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I think the difference would be one is an attempt to look like a victim while the other is trying to encourage a belief.

From the perspective of an atheist, the christian billboards have the real potential of retarding more people by converting drones.  The Atheist ones have the possibility of freeing people from a life of needless servitude and fear.

From the perspective of an atheist, the christian billboards have the real potential of retarding more people by converting drones.  The Atheist ones have the possibility of freeing people from a life of needless servitude and fear.

That's the norm though, and atheists are both fewer and more emotionally downtrodden than christians so it's unlikely that they'll complain as much, as violently or be listened to.

Atheists are emotionally downtrodden now?

I swear no one has a neutral stance on this issue. A billboard to convert people's beliefs is FUCKING RETARDED if you gain converts from a billboard then you better have a special seating section for helmets in your club.

As an atheist I find the idea of 'atheist groups' rather pointless - certainly in my circles. However, if I found that those who did not except the hypothesis that gods exist, were being discriminated against, I would certainly consider founding a group. However, that group would not be an atheist group as such, it would be a anti-discrimination group.

Atheism is not something to have in common with another as such imo. It makes sense to have a 'cyclists club' but not a 'non cyclists club'.

And on a side note. Atheism is not a belief - atheism is absence of belief. We are all born with no knowledge of gods and therefore we are all atheist by default - we have no belief in gods when we are born. It takes a few years of indoctrination by community and family to get a typical human child to believe in a particular god. The god that child believes in depends entirely on which group of individuals carried out the indoctrination. There are some adults of course who claim to have had a eureka moment and actually been spoken to by a god.

Atheists are emotionally downtrodden now?

I swear no one has a neutral stance on this issue. A billboard to convert people's beliefs is FUCKING RETARDED if you gain converts from a billboard then you better have a special seating section for helmets in your club.

of course billboards covert people. The same way that bumper sticks change how people were going to vote.

We are all born with no knowledge of gods and therefore we are all atheist by default - we have no belief in gods when we are born.

I've always found this particular fallacy irritating.  We are not atheists by default any more than we're mentally challenged by default.

Quote from: Daz555 on September 17, 2009, 08:16:18 AM

We are all born with no knowledge of gods and therefore we are all atheist by default - we have no belief in gods when we are born.

I've always found this particular fallacy irritating.  We are not atheists by default any more than we're mentally challenged by default.

Do you propose then that we are theists by default?

Now this is a dumb debate if I've ever seen one...

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 17, 2009, 04:57:02 PM

Quote from: Daz555 on September 17, 2009, 08:16:18 AM

We are all born with no knowledge of gods and therefore we are all atheist by default - we have no belief in gods when we are born.

I've always found this particular fallacy irritating.  We are not atheists by default any more than we're mentally challenged by default.

Do you propose then that we are theists by default?

Read my sig.

Read my sig.

To be agnostic requires knowledge of the concept of gods, so we are not born agnostic. I would therefore argue against it being the default position.

If you are not aware of gods then you cannot believe in them.

To be agnostic requires knowledge of the concept of gods

No it doesn't. In fact, it is the only sensible stance to attribute to a person who is ignorant of the concept of a god.

I am with Parsifal on this one. Agnosticism is a stance of ignorance, rather than believing that there is no proof of God or something similar. Sure, you can be an agnostic and know of the concept of a God, but you don't need to know of it.

Quote from: Daz555 on September 17, 2009, 08:16:18 AM

We are all born with no knowledge of gods and therefore we are all atheist by default - we have no belief in gods when we are born.

I've always found this particular fallacy irritating.  We are not atheists by default any more than we're mentally challenged by default.

When we are born we do not believe in god. Do you disagree?

Well, weak atheism at least. Strong atheism requires a concept of god to actively reject.

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

Agnosticism, whilst a useless word in my opinion, still falls under atheism. Atheism is very much the default stance.

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

Can't Argue with that logic

Quote from: Raist on September 18, 2009, 01:10:04 PM

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

Can't Argue with that logic

Have you read the last page? That's what we've been doing.

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 18, 2009, 01:14:44 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 18, 2009, 01:10:04 PM

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

Can't Argue with that logic

Have you read the last page? That's what we've been doing.

Such a literalistic person...I was making a figure of speech...I meant I agree...

Quote from: General Douchebag on September 18, 2009, 01:17:18 PM

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 18, 2009, 01:14:44 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 18, 2009, 01:10:04 PM

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

Can't Argue with that logic

Have you read the last page? That's what we've been doing.

Such a literalistic person...I was making a figure of speech...I meant I agree...

Say what you mean then, and stop using ellipses instead of real punctuation.

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 18, 2009, 01:23:10 PM

Quote from: General Douchebag on September 18, 2009, 01:17:18 PM

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on September 18, 2009, 01:14:44 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 18, 2009, 01:10:04 PM

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

Can't Argue with that logic

Have you read the last page? That's what we've been doing.

Such a literalistic person...I was making a figure of speech...I meant I agree...

Say what you mean then, and stop using ellipses instead of real punctuation.

No, I will do what I please...

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

You don't need to know about god to not believe in him.

Prior reading this post, did you actively believe in Bubba? He's both a figment of my imagination and a fat ice cream man with a lisp.

Quote from: Raist on September 18, 2009, 01:10:04 PM

At most we are agnostics by default because we have no knowledge one way or another.

You don't need to know about god to not believe in him.

Prior reading this post, did you actively believe in Bubba? He's both a figment of my imagination and a fat ice cream man with a lisp.

If I said yes, how much would your point be undermined?

Well I'm convinced, no way that's a coincidence! All hail Bubba!

If I said yes, how much would your point be undermined?

It was actually rhetorical, but I'd be more worried about you than my point.

When we are born we are mentally retarded. We have no ability to logic, and not even enough mental capacity to grasp concepts such as distance let alone god.

mental retardation means that you have a I.Q. below 80 i believe. I.Q. is decided based on your age group. so no all baby's can't be retarded. otherwise we would have everyone in that group in the bottom 50% of that group. trust me the math would not work.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 17, 2009, 04:57:02 PM

Quote from: Daz555 on September 17, 2009, 08:16:18 AM

We are all born with no knowledge of gods and therefore we are all atheist by default - we have no belief in gods when we are born.

I've always found this particular fallacy irritating.  We are not atheists by default any more than we're mentally challenged by default.

When we are born we do not believe in god. Do you disagree?

As I alluded, no more than we are retarded when we are born.  At that point we are a clean slate, we don't not believe in God anymore than we do believe in God.  So when we are born, as Parsifal indicated, we are purely agnostic.

But I think this is a selective definition of the word "default".  Evidence seems to support the assertion that early humans, once they started questioning the world around them, attributed existence to a supernatural agent.  Such an assumption comes before the scientific understanding that leads some to become atheists.  So I think it's more appropriate to say that we are deists by default, once we start questioning the world around us.

I'm really tired so I may not have expressed that as well as I intended.  But yeah, I think that since the human mind, lacking the appropriate evidence, defaults to a supernatural explanation for existence, it's more appropriate to say that we are deists by default than that we are atheists by default.

it really depends on the semantics of how you define atheist.
if you define it as lack of belief in a god then yes they are all atheist at birth.
if you define it as belief there is no god then no they are not atheist.

it really depends on the semantics of how you define atheist.
if you define it as lack of belief in a god then yes they are all atheist at birth.
if you define it as belief there is no god then no they are not atheist.

This is the only kind of atheist I have ever met.

Okay, this isn't a person you've probably met, but have you heard of Theamazingatheist on youtube? He claims that there is no God.