In Case of Zombies

thats the whole point of not shooting till they see you moron, which is why I've been talking about close range, inner-building fighting.
Pistols have something nice called a magazine, very handy when you need to reload.
Good luck finding plentiful subsonic rounds 0.o. Subsonic rounds only muffle the sound of the bullet, not the actual metal parts of the gun. So if your shooting anything that is out of range of hearing the slide move and lock or you pumping the gun, your wasting ammunition again.

You get ammo and food in buildings, not big nice fields with random stands sitting around, If your shooting at all, its going to be things almost right in front of you. If your running out into the street shooting things at 200 yards who don't even notice you stealing some food and ammo, Good job you caught all of their attention and now theyre going to be chasing your ass down.




Good luck shooting something that far without being in a good position, with iron sights, and relatively calm. And good luck being calm if 100 of these bastards are running at you. And if this is the head-dead zombies (only killed with a headshot) your screwed even worse while chasing you.

If you start shooting in general, you're pretty fucked. Also, good luck running and scoring headshots. Remember every shot will more than likely cause more zombies to start moving in your direction.

If you start shooting in general, you're pretty fucked. Also, good luck running and scoring headshots. Remember every shot will more than likely cause more zombies to start moving in your direction.

QFT

And for the running thing its more of a plan to shoot em to stop em. Wasting time try to get kills unless its point blank when all i need is ammo and stuff, I waste maybe at most 3 clips. 3 x 12 = 36 shots for maybe a few hundred .45 shots i just found.

Save your ammo for the final hold, not for running around .

you could start stocking up now, and never have to run around looking for supplies.

you could start stocking up now, and never have to run around looking for supplies.

Eh either way your going to have to make trips to stores, cities, etc. Might as well have a plan on how to get in and out quick.
Maps + Truck + Machine gun on the bed + teams with preplanned course + light but effective close range weapons = Get in, Take what you need, get out.

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 03, 2010, 10:39:52 AM

you could start stocking up now, and never have to run around looking for supplies.

Eh either way your going to have to make trips to stores, cities, etc. Might as well have a plan on how to get in and out quick.
Maps + Truck + Machine gun on the bed + teams with preplanned course + light but effective close range weapons = Get in, Take what you need, get out.

Pet zombies. You can cut off their hands and rub the zombie juices all over your body so you will smell like zombies. Then they won't chase after you.

PET ZOMBIES. You can use them for sex slaves.

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 03, 2010, 09:22:17 AM

If you start shooting in general, you're pretty fucked. Also, good luck running and scoring headshots. Remember every shot will more than likely cause more zombies to start moving in your direction.

QFT

And for the running thing its more of a plan to shoot em to stop em. Wasting time try to get kills unless its point blank when all i need is ammo and stuff, I waste maybe at most 3 clips. 3 x 12 = 36 shots for maybe a few hundred .45 shots i just found.

Save your ammo for the final hold, not for running around .

Wow, I thought .22's were good, but they lack any real stopping power which is what you're desiring here.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 09:41:57 AM

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 03, 2010, 09:22:17 AM

If you start shooting in general, you're pretty fucked. Also, good luck running and scoring headshots. Remember every shot will more than likely cause more zombies to start moving in your direction.

QFT

And for the running thing its more of a plan to shoot em to stop em. Wasting time try to get kills unless its point blank when all i need is ammo and stuff, I waste maybe at most 3 clips. 3 x 12 = 36 shots for maybe a few hundred .45 shots i just found.

Save your ammo for the final hold, not for running around .

Wow, I thought .22's were good, but they lack any real stopping power which is what you're desiring here.

That was actually a point he brought up earlier, too. They don't have stopping power. Too lazy to look for it, though.

So your a master of survival and scavenging and can pull food and ammo out of your ass after a few years of surviving?

Stockpile!

thats the whole point of not shooting till they see you moron, which is why I've been talking about close range, inner-building fighting.
Pistols have something nice called a magazine, very handy when you need to reload.
Good luck finding plentiful subsonic rounds 0.o. Subsonic rounds only muffle the sound of the bullet, not the actual metal parts of the gun. So if your shooting anything that is out of range of hearing the slide move and lock or you pumping the gun, your wasting ammunition again.

You get ammo and food in buildings, not big nice fields with random stands sitting around, If your shooting at all, its going to be things almost right in front of you. If your running out into the street shooting things at 200 yards who don't even notice you stealing some food and ammo, Good job you caught all of their attention and now theyre going to be chasing your ass down.


http://www.grsc.com/images_crs/200_yards.jpg

Good luck shooting something that far without being in a good position, with iron sights, and relatively calm. And good luck being calm if 100 of these bastards are running at you. And if this is the head-dead zombies (only killed with a headshot) your screwed even worse while chasing you.

You are correct in that they muffle only the sound of the bullet. However working a lever action isn't that loud. Also making subsonic ammo isn't hard at all. Especially if you have reloading equipment. Remove bullet, empty powder to desired level, but back bullet. This has been done before historically. Jews in occupied areas surrounding Germany would often need a concealable weapon. Not having a pistol on hand they'd chop down rifles. They'd then fabricate there own reduced loads.

