etc., or with a football/basketball/etc.

Although, the first two are probably a bit more useful for real life situations lol.

Any tool can be used as a weapon, but when an object is a weapon by it's very nature, it is a weapon no matter how you use them.

Your car is very effective at killing. It weighs several tons and goes up to a hundred miles per hour. It is obviously built for nothing other than killing.

Cars are even the number one cause of accidental death. Much higher than any other weapon.

How are they in terms of deliberate death?

Still fairly high.

It's not a very good weapon if you want to get away with a crime, but that does not mean it doesn't kill more people than other weapons.

(Does it really matter that most of its kills are accidents? That probably makes it more dangerous)

Cancer is the biggest killer in the US, but no assassin would attempt to smoke at someone.

Sorry, you're thinking of heart disease, and many poisons are used to cause heart attacks.

But cars are used to commit murder. And commit more accidental deaths than guns.

I thought it was heart disease too, but I checked to be safe and cancer apparently overtook it in 2004.

Also, why do accidental deaths count anyway?

Because people....um....died.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #677 on: August 17, 2010, 11:02:08 AM »
ITT: Guns are weapons. Deal with it.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #678 on: August 17, 2010, 11:24:36 AM »
ITT: Guns are weapons. Deal with it.

Agreed. It's not a moral judgement, just a fact.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #679 on: August 17, 2010, 09:44:21 PM »
ITT: Guns are weapons. Deal with it.

Agreed. It's not a moral judgement, just a fact.

Fact is in the eyes of the beholder :).

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #680 on: August 17, 2010, 10:00:38 PM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #681 on: August 17, 2010, 10:04:19 PM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

Yes. And the what you choose to do with it doesn't change what it actually is. Just as me using a pipe-bomb for a football doesn't change the fact that it is still a device used to cause damage to people.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #682 on: August 17, 2010, 10:07:29 PM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

Yes. And the what you choose to do with it doesn't change what it actually is. Just as me using a pipe-bomb for a football doesn't change the fact that it is still a device used to cause damage to people.

Pipe bombs are made to make explosions which usually result in causing damage.

Shavers are made to shave, but results in sometimes cutting yourself.

Axes are made to cut down things, sometimes resulting in people getting cut down.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #683 on: August 17, 2010, 10:25:29 PM »
Axes can be made specially for battle, and as such CAN be considered a weapon. Shavers are considered shavers.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #684 on: August 17, 2010, 10:28:39 PM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

Yes. And the what you choose to do with it doesn't change what it actually is. Just as me using a pipe-bomb for a football doesn't change the fact that it is still a device used to cause damage to people.

Pipe bombs are made to make explosions which usually result in causing damage.

Shavers are made to shave, but results in sometimes cutting yourself.

Axes are made to cut down things, sometimes resulting in people getting cut down.


Pipe bombs are made to cause a chemical reaction to occur.

Glow Sticks are made to cause a chemical reaction to occur.

Therefore I should be able to have pipe-bombs just as I am allowed to have glow sticks.


On a more serious note, guns are made to shoot bullets which usually are shot at other people.
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #685 on: August 18, 2010, 06:00:11 AM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

This has already been shown to not be true for all guns. 
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #686 on: August 18, 2010, 07:59:15 AM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

This has already been shown to not be true for all guns. 
Does the gun not damage the thing you are shooting at?

Not all pipebombs are made to hurt/kill things.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #687 on: August 18, 2010, 12:55:16 PM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

Guns, in general, are made hold a cartridge and then apply a force to a specific region of that cartridge. Possibly with the ability to cycle secondary cartridges into the position of the first once the force is applied.

That is all.

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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #688 on: August 18, 2010, 01:01:40 PM »
Guns are made to hurt/kill things.

Guns, in general, are made hold a cartridge and then apply a force to a specific region of that cartridge. Possibly with the ability to cycle secondary cartridges into the position of the first once the force is applied.

That is all.

And the application of such a device?
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Re: In Case of Zombies
« Reply #689 on: August 18, 2010, 02:07:09 PM »
This argument is very similar to one I had about cheerleading today. Maybe later I'll screencap the whole thing and start a thread.