Abortion

How much experience have you had with our doctors?

Hip replacements and heart surgery apparently. It seems people tend to travel to hospitals that have good credentials, like JCI (except for in Cuba where Amerikkkans still flock to for medical treatment despite its hospitals not having those preferred Amerikkkan credentials) although people still go to hospitals without these certificates.

I'm still waiting to hear how many people travel to the US for treatment.

How much experience have you had with our doctors?

Hip replacements and heart surgery apparently. It seems people tend to travel to hospitals that have good credentials, like JCI (except for in Cuba where Amerikkkans still flock to for medical treatment despite its hospitals not having those preferred Amerikkkan credentials) although people still go to hospitals without these certificates.

I'm still waiting to hear how many people travel to the US for treatment.

No idea. Also you are talking about medical tourism where people go to india and such for less costly medical treatments. That doesn't suggest that they are better, just that people are willing to do things to save money.

They're obviously not bad otherwise people wouldn't go to them, the standard of care is just as good (if not better).

Why do people travel to other countries for medical treatment? Mostly to cut waiting time and/or costs. Admittedly some people travel to the US for new risky treatments that aren't being done yet (or only on a small basis) in other countries but the people who can afford to do that can already afford private care so if the treatment was available in their home countries I doubt they would go to Amerikkka for it inevitably costs more.

They're obviously not bad otherwise people wouldn't go to them, the standard of care is just as good (if not better).

Why do people travel to other countries for medical treatment? Mostly to cut waiting time and/or costs. Admittedly some people travel to the US for new risky treatments that aren't being done yet (or only on a small basis) in other countries but the people who can afford to do that can already afford private care so if the treatment was available in their home countries I doubt they would go to Amerikkka for it inevitably costs more.

How does that mean that they are just as good? Are you saying people won't get something that is not as good when it is cheaper?

As for the rest people come here for risky treatments because we have skilled specialists that make these risky operations possible.

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 12:20:14 PM

They're obviously not bad otherwise people wouldn't go to them, the standard of care is just as good (if not better).

Why do people travel to other countries for medical treatment? Mostly to cut waiting time and/or costs. Admittedly some people travel to the US for new risky treatments that aren't being done yet (or only on a small basis) in other countries but the people who can afford to do that can already afford private care so if the treatment was available in their home countries I doubt they would go to Amerikkka for it inevitably costs more.

How does that mean that they are just as good? Are you saying people won't get something that is not as good when it is cheaper?

As for the rest people come here for risky treatments because we have skilled specialists that make these risky operations possible.

When its a matter of putting your health (and possibly life) in someone else's hands you tend to want decent quality. And when you go for treatment as a medical tourist you tend to be able to get the better doctors there, rather than the average doctors in your own country (actually at least in Thailand and Singapore it seems most of the doctors got their training in the US and Western Europe, then returned to their own country to work so you can expect the treatment from the doctors at least to be just as good)

You guys have the new treatments that haven't been started yet in other countries (prolly cos other countries wait to see how it works out over there first). However Amerikkkans have to go to other countries for treatments not available in the US like stem cell treatments.

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 01:28:24 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 12:20:14 PM

They're obviously not bad otherwise people wouldn't go to them, the standard of care is just as good (if not better).

Why do people travel to other countries for medical treatment? Mostly to cut waiting time and/or costs. Admittedly some people travel to the US for new risky treatments that aren't being done yet (or only on a small basis) in other countries but the people who can afford to do that can already afford private care so if the treatment was available in their home countries I doubt they would go to Amerikkka for it inevitably costs more.

How does that mean that they are just as good? Are you saying people won't get something that is not as good when it is cheaper?

As for the rest people come here for risky treatments because we have skilled specialists that make these risky operations possible.

When its a matter of putting your health (and possibly life) in someone else's hands you tend to want decent quality. And when you go for treatment as a medical tourist you tend to be able to get the better doctors there, rather than the average doctors in your own country (actually at least in Thailand and Singapore it seems most of the doctors got their training in the US and Western Europe, then returned to their own country to work so you can expect the treatment from the doctors at least to be just as good)

You guys have the new treatments that haven't been started yet in other countries (prolly cos other countries wait to see how it works out over there first). However Amerikkkans have to go to other countries for treatments not available in the US like stem cell treatments.

So your argument is based on the assumption people aren't willing to risk their lives to get something cheap. That is a huge assumption. Most people tend to undervalue risk to their lives.

As for the rest, people deciding to go to another country for treatment isn't really a good indicator of anything except small factors such as available treatments and price.

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quality of the service at the hospital though, at least thats what this site says http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quality of the service at the hospital though, at least thats what this site says http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Sigh. I meant that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

And those tourist hospitals aren't exactly examples of another country's healthcare system. They are there to gain money from other countries, train their doctors elsewhere, and are cheap due to relative levels of wealth.

Lol @ you, stay gold.

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quality of the service at the hospital though, at least thats what this site says http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Sigh. I meant that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

And those tourist hospitals aren't exactly examples of another country's healthcare system. They are there to gain money from other countries, train their doctors elsewhere, and are cheap due to relative levels of wealth.

