Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #390 on: May 03, 2008, 06:23:58 PM »
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #391 on: May 03, 2008, 06:24:28 PM »
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Inside the box it does, but he doesn't understand Quantum Physics.

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #392 on: May 03, 2008, 06:24:36 PM »


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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #393 on: May 03, 2008, 06:25:16 PM »
Narcberry, don't change the subject.  >:(

While it can be proven that at some time in the past, at least, the earth was flat, due to quantum mechanics, that argument has no place in this thread.

The sad thing is that our scatological friend was so close to mind blowing discovery and is now trudging away from the light (relatively)...
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #394 on: May 03, 2008, 06:25:31 PM »
Inside the box it does, but he doesn't understand Quantum Physics.

Or Special Relativity.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #395 on: May 03, 2008, 06:26:02 PM »
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here, have a Lorentz...
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #396 on: May 03, 2008, 06:26:20 PM »
The suspense is killing me. I can't wait till he realizes how wrong he is.

...so much for suspense, amirite?

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #397 on: May 03, 2008, 06:28:59 PM »
Newton's law of Special Relativity
This was pure gold!!


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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #398 on: May 03, 2008, 06:29:43 PM »
Newton's law of Special Relativity
This was pure gold!!

YES! Poo, start there. Now think what would happen inside a box...

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #399 on: May 03, 2008, 06:30:15 PM »
Newton's law of Special Relativity
This was pure gold!!

ROFL. I don't think there is any hope for him now.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #400 on: May 03, 2008, 06:31:15 PM »
I am aware that it does not take time into account.




sigh.



I am aware of the effects of time dilation as velocity increases.

And I am aware that this time dilation would only be visible by an independent observer outside of the system, or vice versa.

But would it still not require an infinite energy, presuming that the energy utilised was inside the system of the accelerating earth?
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #401 on: May 03, 2008, 06:32:18 PM »
Oh dear, I didn't say Newton's law of special relativity did i?

I meant Einstein.

I understand it perfectly well.

cut me some slack anyway, I'm a 15 year old boy.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #402 on: May 03, 2008, 06:33:46 PM »
I am aware that it does not take time into account.
What does not?

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I am aware of the effects of time dilation as velocity increases.
That's nice.

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And I am aware that this time dilation would only be visible by an independent observer outside of the system, or vice versa.
Again: that's nice.

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But would it still not require an infinite energy, presuming that the energy utilised was inside the system of the accelerating earth?
Yes it would. 


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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #403 on: May 03, 2008, 06:35:41 PM »
cut me some slack anyway, I'm a 15 year old boy.
That would explain why you have no idea what you are talking about.


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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #404 on: May 03, 2008, 06:36:35 PM »
I understand it perfectly well.

cut me some slack anyway, I'm a 15 year old boy.

It would be easier to cut you some slack if you didn't enter a forum claiming superior knowledge and understanding while dismissing those who disagree with you. It's also much harder when after all this you demonstrate that your opposition has a better grasp of the subject material than you do.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #405 on: May 03, 2008, 06:38:20 PM »
I understand it perfectly well.

cut me some slack anyway, I'm a 15 year old boy.

It would be easier to cut you some slack if you didn't enter a forum claiming superior knowledge and understanding while dismissing those who disagree with you. It's also much harder when after all this you demonstrate that your opposition has a better grasp of the subject material than you do.

Well, you do deny most observable evidence and swear by a series of complex conspiracy theories with no evidence rooted in reality.

I'd say that does constitute some stupidity.

A shitload of stupidity.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #406 on: May 03, 2008, 06:38:57 PM »
cut me some slack anyway, I'm a 15 year old boy.
That would explain why you have no idea what you are talking about.


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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #407 on: May 03, 2008, 06:39:51 PM »
It would be easier to cut you some slack if you didn't enter a forum claiming superior knowledge and understanding while dismissing those who disagree with you. It's also much harder when after all this you demonstrate that your opposition has a better grasp of the subject material than you do.

Well, you do deny most observable evidence and swear by a series of complex conspiracy theories with no evidence rooted in reality.

I'd say that does constitute some stupidity.

A shitload of stupidity.
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You carefully sidestepped any questions i raised and simply dismissed any studies and evidence aws "flawed" or ignored them completely.

Isn't this exactly what you've done? Dismissing ideas before you even understand the premise behind them?
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #408 on: May 03, 2008, 06:40:07 PM »
I understand it perfectly well.

cut me some slack anyway, I'm a 15 year old boy.

It would be easier to cut you some slack if you didn't enter a forum claiming superior knowledge and understanding while dismissing those who disagree with you. It's also much harder when after all this you demonstrate that your opposition has a better grasp of the subject material than you do.

