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Soapdish

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Camera on a balloon
« on: July 30, 2009, 01:36:54 AM »
Something of an old article, but it raises several points I'd like to address.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1162659/Students-tie-56-camera-balloon-send-edge-space-capture-stunning-images-Earth.html

First off; the balloon itself.

If the disc that is the Earth is constantly accelerating upward, how does the balloon rise upwards (or any balloon ever made, or blimps, or planes?). Bear in mind that if you're using the Earth's constant upward motion to account for the downward tendency of dropped objects, it also must be applied to balloons, planes, etc.

Secondly; range of vision.

There is a horizon that the camera captures, the 'field of vision' so to speak, and as it increases in height, more of the landscape is revealed; things originally beyond the horizon come into view, something that makes perfect sense in a round Earth, but is questionable on a flat earth.

Thirdly; curved horizon.

Why is the horizon curved? Pay careful attention to the picture, where the curve is upwards. Viewing a flat earth from a lateral perspective, as the camera is, would not be possible were the Earth flat, even as a 'disc'.

Discuss.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2009, 03:38:40 PM »
I would like to see some answers to this as well, actually, though it doesn't seem like you'll be getting any.  D:
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 03:40:45 PM »
Those pictures could be faked. You can't prove them to be the real thing.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 03:45:44 PM »
Answer his first point, then.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 04:55:42 PM »
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your post. It looks to me like the only "curve" seen in the pictures is the curved edge of the flat, circular earth.

As for the balloon, it simply rose faster than the Earth is rising.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 05:19:04 PM »
How fast, exactly, is the Earth rising?  Because I'm pretty sure some helium isn't enough to make a balloon move at super-speeds.
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Abysmal

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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2009, 06:19:18 PM »
it's rising at about 9.8 m/sec^2. It kind of acts as the FE "gravity".

have you read the FAQ?
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2009, 06:37:23 PM »
Quote from: Soapdish on July 30, 2009, 01:36:54 AM
Something of an old article, but it raises several points I'd like to address.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1162659/Students-tie-56-camera-balloon-send-edge-space-capture-stunning-images-Earth.html

First off; the balloon itself.

If the disc that is the Earth is constantly accelerating upward, how does the balloon rise upwards (or any balloon ever made, or blimps, or planes?). Bear in mind that if you're using the Earth's constant upward motion to account for the downward tendency of dropped objects, it also must be applied to balloons, planes, etc.
Equivalence principle says it is locally indistinguishable ground and air alike. The air is pushed by the Earth and light and heavier objects are pushed up at different rates as the separate throughout the accelerating air. If the air is more dense, it is harder to accelerate and therefore drifts below the objects that are more easily accelerated due to their density.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2009, 06:59:02 PM »
Quote from: Abysmal on July 30, 2009, 06:19:18 PM
it's rising at about 9.8 m/sec^2. It kind of acts as the FE "gravity".

have you read the FAQ?

actually, this is a rate of acceleration not an actual speed.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2009, 07:49:13 PM »
Quote from: Abysmal on July 30, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
Those pictures could be faked. You can't prove them to be the real thing.

Why would they fake them?
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2009, 07:51:54 PM »
Because the FET depends on every piece of evidence against them being faked.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2009, 08:46:05 PM »
That's not an answer. People tell the truth because it's the truth. People who lie (and who aren't mentally unbalanced) need motivation. So why would they fake them?
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2009, 09:36:24 PM »
I know, and I agree with you, I'm just saying that it'll just be written off as "well, it's probably related (very very very loosely so) to the government, so it's part of the Conspiracy."
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2009, 03:56:25 AM »
Quote from: fhqwhgads on July 30, 2009, 08:46:05 PM
That's not an answer. People tell the truth because it's the truth. People who lie (and who aren't mentally unbalanced) need motivation. So why would they fake them?

Well, they did get their names and pictures in the news, which is pretty cool. However, I don't think the pictures were necessarily faked... they don't need to be. They only show the flat Earth.
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Quote from: SSSavio on July 30, 2009, 05:29:51 AM
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 06:25:03 AM »
I declare that any FE'er who truly cares about proving their theory, should try this. Wont cost you much and may hold insights into the theory you hold so dearly
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2009, 08:18:33 AM »
Why wouldn't bendy light create the appearance of a curved surface?
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 09:53:28 AM »
What's bendy light? I ask that because your reply makes it sound like it's a documented phenomenon. So if I go to Wikipedia, I should find an article on bendy light. Or maybe Bendy Light Theory. A Google search should turn up discussion on the theory (outside of this forum). Oddly, none of those work.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 10:02:03 AM »
Quote from: fhqwhgads on July 31, 2009, 09:53:28 AM
What's bendy light? I ask that because your reply makes it sound like it's a documented phenomenon. So if I go to Wikipedia, I should find an article on bendy light. Or maybe Bendy Light Theory. A Google search should turn up discussion on the theory (outside of this forum). Oddly, none of those work.

Maybe you should Google 'pseudoscience'.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2009, 11:26:58 AM »
There is no point trying to convince anyone on this site that those pictures show a round earth. Either they are-

a) a Troll, and therefore don't want to lose face, or

b) a real FE'er, and therefore doesn't want to see the *obvious* curve in the pictures.

Or they're Tom Bishop. He really is just stupid.
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Re: Camera on a balloon
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »
Quote from: JTF on July 31, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
therefore doesn't want to see the *obvious* curve in the pictures.

I see the curve.
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Quote from: SSSavio on July 30, 2009, 05:29:51 AM
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Camera on a balloon
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2009, 09:14:48 PM »
Quote from: Soapdish on July 30, 2009, 01:36:54 AM
First off; the balloon itself.

If the disc that is the Earth is constantly accelerating upward, how does the balloon rise upwards (or any balloon ever made, or blimps, or planes?). Bear in mind that if you're using the Earth's constant upward motion to account for the downward tendency of dropped objects, it also must be applied to balloons, planes, etc.

To be fair, doesn't the standard gravity model stand against this assumption as well?  This is a property of matter.  Think of the atmosphere like a fluid, just as water.  Less dense objects float.  How do trees grow and humans stand?
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