Melanin Theory

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2010, 10:22:34 AM »
..and as ive said before
even an albino has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to test nature.

they (whites) want to call it a tan...when they cant even produce this substance...this is why they are dying

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2010, 10:25:32 AM »
nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing

theres ALWAYS going to be a sun

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2010, 10:30:57 AM »
According to your theory aren't whites central nervous systems not supposed to work? Because mine works just fine and I assure you I am not dying and probably am much more intelligent than you...
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2010, 10:54:18 AM »
the space shuttle is coated with a synthetic type melanin...dont look for the words MELANIN because ur not goin to find it...when u break the body down there is no such substance. just C=C (carbon to carbon) rings...without this substance coated on th underside od=f the shuttle it WOULD overheat

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html

and no...i dont think nature would code for hair texture color or type OVER protection from the elements

my point is that no matter WHERE you are...there is always a sun...melanoma rates are highest in latitudes of low sunlight...explain this
this theory about vitD is worthless to those w/ deep pigment...no matter where they are because nature STILL wouldnt put melanoma over VitD...ppl are DYING from melanoma
 
how is melanin unnatural???

Vitamin D causes a negative feedback loop with melanin. If melanin was so beneficial why would people who migrated north lose their melanin? The answer, we need some exposure to the sun. Melanin is actually a completely detrimental substance that is only produced when we, stupidly, expose ourselves to far too much sun. Obviously melanin became much more common in those dumb enough to expose themselves to far too much sun. These people then developed a theory about how it gives them "mystical powers."

There is no "synthetic melanin" on the space shuttle, you are simply puffing the reefer. Funny enough there is a direct correlation between amount of melanin and drug abuse. Throughout history those who have claimed mystical powers have used drugs to go into trances. Perhaps you simply have a drug problem.

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« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2010, 10:56:25 AM »
Drugs are bad mmmk
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2010, 10:57:41 AM »
nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing

theres ALWAYS going to be a sun

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It is estimated that 68,130 men and women (38,870 men and 29,260 women) will be diagnosed with and 8,700 men and women will die of melanoma of the skin in 2010.  Approximately 0.8% were diagnosed under age 20; 7.5% between 20 and 34; 11.8% between 35 and 44; 18.7% between 45 and 54; 20.4% between 55 and 64; 17.8% between 65 and 74; 17.0% between 75 and 84; and 6.0% 85+ years of age.
Source: National Cancer Institute

It seems that in the US, with a population of 300,000,000, 0.02% of its population will develop melanoma this year, and 8.3% of that population who get melanoma, are under the age of 35.  That seems like a very small fraction of the population.  Even if we claim that only whites get melanoma, they account for 80% of the US population, (source: CIA world factbook) or 240,000,000 people, that would equate to only 0.03% of the white population in the USA per year, 91.7% of whom are over the age of 35 and would not really be a relevant demographic to look at in the distant past when average life expectancy was under 30.  A child was probably more likely to die of rickets due to a combination of poor diet and vitamin d deficiency, than would die of skin cancer before they managed to reproduce.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2010, 11:19:02 AM »
dude nobody said anything about mythical powers...and if you did research you would kno that the shuttles ARE coated w/ a synthetic version of what protects the body...its black for a reason..its the carbon in black skin that allows the body to absorb electromagnetic waves all kinds...and use that energy without causing damage to the body

go do ur reasearch before u comment


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« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2010, 11:20:49 AM »
everytime I've seen someone talking about Melanin they claim to have mystic powers, psychic powers or power over the sun...
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2010, 11:22:40 AM »
nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing

theres ALWAYS going to be a sun

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It is estimated that 68,130 men and women (38,870 men and 29,260 women) will be diagnosed with and 8,700 men and women will die of melanoma of the skin in 2010.  Approximately 0.8% were diagnosed under age 20; 7.5% between 20 and 34; 11.8% between 35 and 44; 18.7% between 45 and 54; 20.4% between 55 and 64; 17.8% between 65 and 74; 17.0% between 75 and 84; and 6.0% 85+ years of age.
Source: National Cancer Institute