I'm well aware of what 200yds looks like, I'm confident that I could do it with the irons on my Ar, Mosin, SKS, or AK (I practice with 8" steel plates).
 A scope would just make it all that much easier. I wouldn't try to run and shoot. My strategy would be shoot prone, then book it. For somone less experienced than I, I'm confident they could do 75yds with little to no training.

PET ZOMBIES. You can use them for sex slaves.

You know the entire point of the zombie virus is spread by fluid contact, right? It's plausible, but you'll be going through three condoms at a time if you don't want infected. Better to just get a human slave, because if you're the only one prepared people will be willing to go into slavery for shelter.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

So your a master of survival and scavenging and can pull food and ammo out of your ass after a few years of surviving?

Stockpile!

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

thats the whole point of not shooting till they see you moron, which is why I've been talking about close range, inner-building fighting.
Pistols have something nice called a magazine, very handy when you need to reload.
Good luck finding plentiful subsonic rounds 0.o. Subsonic rounds only muffle the sound of the bullet, not the actual metal parts of the gun. So if your shooting anything that is out of range of hearing the slide move and lock or you pumping the gun, your wasting ammunition again.

You get ammo and food in buildings, not big nice fields with random stands sitting around, If your shooting at all, its going to be things almost right in front of you. If your running out into the street shooting things at 200 yards who don't even notice you stealing some food and ammo, Good job you caught all of their attention and now theyre going to be chasing your ass down.


http://www.grsc.com/images_crs/200_yards.jpg

Good luck shooting something that far without being in a good position, with iron sights, and relatively calm. And good luck being calm if 100 of these bastards are running at you. And if this is the head-dead zombies (only killed with a headshot) your screwed even worse while chasing you.

You are correct in that they muffle only the sound of the bullet. However working a lever action isn't that loud. Also making subsonic ammo isn't hard at all. Especially if you have reloading equipment. Remove bullet, empty powder to desired level, but back bullet. This has been done before historically. Jews in occupied areas surrounding Germany would often need a concealable weapon. Not having a pistol on hand they'd chop down rifles. They'd then fabricate there own reduced loads.

I'm well aware of what 200yds looks like, I'm confident that I could do it with the irons on my Ar, Mosin, SKS, or AK (I practice with 8" steel plates).
 A scope would just make it all that much easier. I wouldn't try to run and shoot. My strategy would be shoot prone, then book it. For somone less experienced than I, I'm confident they could do 75yds with little to no training.

You can stockpile 10+ years of equipment in one area without ever having to leave 0.o?

"My strategy would be shoot prone"
Wow you people really arn't getting the image lol. You prone in the middle of a street in a city, a zombie comes up behind you, hey guess what, your screwed. Go ahead and try to sprawl up from a prone position and try to outrun a zombie. (Fast or slow).

Think of it like L4D, now imagine you proned to shoot all those buggers coming down an alley way, oh cool you popped off a few headshots, oh wait an entire horde of them just came up behind you and you cant get back up.

All of these shots should be either standing, or MAYBE crouched. If not, then you shouldn't be shooting aforementioned target.

And if you take out the powder your just going to make the bullet so weak your better off saving it for closer range targets anyway.

This isn't a little strip of field that you can lie down and shoot at zombies all day, this is, you surrounded in a city full of them and your trying to get in and out <.<. Which is going to be at least 50% of the time your going to be scavenging, the other 20% barricading, 20% sleeping/eating/etc., 10% actually holding down your AO from swarms attacking you.

Think of it like L4D

No. This thinking of it like L4D is the reason you're having this disagreement, and the reason you're on the wrong side. In fact, I suggest the contrary, you stop thinking of anything like L4D forever.

Hell, if they weren't going to bother making it anything approaching realistic they could have at least made it fun, but they didn't and its success baffles me.

Quote from: Anteater7171 on August 03, 2010, 12:38:52 PM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

So your a master of survival and scavenging and can pull food and ammo out of your ass after a few years of surviving?

Stockpile!

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

thats the whole point of not shooting till they see you moron, which is why I've been talking about close range, inner-building fighting.
Pistols have something nice called a magazine, very handy when you need to reload.
Good luck finding plentiful subsonic rounds 0.o. Subsonic rounds only muffle the sound of the bullet, not the actual metal parts of the gun. So if your shooting anything that is out of range of hearing the slide move and lock or you pumping the gun, your wasting ammunition again.

You get ammo and food in buildings, not big nice fields with random stands sitting around, If your shooting at all, its going to be things almost right in front of you. If your running out into the street shooting things at 200 yards who don't even notice you stealing some food and ammo, Good job you caught all of their attention and now theyre going to be chasing your ass down.


http://www.grsc.com/images_crs/200_yards.jpg

Good luck shooting something that far without being in a good position, with iron sights, and relatively calm. And good luck being calm if 100 of these bastards are running at you. And if this is the head-dead zombies (only killed with a headshot) your screwed even worse while chasing you.