Damnit be clearer Raist  And I agree that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Most of those countries have a better healthcare system than the US according to WHO

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:46:19 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quality of the service at the hospital though, at least thats what this site says http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Sigh. I meant that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

And those tourist hospitals aren't exactly examples of another country's healthcare system. They are there to gain money from other countries, train their doctors elsewhere, and are cheap due to relative levels of wealth.

Damnit be clearer Raist  And I agree that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Most of those countries have a better healthcare system than the US according to WHO

Better how? Amount of money expended per person? Infant mortality rates biased by our increasing problem of premature births. A problem with no known cause.

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 03:47:38 PM

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:46:19 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quality of the service at the hospital though, at least thats what this site says http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Sigh. I meant that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

And those tourist hospitals aren't exactly examples of another country's healthcare system. They are there to gain money from other countries, train their doctors elsewhere, and are cheap due to relative levels of wealth.

Damnit be clearer Raist  And I agree that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Most of those countries have a better healthcare system than the US according to WHO

Better how? Amount of money expended per person? Infant mortality rates biased by our increasing problem of premature births. A problem with no known cause.

They have a whole list of factors that they judge them on, check them out if you're interested.

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 04:08:26 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 03:47:38 PM

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:46:19 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 02:33:19 PM

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on August 24, 2009, 01:57:32 PM

Considering the quality of the hospitals people go to, my assumption is mostly correct.

And cost and availability of treatments are small factors? I don't think it would be a small factor to you if you needed treatment but were unable to afford/it wasn't available to you.

I mean they have nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Quality of the service at the hospital though, at least thats what this site says http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html

Sigh. I meant that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

And those tourist hospitals aren't exactly examples of another country's healthcare system. They are there to gain money from other countries, train their doctors elsewhere, and are cheap due to relative levels of wealth.

Damnit be clearer Raist  And I agree that cost and availability of treatments has nothing to do with the quality of a hospital.

Most of those countries have a better healthcare system than the US according to WHO

Better how? Amount of money expended per person? Infant mortality rates biased by our increasing problem of premature births. A problem with no known cause.

They have a whole list of factors that they judge them on, check them out if you're interested.

I looked, and all I could find were monetary issues and age of death. It was more the health quality of the people than of the health care system and its efficiency at using money.

My theory is that most people who support abortion are young and naive and have never had the experience of someone close to them dying.

My theory is that most people who support abortion are young and naive and have never had the experience of someone close to them dying.

Elaborate please, I don't understand what you mean.

My theory is that most people who support abortion are young and naive and have never had the experience of someone close to them dying.

Been through someone close to me dying. Been through someone close to me having an abortion. Still support it. I have a theory the converse is true.

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:04:19 PM

My theory is that most people who support abortion are young and naive and have never had the experience of someone close to them dying.

Elaborate please, I don't understand what you mean.

Pretty self explanatory. dictionary.com

I think he meant the definitions of the words you used did not appropriately convey your meaning.

Quote from: taters343 on August 24, 2009, 07:29:06 PM

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:04:19 PM

My theory is that most people who support abortion are young and naive and have never had the experience of someone close to them dying.

Elaborate please, I don't understand what you mean.

Pretty self explanatory. dictionary.com

No, I don't think you understand, explain what you mean. How would losing someone close affect the situation?

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:38:02 PM

Quote from: taters343 on August 24, 2009, 07:29:06 PM

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:04:19 PM

My theory is that most people who support abortion are young and naive and have never had the experience of someone close to them dying.

Elaborate please, I don't understand what you mean.

Pretty self explanatory. dictionary.com

No, I don't think you understand, explain what you mean. How would losing someone close affect the situation?

If you don't understand, you don't understand. It isn't a feeling you can explain very well.

It isn't a feeling you can explain very well.

Which should be your first clue that you're appealing to emotion.

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:42:02 PM

It isn't a feeling you can explain very well.

Which should be your first clue that you're appealing to emotion.

We're all human here, right?

We're all human here, right?

I would imagine. What of it?

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on August 24, 2009, 07:44:25 PM

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:42:02 PM

It isn't a feeling you can explain very well.

Which should be your first clue that you're appealing to emotion.

We're all human here, right?

And we have all agreed that being human does not present you with a right to live.

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:47:19 PM

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on August 24, 2009, 07:44:25 PM

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:42:02 PM

It isn't a feeling you can explain very well.

Which should be your first clue that you're appealing to emotion.

We're all human here, right?

And we have all agreed that being human does not present you with a right to live.

You're entitled to your own opinion. Anyway, that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing how emotion has an impact on choices you make.

Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 07:49:27 PM

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:47:19 PM

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on August 24, 2009, 07:44:25 PM

Quote from: BanthaPoodoo on August 24, 2009, 07:42:02 PM

It isn't a feeling you can explain very well.

Which should be your first clue that you're appealing to emotion.

We're all human here, right?

And we have all agreed that being human does not present you with a right to live.

You're entitled to your own opinion. Anyway, that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing how emotion has an impact on choices you make.

Yes, but it should not have an impact on laws.

Nor a logical debate.

Nor a logical debate.

I don't think it's logical for humans to not appeal to emotion, even in a debate. On the contrary, debates originate from emotion.