Well, you do deny most observable evidence and swear by a series of complex conspiracy theories with no evidence rooted in reality.

I'd say that does constitute some stupidity.

A shitload of stupidity.


We've humored you long enough, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #409 on: May 03, 2008, 06:45:26 PM »
Ah I was leaving anyway, narcberry.

I admit my incorrectness regarding the acceleration of a flat earth, but the broader picture remains.

You sordid Flat Earth advocates base your entire hypothesis upon random speculation

2000 mph jet streams, an infinite source of dark energy, massive global conspiracies this entire operation is a farce.

You're all pathetic, every one of you, for clinging to the battered remnants of an obsolete text by a foolish zealot.

You spit in the face of science and wonder why the world does not accept your theories.

Ice walls? Fuck off.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #410 on: May 03, 2008, 06:50:25 PM »
Spoken like a true 15 year old from Liverpool. You didn't even ask for the proper equation to learn why you were wrong. No apology for calling every one else dim. You just assume right away everyone else is not as bright as you.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #411 on: May 03, 2008, 06:50:56 PM »
an infinite source of dark energy

Didn't we just demonstrate that this is neither possible nor necessary?
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #412 on: May 03, 2008, 06:52:38 PM »
an infinite source of dark energy

Didn't we just demonstrate that this is neither possible nor necessary?

Listen, he understands all this perfectly well. He said so...
Besides he's only 15. It's ok to call everyone an idiot even if you don't understand the subject matter when you're that age.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #413 on: May 03, 2008, 06:59:33 PM »
The best part is that none of us believe in a flat Earth.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #414 on: May 03, 2008, 07:03:51 PM »
The best part is that none of us believe in a flat Earth.

I do

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #415 on: May 04, 2008, 04:03:40 PM »
As do I.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #416 on: May 05, 2008, 08:58:28 AM »
Me too.


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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #417 on: August 10, 2008, 05:56:20 PM »
Hello.

I recently encountered this web site on my wanderings about the internet, and needless to say am a bit curious about the entire premise of this site. Being a physics major about to enter another year of study, I was naturally drawn to this particular discussion.

This is a VERY long thread, and I read the first few pages (quite a bit), but then skipped to the end and read the last few to see where things stand. Even if I were to grant the Lorentz-based equations that were provided at the beginning of this thread were correct (I will have advanced far enough in math to check them myself by this winter), and accept that even though from an inertial frame of reference the Earth appears to have an exponentially decreasing acceleration that the Earth itself would still feel a constant acceleration, there is still a glaring question that comes to mind:

Where is the energy coming from?

As pointed out much earlier, getting to light speed from ANY frame of reference would require infinite time (good for the acceleration argument for Earth's gravity), but it also requires an infinite amount of energy.

In the real world, objects do not simply accelerate for no reason. Objects accelerate when they have a force exerted on them. The application of a force, any force, no matter the origin, on any given object for any period of time constitutes a transfer of energy. If an object is accelerating, then some kind of energy is being transformed into kinetic energy in the object.

So, granting any mechanism you want for the acceleration of not just the Earth-disk but also every observable celestial object, be it futuristic warp fields, giant rockets on the underside of the Earth-disk, or maybe just those turtles underneath there just running really fast (on what I can't imagine), there still remains the problem of the source of this enormous amount of energy.

Even though I didn't read it directly, I did see posts referencing Dark/Zero-point energy as a potential source. If someone could provide an explanation on how this energy is converted oh-so-conveniently into our forward motion, or point me to the post where this is stated, I would appreciate it.

Aside from the mechanism of transfer of energy, and why it is conveniently transferring it at just the right rate for a reasonable simulated-gravitational field for humans and the rest on life on this planet to live and evolve in, I would like to point out that most evidence points towards zero-point energy being vanishingly small, much too small to extract any useful work on the macro, or even the micro scale. You can read more in this Scientific American article here:

http://www.padrak.com/ine/ZPESCIAM.html

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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #418 on: August 10, 2008, 06:58:18 PM »
the Earth appears to have an exponentially decreasing acceleration

Don't use the word "exponential" where it does not apply. Admittedly, it may well apply here, though I suspect that it does not.

The energy source is as unknown as that of the "Dark Energy" accelerating the expansion of the Universe in RET. Also, perhaps we evolved to suit this particular rate of acceleration, and not the other way around.
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Re: Fe gravity as it relates to the speed of light
« Reply #419 on: August 10, 2008, 09:02:46 PM »
The mechanism that causes the acceleration is unknown. 

It just happens to be 9.8m/s^2 because otherwise we would not be around to notice the difference.


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