You are correct in that they muffle only the sound of the bullet. However working a lever action isn't that loud. Also making subsonic ammo isn't hard at all. Especially if you have reloading equipment. Remove bullet, empty powder to desired level, but back bullet. This has been done before historically. Jews in occupied areas surrounding Germany would often need a concealable weapon. Not having a pistol on hand they'd chop down rifles. They'd then fabricate there own reduced loads.

I'm well aware of what 200yds looks like, I'm confident that I could do it with the irons on my Ar, Mosin, SKS, or AK (I practice with 8" steel plates).
 A scope would just make it all that much easier. I wouldn't try to run and shoot. My strategy would be shoot prone, then book it. For somone less experienced than I, I'm confident they could do 75yds with little to no training.

You can stockpile 10+ years of equipment in one area without ever having to leave 0.o?

"My strategy would be shoot prone"
Wow you people really arn't getting the image lol. You prone in the middle of a street in a city, a zombie comes up behind you, hey guess what, your screwed. Go ahead and try to sprawl up from a prone position and try to outrun a zombie. (Fast or slow).

Think of it like L4D, now imagine you proned to shoot all those buggers coming down an alley way, oh cool you popped off a few headshots, oh wait an entire horde of them just came up behind you and you cant get back up.

All of these shots should be either standing, or MAYBE crouched. If not, then you shouldn't be shooting aforementioned target.

And if you take out the powder your just going to make the bullet so weak your better off saving it for closer range targets anyway.

This isn't a little strip of field that you can lie down and shoot at zombies all day, this is, you surrounded in a city full of them and your trying to get in and out <.<. Which is going to be at least 50% of the time your going to be scavenging, the other 20% barricading, 20% sleeping/eating/etc., 10% actually holding down your AO from swarms attacking you.

This is where are disagreement stems from. You're thinking of it like a video game, I'm thinking of it like real life. You're bringing in strategies that would likely work in a game, I'm bringing in strategies that are likely to work in real life.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 01:41:33 PM

Quote from: Anteater7171 on August 03, 2010, 12:38:52 PM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

So your a master of survival and scavenging and can pull food and ammo out of your ass after a few years of surviving?

Stockpile!

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

thats the whole point of not shooting till they see you moron, which is why I've been talking about close range, inner-building fighting.
Pistols have something nice called a magazine, very handy when you need to reload.
Good luck finding plentiful subsonic rounds 0.o. Subsonic rounds only muffle the sound of the bullet, not the actual metal parts of the gun. So if your shooting anything that is out of range of hearing the slide move and lock or you pumping the gun, your wasting ammunition again.

You get ammo and food in buildings, not big nice fields with random stands sitting around, If your shooting at all, its going to be things almost right in front of you. If your running out into the street shooting things at 200 yards who don't even notice you stealing some food and ammo, Good job you caught all of their attention and now theyre going to be chasing your ass down.


http://www.grsc.com/images_crs/200_yards.jpg

Good luck shooting something that far without being in a good position, with iron sights, and relatively calm. And good luck being calm if 100 of these bastards are running at you. And if this is the head-dead zombies (only killed with a headshot) your screwed even worse while chasing you.

You are correct in that they muffle only the sound of the bullet. However working a lever action isn't that loud. Also making subsonic ammo isn't hard at all. Especially if you have reloading equipment. Remove bullet, empty powder to desired level, but back bullet. This has been done before historically. Jews in occupied areas surrounding Germany would often need a concealable weapon. Not having a pistol on hand they'd chop down rifles. They'd then fabricate there own reduced loads.

I'm well aware of what 200yds looks like, I'm confident that I could do it with the irons on my Ar, Mosin, SKS, or AK (I practice with 8" steel plates).
 A scope would just make it all that much easier. I wouldn't try to run and shoot. My strategy would be shoot prone, then book it. For somone less experienced than I, I'm confident they could do 75yds with little to no training.

You can stockpile 10+ years of equipment in one area without ever having to leave 0.o?

"My strategy would be shoot prone"
Wow you people really arn't getting the image lol. You prone in the middle of a street in a city, a zombie comes up behind you, hey guess what, your screwed. Go ahead and try to sprawl up from a prone position and try to outrun a zombie. (Fast or slow).

Think of it like L4D, now imagine you proned to shoot all those buggers coming down an alley way, oh cool you popped off a few headshots, oh wait an entire horde of them just came up behind you and you cant get back up.

All of these shots should be either standing, or MAYBE crouched. If not, then you shouldn't be shooting aforementioned target.

And if you take out the powder your just going to make the bullet so weak your better off saving it for closer range targets anyway.

This isn't a little strip of field that you can lie down and shoot at zombies all day, this is, you surrounded in a city full of them and your trying to get in and out <.<. Which is going to be at least 50% of the time your going to be scavenging, the other 20% barricading, 20% sleeping/eating/etc., 10% actually holding down your AO from swarms attacking you.

