Conspiracy guards??

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment.  But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

WHAT?!?!?!

Basic equipment?!

I'm sorry, but to keep a 'Giant 150 FT high ice wall' would take hundreds of thousands of men, corruption level would be in the thousands, that there is proof alone that your theory is wrong, but im not finished yet...

NASA is not an evil demon, they are %90 funded by the government and %5 public the rest of the %5 is sponsors. If they had all that money and spent it without proof, the plug would be pulled and they would be arrested and sent to a court without jury.

Another thing Saying 'Every photo that IS evidence is a conspiracy' is literally saying, it exists because you cant prove it dosent, which makes you all a religion, and religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars.

Listing Religion mass deaths:

Holocaust
WW:I
WW:II
Gulf War
Russia's Great wars (349 Wars in total)

These are basically a nutshell of what religion does, and as of you being in one... you cause millions of deaths, just because ou beleave in something not true.

There's something to think about. Have a nice day =D


P.S.


Wheres your photo evidence of the earth being flat?

And most of all, if the earth was flat there would not be life due to the sun always or never bringing light onto anything.
Your theory is nonsense if you say perspective takes away sunlight, because it cant, its imposable...

Yikes!  FES is now an equal opportunity mass murderer.  And I had no idea. Where has the press been hiding on this despicable conduct by flat earthers? We should all inspect our back yards for mass noob graves.

Yikes!  FES is now an equal opportunity mass murderer.  And I had no idea. Where has the press been hiding on this despicable conduct by flat earthers? We should all inspect our back yards for mass noob graves.

I found one of those graves. What do I do now? Dance on it?

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment.  But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

WHAT?!?!?!

Basic equipment?!

I'm sorry, but to keep a 'Giant 150 FT high ice wall' would take hundreds of thousands of men, corruption level would be in the thousands, that there is proof alone that your theory is wrong, but im not finished yet...

Did you even read the calculations as linked in the FAQ?

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2620.msg22714#msg22714

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment.  But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

WHAT?!?!?!

Basic equipment?!

I'm sorry, but to keep a 'Giant 150 FT high ice wall' would take hundreds of thousands of men, corruption level would be in the thousands, that there is proof alone that your theory is wrong, but im not finished yet...

Automated cameras, motion detectors, bombs, and guns.

NASA is not an evil demon, they are %90 funded by the government and %5 public the rest of the %5 is sponsors. If they had all that money and spent it without proof, the plug would be pulled and they would be arrested and sent to a court without jury.

They constantly are asked where their money goes and again and again they don't or "can't" say.  So ignoring whether there is a conspiracy or not, it would seem your assertion is wrong.

Another thing Saying 'Every photo that IS evidence is a conspiracy' is literally saying, it exists because you cant prove it dosent, which makes you all a religion, and religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars.

Are you really trying to say that religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars?  Thats a pretty ridiculous statement.

Quote from: Beafy on August 07, 2009, 08:16:17 AM

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment.  But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

WHAT?!?!?!

Basic equipment?!

I'm sorry, but to keep a 'Giant 150 FT high ice wall' would take hundreds of thousands of men, corruption level would be in the thousands, that there is proof alone that your theory is wrong, but im not finished yet...

Automated cameras, motion detectors, bombs, and guns.

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NASA is not an evil demon, they are %90 funded by the government and %5 public the rest of the %5 is sponsors. If they had all that money and spent it without proof, the plug would be pulled and they would be arrested and sent to a court without jury.

They constantly are asked where their money goes and again and again they don't or "can't" say.  So ignoring whether there is a conspiracy or not, it would seem your assertion is wrong.

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Another thing Saying 'Every photo that IS evidence is a conspiracy' is literally saying, it exists because you cant prove it dosent, which makes you all a religion, and religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars.

Are you really trying to say that religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars?  Thats a pretty ridiculous statement.

Would you post proof/record of NASA constantly being asked and their replies?

Quote from: John Davis on August 07, 2009, 05:48:41 PM

Quote from: Beafy on August 07, 2009, 08:16:17 AM

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment.  But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

WHAT?!?!?!

Basic equipment?!

I'm sorry, but to keep a 'Giant 150 FT high ice wall' would take hundreds of thousands of men, corruption level would be in the thousands, that there is proof alone that your theory is wrong, but im not finished yet...

Automated cameras, motion detectors, bombs, and guns.

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NASA is not an evil demon, they are %90 funded by the government and %5 public the rest of the %5 is sponsors. If they had all that money and spent it without proof, the plug would be pulled and they would be arrested and sent to a court without jury.