It seems that in the US, with a population of 300,000,000, 0.02% of its population will develop melanoma this year, and 8.3% of that population who get melanoma, are under the age of 35.  That seems like a very small fraction of the population.  Even if we claim that only whites get melanoma, they account for 80% of the US population, (source: CIA world factbook) or 240,000,000 people, that would equate to only 0.03% of the white population in the USA per year, 91.7% of whom are over the age of 35 and would not really be a relevant demographic to look at in the distant past when average life expectancy was under 30.  A child was probably more likely to die of rickets due to a combination of poor diet and vitamin d deficiency, than would die of skin cancer before they managed to reproduce.

im pretty sure the NCI is worried about rickets

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2010, 11:25:58 AM »
the space shuttle is coated with a synthetic type melanin...dont look for the words MELANIN because ur not goin to find it...when u break the body down there is no such substance. just C=C (carbon to carbon) rings...without this substance coated on th underside od=f the shuttle it WOULD overheat

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html

and no...i dont think nature would code for hair texture color or type OVER protection from the elements

my point is that no matter WHERE you are...there is always a sun...melanoma rates are highest in latitudes of low sunlight...explain this
this theory about vitD is worthless to those w/ deep pigment...no matter where they are because nature STILL wouldnt put melanoma over VitD...ppl are DYING from melanoma
 
how is melanin unnatural???
did you actually read the article? A. the carbon is not used on the underside of the shuttle. it is used on the leading edges. B. So would you define any carbon ring as melanin? would you call benzene melanin?
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2010, 11:28:52 AM »

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2010, 11:31:08 AM »
last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2010, 11:36:57 AM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2010, 11:38:42 AM »
nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing

theres ALWAYS going to be a sun

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It is estimated that 68,130 men and women (38,870 men and 29,260 women) will be diagnosed with and 8,700 men and women will die of melanoma of the skin in 2010.  Approximately 0.8% were diagnosed under age 20; 7.5% between 20 and 34; 11.8% between 35 and 44; 18.7% between 45 and 54; 20.4% between 55 and 64; 17.8% between 65 and 74; 17.0% between 75 and 84; and 6.0% 85+ years of age.
Source: National Cancer Institute

It seems that in the US, with a population of 300,000,000, 0.02% of its population will develop melanoma this year, and 8.3% of that population who get melanoma, are under the age of 35.  That seems like a very small fraction of the population.  Even if we claim that only whites get melanoma, they account for 80% of the US population, (source: CIA world factbook) or 240,000,000 people, that would equate to only 0.03% of the white population in the USA per year, 91.7% of whom are over the age of 35 and would not really be a relevant demographic to look at in the distant past when average life expectancy was under 30.  A child was probably more likely to die of rickets due to a combination of poor diet and vitamin d deficiency, than would die of skin cancer before they managed to reproduce.

im pretty sure the NCI is worried about rickets

That's what you took out of my reply?  I would like a response to the bolded portion of my post please, it is relevant, because through most of our evolutionary history, people didn't live as long as they do now.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2010, 11:43:16 AM »
last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond



That is a picture of a raw diamond, they are octahedral in shape and as you can clearly see, they are not black.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2010, 11:44:01 AM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2010, 11:46:23 AM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2010, 11:50:59 AM »
Obvious melanin troll is obvious
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2010, 12:01:59 PM »
last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond



That is a picture of a raw diamond, they are octahedral in shape and as you can clearly see, they are not black.

take a look at that CARBON matrix that white diamond is sitting on.diamonds are blue, black, brown, and white depending how and where they are formed

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2010, 12:04:10 PM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.

not the one in this photo (the link i provided).

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2010, 12:05:54 PM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.

funny why would they paint that white substance black?????

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EnigmaZV

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2010, 12:07:11 PM »
last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond



That is a picture of a raw diamond, they are octahedral in shape and as you can clearly see, they are not black.

take a look at that CARBON matrix that white diamond is sitting on.diamonds are blue, black, brown, and white depending how and where they are formed

I'm not looking at the matrix surrounding the diamond, the matrix is not the diamond, and the fact that you distinguished between the diamond and the surrounding material shows you know this as well.