This is where are disagreement stems from. You're thinking of it like a video game, I'm thinking of it like real life. You're bringing in strategies that would likely work in a game, I'm bringing in strategies that are likely to work in real life.

Real life? Zombies are never going to be real so...

Also you still think a .22 lr is a good round.

Real life? Zombies are never going to be real so...

Until they do!

Also you still think a .22 lr is a good round.

Yes, it's a great round.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 01:41:33 PM

Think of it like L4D

No. This thinking of it like L4D is the reason you're having this disagreement, and the reason you're on the wrong side. In fact, I suggest the contrary, you stop thinking of anything like L4D forever.

Hell, if they weren't going to bother making it anything approaching realistic they could have at least made it fun, but they didn't and its success baffles me.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 01:41:33 PM

Quote from: Anteater7171 on August 03, 2010, 12:38:52 PM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

So your a master of survival and scavenging and can pull food and ammo out of your ass after a few years of surviving?

Stockpile!

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 07:54:47 AM

thats the whole point of not shooting till they see you moron, which is why I've been talking about close range, inner-building fighting.
Pistols have something nice called a magazine, very handy when you need to reload.
Good luck finding plentiful subsonic rounds 0.o. Subsonic rounds only muffle the sound of the bullet, not the actual metal parts of the gun. So if your shooting anything that is out of range of hearing the slide move and lock or you pumping the gun, your wasting ammunition again.

You get ammo and food in buildings, not big nice fields with random stands sitting around, If your shooting at all, its going to be things almost right in front of you. If your running out into the street shooting things at 200 yards who don't even notice you stealing some food and ammo, Good job you caught all of their attention and now theyre going to be chasing your ass down.


http://www.grsc.com/images_crs/200_yards.jpg

Good luck shooting something that far without being in a good position, with iron sights, and relatively calm. And good luck being calm if 100 of these bastards are running at you. And if this is the head-dead zombies (only killed with a headshot) your screwed even worse while chasing you.

You are correct in that they muffle only the sound of the bullet. However working a lever action isn't that loud. Also making subsonic ammo isn't hard at all. Especially if you have reloading equipment. Remove bullet, empty powder to desired level, but back bullet. This has been done before historically. Jews in occupied areas surrounding Germany would often need a concealable weapon. Not having a pistol on hand they'd chop down rifles. They'd then fabricate there own reduced loads.

I'm well aware of what 200yds looks like, I'm confident that I could do it with the irons on my Ar, Mosin, SKS, or AK (I practice with 8" steel plates).
 A scope would just make it all that much easier. I wouldn't try to run and shoot. My strategy would be shoot prone, then book it. For somone less experienced than I, I'm confident they could do 75yds with little to no training.

You can stockpile 10+ years of equipment in one area without ever having to leave 0.o?

"My strategy would be shoot prone"
Wow you people really arn't getting the image lol. You prone in the middle of a street in a city, a zombie comes up behind you, hey guess what, your screwed. Go ahead and try to sprawl up from a prone position and try to outrun a zombie. (Fast or slow).

Think of it like L4D, now imagine you proned to shoot all those buggers coming down an alley way, oh cool you popped off a few headshots, oh wait an entire horde of them just came up behind you and you cant get back up.

All of these shots should be either standing, or MAYBE crouched. If not, then you shouldn't be shooting aforementioned target.

And if you take out the powder your just going to make the bullet so weak your better off saving it for closer range targets anyway.

This isn't a little strip of field that you can lie down and shoot at zombies all day, this is, you surrounded in a city full of them and your trying to get in and out <.<. Which is going to be at least 50% of the time your going to be scavenging, the other 20% barricading, 20% sleeping/eating/etc., 10% actually holding down your AO from swarms attacking you.

This is where are disagreement stems from. You're thinking of it like a video game, I'm thinking of it like real life. You're bringing in strategies that would likely work in a game, I'm bringing in strategies that are likely to work in real life.

Actually its quite the contrary, your thinking of it like a video game, you guys think its a video game, Sure let me calmly prone here, take aim at a single target and score a single headshot at 200 yards. Im thinking of this practically and I was just using a game as an example. You are surrounded, you dont have time to lay down and pick off 1 or 2 guys. Your using shooting stationary targets at a range as your example So this is where you disagreement stems. My logic is practical, yours is fantasy.

Actually its quite the contrary, your thinking of it like a video game, you guys think its a video game, Sure let me calmly prone here, take aim at a single target and score a single headshot at 200 yards. Im thinking of this practically and I was just using a game as an example. You are surrounded, you dont have time to lay down and pick off 1 or 2 guys. Your using shooting stationary targets at a range as your example So this is where you disagreement stems. My logic is practical, yours is fantasy.

I never fully elaborated, I have also shot moving targets at near that range too. I have pictures (I'll PM them if needed, they're graphic) of a coyote I shot in the head with my Ar-15 at about 185yds. It wasn't stationary, it was walking with a calm gate. This shot was off hand too, I wasn't prone. I was also in my underwear if that makes any difference.