They constantly are asked where their money goes and again and again they don't or "can't" say.  So ignoring whether there is a conspiracy or not, it would seem your assertion is wrong.

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Another thing Saying 'Every photo that IS evidence is a conspiracy' is literally saying, it exists because you cant prove it dosent, which makes you all a religion, and religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars.

Are you really trying to say that religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars?  Thats a pretty ridiculous statement.

Would you post proof/record of NASA constantly being asked and their replies?

Well, just for starters, they didn't report details on their budget and spendings as required for 4 years in a row - 2002 to 2006.

Did you even read the calculations as linked in the FAQ?

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2620.msg22714#msg22714

These calculations aren't realistic. He assumes that there is one man per 30 mile and that he does 24 hour and 365 days at year constant surveillance without eating, taking shit and sleeping. There must at least be 3 men per post and that makes 2608*3=7824 men. And there is such thing as diversion. Put some bait in couple places in both side of one post and voila! You have nice hole in your ice wall guard where there isn't any guard anymore.

Quote from: Jack on August 07, 2009, 05:25:34 PM

Did you even read the calculations as linked in the FAQ?

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2620.msg22714#msg22714

These calculations aren't realistic. He assumes that there is one man per 30 mile and that he does 24 hour and 365 days at year constant surveillance without eating, taking shit and sleeping. There must at least be 3 men per post and that makes 2608*3=7824 men. And there is such thing as diversion. Put some bait in couple places in both side of one post and voila! You have nice hole in your ice wall guard where there isn't any guard anymore.

I'm fairly certain you could automate the entire process and just hire maintenance.

I'm fairly certain you could automate the entire process and just hire maintenance.

Building automatic surveillance in style "shoot everything at sight" on some 80 000 km distance is going to cost one hell sum of money. And then doing maintenance on it... It's much more than your NASA's years budget. And building process surely can't be hidden from prying eyes. There is 100% probability that someone sees it.

Honestly, look at vehicles like the Global Hawk. That's what we know they have- history teaches us that the U.S. airforce usually has much more sophisticated technology in operation than the stuff that's officially acknowledged. That vehicle already has impressive capabilities- imagine what the cutting edge stuff is like?


EDIT: Typo.

Quote from: John Davis on August 08, 2009, 02:06:55 AM

I'm fairly certain you could automate the entire process and just hire maintenance.

Building automatic surveillance in style "shoot everything at sight" on some 80 000 km distance is going to cost one hell sum of money. And then doing maintenance on it... It's much more than your NASA's years budget. And building process surely can't be hidden from prying eyes. There is 100% probability that someone sees it.

I really don't think it would cost as much as you think it would.  Heck, if one were to believe you REers, we could just set up a satellite and to monitor the area and deal with it on a case by case basis.

On the other hand, I don't see why they would bother guarding it at all.  But thats me.

Honestly, look at vehicles like the Global Hawk. That's what we know they have- history teaches us that the U.S. airforce usually has much more sophisticated technology in operation than the stuff that's officially acknowledged. That vehicle already has impressive capabilities- imagine what the cutting edge stuff is like?

  It's only for surveillance. And there must be landing and refueling sites and backup for planes which are landing for maintenance and refueling. I don't know how much area they can survey at any moment but if we take very good estimate and get 1000km rim per plane then there must be some 80 planes circling the rim at any moment of day. Surely anyone wouldn't notice that.
 And it's only one part of system. There must be another part of system which reacts to threats. So it get's only more expensive and larger. Imagine only what the cutting edge stuff costs...

I really don't think it would cost as much as you think it would.

And I really think that it costs much more than you think it would.

And I really think that it costs much more than you think it would.

Well, when you have projects that are made specifically on the cheap that would fit most the criteria its hard to agree.  A combination of a series of field ready ROBART like designs, perhaps outfitted for fast movement, and some UAV would be a particularly cheap solution.

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

Well, when you have projects that are made specifically on the cheap that would fit most the criteria its hard to agree.  A combination of a series of field ready ROBART like designs, perhaps outfitted for fast movement, and some UAV would be a particularly cheap solution.

Some countries are using these kind of systems in their border-defense?

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 04:42:56 AM

Well, when you have projects that are made specifically on the cheap that would fit most the criteria its hard to agree.  A combination of a series of field ready ROBART like designs, perhaps outfitted for fast movement, and some UAV would be a particularly cheap solution.

Some countries are using these kind of systems in their border-defense?