Also, they don't paint the tiles, they are ceramic coated.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2010, 12:10:09 PM »
You can't outrun death forever
But you can sure make the old bastard work for it.

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muur

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2010, 12:14:57 PM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.

funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from
"Since carbon is a good thermal conductor, the adjacent aluminum and the metallic attachments must be protected from exceeding temperature limits by internal insulation."...directly from this article...
why would they pain the bottom of the shuttles black ?

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« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2010, 12:18:33 PM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.

funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from

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The HRSI  tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.

These HRSI tiles are the ones that are found mostly on the bottom side of the shuttle, except for the nose and leading edge of the wing.  I don't see any mention of carbon in the maufacture of these tiles, and nowhere anywhere in that article is anything painted.

I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2010, 12:22:44 PM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.

funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from

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The HRSI  tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.

These HRSI tiles are the ones that are found mostly on the bottom side of the shuttle, except for the nose and leading edge of the wing.  I don't see any mention of carbon in the maufacture of these tiles, and nowhere anywhere in that article is anything painted.


the article mentions carbon-carbon bonds and if you looked at the shuttle...the underside is black

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« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2010, 12:25:26 PM »

http://www.nachohat.org/gallery/rockets_buran_space_shuttle/buran_space_shuttle_04

heres a pic of a russian shuttle...the underside is made of carbon tiles

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« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2010, 12:27:08 PM »
http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG

looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?

Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.

funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from

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The HRSI  tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.

These HRSI tiles are the ones that are found mostly on the bottom side of the shuttle, except for the nose and leading edge of the wing.  I don't see any mention of carbon in the maufacture of these tiles, and nowhere anywhere in that article is anything painted.


@EnigmaZV
thanks should have done that myself.
@murr.  read the bold. it is black not because of the carbon.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2010, 12:28:27 PM »
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1. Reinforced carbon-carbon is used on the wing leading edges; the nose cap, including an area immediately aft  of the nose cap on the lower surface (chine panel); and the immediate area around the forward orbiter/external tank structural attachment. RCC protects areas where temperatures exceed 2,300 F during entry.

2. Black high-temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) tiles are used in areas on the upper forward fuselage, including around the forward fuselage windows; the entire underside of the vehicle where RCC is not used; portions of the orbital maneuvering system and reaction control system pods; the leading and trailing edges of the vertical stabilizer; wing glove areas; elevon trailing edges; adjacent to the RCC on the upper wing surface; the base heat shield; the interface with wing leading edge RCC; and the upper body flap surface. The HRSI tiles protect areas where temperatures are below 2,300 F. These tiles have a black surface coating necessary for entry emittance.

So it looks like the RCC is used on the nose and leading edge of the wing, like I said, and silica tiles coated in silicon cover the rest of the underside of the shuttle, I'm glad we got that cleared up.
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Re: Melanin Theory
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2010, 12:31:01 PM »
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1. Reinforced carbon-carbon is used on the wing leading edges; the nose cap, including an area immediately aft  of the nose cap on the lower surface (chine panel); and the immediate area around the forward orbiter/external tank structural attachment. RCC protects areas where temperatures exceed 2,300 F during entry.

2. Black high-temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) tiles are used in areas on the upper forward fuselage, including around the forward fuselage windows; the entire underside of the vehicle where RCC is not used; portions of the orbital maneuvering system and reaction control system pods; the leading and trailing edges of the vertical stabilizer; wing glove areas; elevon trailing edges; adjacent to the RCC on the upper wing surface; the base heat shield; the interface with wing leading edge RCC; and the upper body flap surface. The HRSI tiles protect areas where temperatures are below 2,300 F. These tiles have a black surface coating necessary for entry emittance.

So it looks like the RCC is used on the nose and leading edge of the wing, like I said, and silica tiles coated in silicon cover the rest of the underside of the shuttle, I'm glad we got that cleared up.
obviously not...that article is from 1988