Also prone is a legitimate combat position, the military pounds it into our soldiers heads for a reason.

So, what vehicles do you plan on using when the dead come-a-shuffling?

I'm thinking an old-fashioned bin lorry (garbage truck) mainly. Very strong, low centre of gravity (for its size), designed for stop-start travel as well as distance driving, plenty of space for storage. In the back I'd have mountain bikes for scouting and for emergencies calling for the abandonment of the truck.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 03, 2010, 09:54:45 PM

Actually its quite the contrary, your thinking of it like a video game, you guys think its a video game, Sure let me calmly prone here, take aim at a single target and score a single headshot at 200 yards. Im thinking of this practically and I was just using a game as an example. You are surrounded, you dont have time to lay down and pick off 1 or 2 guys. Your using shooting stationary targets at a range as your example So this is where you disagreement stems. My logic is practical, yours is fantasy.

I never fully elaborated, I have also shot moving targets at near that range too. I have pictures (I'll PM them if needed, they're graphic) of a coyote I shot in the head with my Ar-15 at about 185yds. It wasn't stationary, it was walking with a calm gate. This shot was off hand too, I wasn't prone. I was also in my underwear if that makes any difference.

Also prone is a legitimate combat position, the military pounds it into our soldiers heads for a reason.

Its not a legitimate position when your surrounded by enemies who will do what they can to surround you and grab you, you have to remain constantly on the move. And congratulations on the shot, I'm not saying you cant shoot a moving target at that distance, im saying you cant calmly shoot 20 of them running toward you at that distance, or 100 of them shuffling towards you, around you, so your better off running.

Like I've said 100 times though, if your on the roof of your stronghold and theres one straggler just hanging out in the distance, I'd be the first one to go prone and pick that bastard off.

So, what vehicles do you plan on using when the dead come-a-shuffling?

I'm thinking an old-fashioned bin lorry (garbage truck) mainly. Very strong, low centre of gravity (for its size), designed for stop-start travel as well as distance driving, plenty of space for storage. In the back I'd have mountain bikes for scouting and for emergencies calling for the abandonment of the truck.

I can't remember the model truck my buddies dad has, but its a nice pickup truck with a sturdy bed. I actually like the mountain bike idea, usually we thought of using motorcycles for scouting and quick movement but the ability to have the bikes in the back of the truck is a great idea.

You should never get surrounded by zombies, so "zombies getting you from behind while you're prone" is a terrible argument against it. And I don't think anyone here is suggesting to go prone while 50 zombies are headed your way from 150 yds. If there are 10 zombies, 100 yds away and shambling toward you with a lurching gate (so a reasonably fast speed), and you're fairly tired (you're getting ready to set up a shelter), would you go prone and pick them off, or would you keep running until you found a safe place? If you say "I'd let them get closer and then kill them" you're retarded and won't last long enough that we'd have to worry about you anyway.

You should never get surrounded by zombies, so "zombies getting you from behind while you're prone" is a terrible argument against it. And I don't think anyone here is suggesting to go prone while 50 zombies are headed your way from 150 yds. If there are 10 zombies, 100 yds away and shambling toward you with a lurching gate (so a reasonably fast speed), and you're fairly tired (you're getting ready to set up a shelter), would you go prone and pick them off, or would you keep running until you found a safe place? If you say "I'd let them get closer and then kill them" you're retarded and won't last long enough that we'd have to worry about you anyway.

Im going to say this as nicely as possible, can you not be stupid and ignore my other posts?

I wouldn't be setting up a shelter because this situation would be when im getting supplies for my shelter thats probably reasonably far away.

You would be surrounded if your in a city, you don't know what buildings have a few of the bastards in them, this isnt a stupid video game where the enemies are always ahead of you. Your going through a city trying to hit a few stores, your not clearing every building on the way. You shoot a gun at all, they start pouring from every building around you.

God damn i sound like a broken record because people cant read at least a few posts to understand what someones trying to say.

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 04, 2010, 11:49:28 AM

You should never get surrounded by zombies, so "zombies getting you from behind while you're prone" is a terrible argument against it. And I don't think anyone here is suggesting to go prone while 50 zombies are headed your way from 150 yds. If there are 10 zombies, 100 yds away and shambling toward you with a lurching gate (so a reasonably fast speed), and you're fairly tired (you're getting ready to set up a shelter), would you go prone and pick them off, or would you keep running until you found a safe place? If you say "I'd let them get closer and then kill them" you're retarded and won't last long enough that we'd have to worry about you anyway.

Im going to say this as nicely as possible, can you not be stupid and ignore my other posts?

I wouldn't be setting up a shelter because this situation would be when im getting supplies for my shelter thats probably reasonably far away.

You would be surrounded if your in a city, you don't know what buildings have a few of the bastards in them, this isnt a stupid video game where the enemies are always ahead of you. Your going through a city trying to hit a few stores, your not clearing every building on the way. You shoot a gun at all, they start pouring from every building around you.