Yup.  The USA for one:

U.S. Customs and Border Protection Selects the ?Predator B? as Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Platform to Guard our Nations Borders
UAV technology will further strengthen border coverage in rugged, desolate border areas

Yup.  The USA for one:

Quote from: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/archives/2005_press_releases/082005/08302005.xml

U.S. Customs and Border Protection Selects the ?Predator B? as Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Platform to Guard our Nations Borders
UAV technology will further strengthen border coverage in rugged, desolate border areas

Nice. But as it's only addition and the border guarding isn't yet exactly cheap activity then if there is need to guard ice wall it's budget would be far greater than USA border guard budget.

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

What if someone were to fall off the edge?

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 04:42:56 AM

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

What if someone were to fall off the edge?

Then it's very unlikely that their body would ever be found.

Quote from: Abysmal on August 09, 2009, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 04:42:56 AM

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

What if someone were to fall off the edge?

Then it's very unlikely that their body would ever be found.

So guards aren't that necessary after all?

Quote from: markjo on August 09, 2009, 12:01:00 PM

Quote from: Abysmal on August 09, 2009, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 04:42:56 AM

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

What if someone were to fall off the edge?

Then it's very unlikely that their body would ever be found.

So guards aren't that necessary after all?

If someone is stupid enough to fall off the edge of the earth, then I don't think that the guards would be much help.

Quote from: Abysmal on August 09, 2009, 12:05:20 PM

Quote from: markjo on August 09, 2009, 12:01:00 PM

Quote from: Abysmal on August 09, 2009, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 04:42:56 AM

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

What if someone were to fall off the edge?

Then it's very unlikely that their body would ever be found.

So guards aren't that necessary after all?

If someone is stupid enough to fall off the edge of the earth, then I don't think that the guards would be much help.

If they start killing the search parties they'll definitely not be much help.

Antarctica is so unforgiving, and given they can travel forever outwards and never reach anything...  Add in that no one really goes there due to the treaty.

Antarctica is so unforgiving, and given they can travel forever outwards and never reach anything...  Add in that no one really goes there due to the treaty.

Said treaty also prohibits any kind of military action on Antarctica.  So how is the ice wall guarded?

I doubt the region is actively guarded. It's very remoteness and hostile environment make that unnecessary, in my opinion.

I personally don't believe Antarctica is the 'ice wall', so there is absolutely no need for Antarctic IW guards.

Quote from: markjo on August 09, 2009, 12:01:00 PM

Quote from: Abysmal on August 09, 2009, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 04:42:56 AM

Though really there isn't a real need to guard it at all.

What if someone were to fall off the edge?

Then it's very unlikely that their body would ever be found.

So guards aren't that necessary after all?

I don't believe that guards are necessary at all.

Add in that no one really goes there due to the treaty.

How does the treaty keep people from going to Antarctica?  There's even a segment of the tourist industry that specializes in trips to the Antarctic and geographic south pole.

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall!  It would take too many men!  Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment.  But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

WHAT?!?!?!

Basic equipment?!

I'm sorry, but to keep a 'Giant 150 FT high ice wall' would take hundreds of thousands of men, corruption level would be in the thousands, that there is proof alone that your theory is wrong, but im not finished yet...

The ice wall need not be guarded.

NASA is not an evil demon, they are %90 funded by the government and %5 public the rest of the %5 is sponsors. If they had all that money and spent it without proof, the plug would be pulled and they would be arrested and sent to a court without jury.

Oh, they produce "proof" alright. 

Another thing Saying 'Every photo that IS evidence is a conspiracy' is literally saying, it exists because you cant prove it dosent, which makes you all a religion, and religions are the only things that cause mass murder and wars.

Actually, this is not the case. FErs have all different religions and many are atheists.

Listing Religion mass deaths:

Holocaust
WW:I
WW:II
Gulf War
Russia's Great wars (349 Wars in total)

These are basically a nutshell of what religion does, and as of you being in one... you cause millions of deaths, just because ou beleave in something not true.

I didn't realize recognizing the TRUTH, that the earth is flat, causes millions of people to die. How exactly is that again?

There's something to think about. Have a nice day =D

Thanks... I think...

P.S.


Wheres your photo evidence of the earth being flat?

Photo evidence can be so easily faked that it really doesn't mean a thing.

And most of all, if the earth was flat there would not be life due to the sun always or never bringing light onto anything.
Your theory is nonsense if you say perspective takes away sunlight, because it cant, its imposable...

Read the FAQ.

Quote from: John Davis on August 09, 2009, 02:59:56 PM

Add in that no one really goes there due to the treaty.

How does the treaty keep people from going to Antarctica?  There's even a segment of the tourist industry that specializes in trips to the Antarctic and geographic south pole.

I mean, theres little motive when all you can do there is science.