God damn i sound like a broken record because people cant read at least a few posts to understand what someones trying to say.

So you intend to go into built-up areas, far from your base, using loud-ass guns (not even a damn crossbow or something, so you would be quieter, do more damage per bolt on average and be able to make ammunition on the spot if you have a pen knife and some wood), not clear a path, presumably be away from your vehicle, and you're going to fucking confront them? You're right to be ignored, all your sage wisdom will do is kill anyone gullible enough to take it to heart, yourself included.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 04, 2010, 12:40:57 PM

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 04, 2010, 11:49:28 AM

You should never get surrounded by zombies, so "zombies getting you from behind while you're prone" is a terrible argument against it. And I don't think anyone here is suggesting to go prone while 50 zombies are headed your way from 150 yds. If there are 10 zombies, 100 yds away and shambling toward you with a lurching gate (so a reasonably fast speed), and you're fairly tired (you're getting ready to set up a shelter), would you go prone and pick them off, or would you keep running until you found a safe place? If you say "I'd let them get closer and then kill them" you're retarded and won't last long enough that we'd have to worry about you anyway.

Im going to say this as nicely as possible, can you not be stupid and ignore my other posts?

I wouldn't be setting up a shelter because this situation would be when im getting supplies for my shelter thats probably reasonably far away.

You would be surrounded if your in a city, you don't know what buildings have a few of the bastards in them, this isnt a stupid video game where the enemies are always ahead of you. Your going through a city trying to hit a few stores, your not clearing every building on the way. You shoot a gun at all, they start pouring from every building around you.

God damn i sound like a broken record because people cant read at least a few posts to understand what someones trying to say.

So you intend to go into built-up areas, far from your base, using loud-ass guns (not even a damn crossbow or something, so you would be quieter, do more damage per bolt on average and be able to make ammunition on the spot if you have a pen knife and some wood), not clear a path, presumably be away from your vehicle, and you're going to fucking confront them? You're right to be ignored, all your sage wisdom will do is kill anyone gullible enough to take it to heart, yourself included.

This is kind of what I was getting at. If you're giving the zombies a fair chance, you're doing it wrong. The goal is not put yourself in a situation where you can get surrounded in the first place.

Also I like the crossbow idea, I wouldn't want one as a substitute for a gun. However it's characteristics could make it quite useful in more specialized situations. Maybe even making a gun that fires crossbow bolts using compressed air.

Quote from: General Douchebag on August 04, 2010, 03:06:34 PM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 04, 2010, 12:40:57 PM

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 04, 2010, 11:49:28 AM

You should never get surrounded by zombies, so "zombies getting you from behind while you're prone" is a terrible argument against it. And I don't think anyone here is suggesting to go prone while 50 zombies are headed your way from 150 yds. If there are 10 zombies, 100 yds away and shambling toward you with a lurching gate (so a reasonably fast speed), and you're fairly tired (you're getting ready to set up a shelter), would you go prone and pick them off, or would you keep running until you found a safe place? If you say "I'd let them get closer and then kill them" you're retarded and won't last long enough that we'd have to worry about you anyway.

Im going to say this as nicely as possible, can you not be stupid and ignore my other posts?

I wouldn't be setting up a shelter because this situation would be when im getting supplies for my shelter thats probably reasonably far away.

You would be surrounded if your in a city, you don't know what buildings have a few of the bastards in them, this isnt a stupid video game where the enemies are always ahead of you. Your going through a city trying to hit a few stores, your not clearing every building on the way. You shoot a gun at all, they start pouring from every building around you.

God damn i sound like a broken record because people cant read at least a few posts to understand what someones trying to say.

So you intend to go into built-up areas, far from your base, using loud-ass guns (not even a damn crossbow or something, so you would be quieter, do more damage per bolt on average and be able to make ammunition on the spot if you have a pen knife and some wood), not clear a path, presumably be away from your vehicle, and you're going to fucking confront them? You're right to be ignored, all your sage wisdom will do is kill anyone gullible enough to take it to heart, yourself included.

This is kind of what I was getting at. If you're giving the zombies a fair chance, you're doing it wrong. The goal is not put yourself in a situation where you can get surrounded in the first place.

Also I like the crossbow idea, I wouldn't want one as a substitute for a gun. However it's characteristics could make it quite useful in more specialized situations. Maybe even making a gun that fires crossbow bolts using compressed air.

Given how lightweight modern crossbows can be, I wouldn't be averse to simply carrying one as backup or if I need to take out a small group without alerting the greater horde.

Quote from: Anteater7171 on August 04, 2010, 06:29:00 PM

Quote from: General Douchebag on August 04, 2010, 03:06:34 PM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 04, 2010, 12:40:57 PM

Quote from: SupahLovah on August 04, 2010, 11:49:28 AM

You should never get surrounded by zombies, so "zombies getting you from behind while you're prone" is a terrible argument against it. And I don't think anyone here is suggesting to go prone while 50 zombies are headed your way from 150 yds. If there are 10 zombies, 100 yds away and shambling toward you with a lurching gate (so a reasonably fast speed), and you're fairly tired (you're getting ready to set up a shelter), would you go prone and pick them off, or would you keep running until you found a safe place? If you say "I'd let them get closer and then kill them" you're retarded and won't last long enough that we'd have to worry about you anyway.

Im going to say this as nicely as possible, can you not be stupid and ignore my other posts?

I wouldn't be setting up a shelter because this situation would be when im getting supplies for my shelter thats probably reasonably far away.

You would be surrounded if your in a city, you don't know what buildings have a few of the bastards in them, this isnt a stupid video game where the enemies are always ahead of you. Your going through a city trying to hit a few stores, your not clearing every building on the way. You shoot a gun at all, they start pouring from every building around you.

God damn i sound like a broken record because people cant read at least a few posts to understand what someones trying to say.

So you intend to go into built-up areas, far from your base, using loud-ass guns (not even a damn crossbow or something, so you would be quieter, do more damage per bolt on average and be able to make ammunition on the spot if you have a pen knife and some wood), not clear a path, presumably be away from your vehicle, and you're going to fucking confront them? You're right to be ignored, all your sage wisdom will do is kill anyone gullible enough to take it to heart, yourself included.

This is kind of what I was getting at. If you're giving the zombies a fair chance, you're doing it wrong. The goal is not put yourself in a situation where you can get surrounded in the first place.

Also I like the crossbow idea, I wouldn't want one as a substitute for a gun. However it's characteristics could make it quite useful in more specialized situations. Maybe even making a gun that fires crossbow bolts using compressed air.

Given how lightweight modern crossbows can be, I wouldn't be averse to simply carrying one as backup or if I need to take out a small group without alerting the greater horde.

That's the role I was thinking it would be good at (light, quiet, and powerful), a womens compound bow may also be fitting.

Because when your in the store collecting items a crossbow that at least takes more than 2 seconds to reload and can get at most 1 kill per bolt is going to save you? I don't plan on doing this alone either. If it was just me i would hit quieter outer laying stores. If there's a lot of us, were going to have to hit a city eventually. Drive a truck in, parked outside at least a few buddies in the truck waiting with some heavy weapons (theyre not running around), few people go in with light weapons so they can get in and out after raiding a few stores. And boom your on your way back with nothing weighing you down..

This got really boring because of how random you guys are with your points, first you state that your going to have a good 200 yards to pick off as many guys as you want, then you comment your going to bring a 1 shot weapon to try to raid a store. Cool you shoot 1, another comes behind you and hey you cant do anything to him without getting close.

Have fun with your being Prone in populated areas and crossbows when trying to take out a moderate number of targets quickly and get out.

Because when your in the store collecting items a crossbow that at least takes more than 2 seconds to reload and can get at most 1 kill per bolt is going to save you? I don't plan on doing this alone either. If it was just me i would hit quieter outer laying stores. If there's a lot of us, were going to have to hit a city eventually. Drive a truck in, parked outside at least a few buddies in the truck waiting with some heavy weapons (theyre not running around), few people go in with light weapons so they can get in and out after raiding a few stores. And boom your on your way back with nothing weighing you down..

This got really boring because of how random you guys are with your points, first you state that your going to have a good 200 yards to pick off as many guys as you want, then you comment your going to bring a 1 shot weapon to try to raid a store. Cool you shoot 1, another comes behind you and hey you cant do anything to him without getting close.

Have fun with your being Prone in populated areas and crossbows when trying to take out a moderate number of targets quickly and get out.

You think you're going to take out any number of them with a weapon that alerts every other zombie in a mile radius? You expect a bullet to take out more than one zombie?

If you're planning to raid a built-up area you're not going to have 200 yards. Tactics need to change depending on the situation. Also, semi-automatics crossbows are in use.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 04, 2010, 08:53:14 PM

Because when your in the store collecting items a crossbow that at least takes more than 2 seconds to reload and can get at most 1 kill per bolt is going to save you? I don't plan on doing this alone either. If it was just me i would hit quieter outer laying stores. If there's a lot of us, were going to have to hit a city eventually. Drive a truck in, parked outside at least a few buddies in the truck waiting with some heavy weapons (theyre not running around), few people go in with light weapons so they can get in and out after raiding a few stores. And boom your on your way back with nothing weighing you down..

This got really boring because of how random you guys are with your points, first you state that your going to have a good 200 yards to pick off as many guys as you want, then you comment your going to bring a 1 shot weapon to try to raid a store. Cool you shoot 1, another comes behind you and hey you cant do anything to him without getting close.

Have fun with your being Prone in populated areas and crossbows when trying to take out a moderate number of targets quickly and get out.

You think you're going to take out any number of them with a weapon that alerts every other zombie in a mile radius? You expect a bullet to take out more than one zombie?

If you're planning to raid a built-up area you're not going to have 200 yards. Tactics need to change depending on the situation. Also, semi-automatics crossbows are in use.

Thats kind of the point of doing things quickly, which has been my point the entire time, everyone else has been saying the contrary <.<, and a pistol magazine is much smaller and plentiful.

I tried looking up a semi-automatic crossbow but it seems pretty impossible without personally pulling the the loader back yourself, which does take an amount of time. I think I found something but it still requires you cock the crossbow, which defeats the purpose of taking down every target in the store quickly.

And all of the "zombie theorists" say that zombies mainly operate on smell because of their lacking eye sight and decent hearing, so either way theyre going to start swarming to you. So good luck with a stealth weapon when you have bloodhounds on you . Being quiet is nice, but I'd rather be as quick and efficient as possible, not trying to tip toe through glass with an unnecessary weapon for a supply raid.

Quote from: General Douchebag on August 05, 2010, 05:01:32 AM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 04, 2010, 08:53:14 PM

Because when your in the store collecting items a crossbow that at least takes more than 2 seconds to reload and can get at most 1 kill per bolt is going to save you? I don't plan on doing this alone either. If it was just me i would hit quieter outer laying stores. If there's a lot of us, were going to have to hit a city eventually. Drive a truck in, parked outside at least a few buddies in the truck waiting with some heavy weapons (theyre not running around), few people go in with light weapons so they can get in and out after raiding a few stores. And boom your on your way back with nothing weighing you down..

This got really boring because of how random you guys are with your points, first you state that your going to have a good 200 yards to pick off as many guys as you want, then you comment your going to bring a 1 shot weapon to try to raid a store. Cool you shoot 1, another comes behind you and hey you cant do anything to him without getting close.

Have fun with your being Prone in populated areas and crossbows when trying to take out a moderate number of targets quickly and get out.

You think you're going to take out any number of them with a weapon that alerts every other zombie in a mile radius? You expect a bullet to take out more than one zombie?

If you're planning to raid a built-up area you're not going to have 200 yards. Tactics need to change depending on the situation. Also, semi-automatics crossbows are in use.

Thats kind of the point of doing things quickly, which has been my point the entire time, everyone else has been saying the contrary <.<, and a pistol magazine is much smaller and plentiful.

I tried looking up a semi-automatic crossbow but it seems pretty impossible without personally pulling the the loader back yourself, which does take an amount of time. I think I found something but it still requires you cock the crossbow, which defeats the purpose of taking down every target in the store quickly.

And all of the "zombie theorists" say that zombies mainly operate on smell because of their lacking eye sight and decent hearing, so either way theyre going to start swarming to you. So good luck with a stealth weapon when you have bloodhounds on you . Being quiet is nice, but I'd rather be as quick and efficient as possible, not trying to tip toe through glass with an unnecessary weapon for a supply raid.

I already dealt with that. Pet zombie to use them to make you stink like zombies.

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 05, 2010, 07:23:43 AM

Quote from: General Douchebag on August 05, 2010, 05:01:32 AM

Quote from: AdmiralAckbar on August 04, 2010, 08:53:14 PM

Because when your in the store collecting items a crossbow that at least takes more than 2 seconds to reload and can get at most 1 kill per bolt is going to save you? I don't plan on doing this alone either. If it was just me i would hit quieter outer laying stores. If there's a lot of us, were going to have to hit a city eventually. Drive a truck in, parked outside at least a few buddies in the truck waiting with some heavy weapons (theyre not running around), few people go in with light weapons so they can get in and out after raiding a few stores. And boom your on your way back with nothing weighing you down..

This got really boring because of how random you guys are with your points, first you state that your going to have a good 200 yards to pick off as many guys as you want, then you comment your going to bring a 1 shot weapon to try to raid a store. Cool you shoot 1, another comes behind you and hey you cant do anything to him without getting close.

Have fun with your being Prone in populated areas and crossbows when trying to take out a moderate number of targets quickly and get out.

You think you're going to take out any number of them with a weapon that alerts every other zombie in a mile radius? You expect a bullet to take out more than one zombie?

If you're planning to raid a built-up area you're not going to have 200 yards. Tactics need to change depending on the situation. Also, semi-automatics crossbows are in use.

Thats kind of the point of doing things quickly, which has been my point the entire time, everyone else has been saying the contrary <.<, and a pistol magazine is much smaller and plentiful.

I tried looking up a semi-automatic crossbow but it seems pretty impossible without personally pulling the the loader back yourself, which does take an amount of time. I think I found something but it still requires you cock the crossbow, which defeats the purpose of taking down every target in the store quickly.

And all of the "zombie theorists" say that zombies mainly operate on smell because of their lacking eye sight and decent hearing, so either way theyre going to start swarming to you. So good luck with a stealth weapon when you have bloodhounds on you . Being quiet is nice, but I'd rather be as quick and efficient as possible, not trying to tip toe through glass with an unnecessary weapon for a supply raid.

I already dealt with that. Pet zombie to use them to make you stink like zombies.

I was actually thinking about that, but if zombies eat humans, in order to pee they need to eat, so therefore your bathing in the urine of the remains of your neighbor, your ex-girlfriend, and that bitchy bus driver of yours?