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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #150 on: August 24, 2009, 08:00:11 PM »
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 07:38:06 PM
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Quote from: T.P. Crockmier on August 24, 2009, 06:04:43 PM
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I'm going to put up a billboard that says "I don't believe in purple unicorns and that doesn't make me a bad person." Does their overwhelming need to belong to a group have to turn them into retards?

Organized religion is essentially a bunch of people wanting to join a group.  Some Christians' overwhelming need to belong to a group has turned them into retards.

Did I say any different? I just think it is hypocritical to form a persecution complex just to feel like you are in a group. It's sad.

If you really want to join a group find something you are passionate about and go from there. It's kind of pitiful if your only common interest is not believing in a deity.
Opposed to forming a group with the only common interest is believing in a deity?

Never heard of a group that you join simply for believing in a deity. It's usually people who believe in the same deity and have the same set of customs surrounding their worship of it. That's quite a bit in common.
So atheists don't have the ability to have anything else in common?  This can go on forever.  Atheists are not any different then theists.  I don't totally agree with T.P. Crockmier.   

No they aren't. I still think forming a group around atheism is a ridiculous idea. They may have something in common, but this organization is just really odd.
That is because of your mindset and nothing else.  I personally would not form a group around the Honda Civic because it is so fucking slow, but you know people do it.  You have your opinion, I have mine, and he has his.   
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #151 on: August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM »
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #152 on: August 24, 2009, 08:27:02 PM »
As an atheist, I do feel that atheist groups are rather pointless.  I do not oppose religion, I oppose the effect that large groups have on individual, impressionable people.  There are, however, individuals that are persecuted due to their atheism, either by their families or by their communities.  However, an organized non-religion can be just as bad as an organized religion.  I support the freedom of the individual, and a specific group for atheists infringes on that part of my person.

And I drive a Honda Civic.  1991 Civic DX to be exact.  It is a fantastically slow car, but it treats me very well and I treat it very well in return.  It makes up for its sluggishness by averaging 37 MPG.  Mostly city driving.  If I take it out on the highway, I'll get 45+
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #153 on: August 24, 2009, 08:30:45 PM »
Uh, the billboard is not an atheist group nor an invitation to one. It does not invite people to get together or talk. It does not invite people to share their atheist based values. It just promotes skepticism.

I've never even heard of an atheist group short of facebook, which I've have only seen to serve as an alliance against religious arguments and movements. The members are almost completely unconcerned with each other. I've have never seen atheists group together to talk about "atheism and how it's okay".
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #154 on: August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM »
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #155 on: August 24, 2009, 08:40:36 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

Exactly.  NASCAR blows.  Rally racing FTW!
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #156 on: August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #157 on: August 24, 2009, 09:08:26 PM »
I'm having difficulty seeing what it is that your drawing from Raist.  :-\
I have yet to see evidence that atheist based support groups even exist, that the billboard is in any way connected to such groups, or that such groups would have to arise due to a persecution complex.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #158 on: August 24, 2009, 09:14:52 PM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on August 24, 2009, 09:08:26 PM
I'm having difficulty seeing what it is that your drawing from Raist.  :-\
I have yet to see evidence that atheist based support groups even exist, that the billboard is in any way connected to such groups, or that such groups would have to arise due to a persecution complex.

So who put up the billboard?
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #159 on: August 24, 2009, 09:25:04 PM »
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 09:14:52 PM
So who put up the billboard?
Probably atheists.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #160 on: August 24, 2009, 10:03:00 PM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on August 24, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 09:14:52 PM
So who put up the billboard?
Probably atheists.
A group of them? With a website? That put together funds to put up billboards? Sounds like a group.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #161 on: August 24, 2009, 10:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on August 24, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 09:14:52 PM
So who put up the billboard?
Probably atheists.
A group of them? With a website? That put together funds to put up billboards? Sounds like a group.
Coming together for a project intended to spread skepticism does not have the same ramifications of a support group.


Edit: At mention of the website, I reviewed the picture to see the URL. Upon visiting the site, I saw this:
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The purpose of the sign is 1. to advertise FLASH and let others know there is a group for them and 2. raise public awareness that they have been lied to about who atheists really are.
While I knew that the second reason seems legitimate enough, the first one does imply that these people may meet and talk rather regularly. All that I'm cloudy on now is the support group comparison and the prosecution complex. A group can have many meanings or goals or reasons for existence. For example, one might choose to belong to a group by seeking an identity. Same with buying a certain style of clothes or engaging in certain behavior.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #162 on: August 24, 2009, 10:40:17 PM »
Hey George it's Ben Franklin, would you like to help start up a group with me that is opposed to the crown?

No Ben, I think that only noobz form groups that their only common interest is that they are opposed to something.

Oh, that's too bad.  The thing that we are opposed to happens to have a strangle hold on the governing bodies here, is costing me money, and is suppressing certain aspects of society.  Though, I guess you are right, only an idiot would want to form up a group solely on the basis that we think something is wrong and want to speak out against it.


(Note: This is about as historical as National Treasure)
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #163 on: August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM »
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #164 on: August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #165 on: August 26, 2009, 09:45:53 AM »
Quote from: Raist on August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.

You meant "you're". 
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #166 on: August 26, 2009, 09:51:38 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.

You meant "you're". 

Why are you so naive?
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #167 on: August 26, 2009, 10:06:49 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 26, 2009, 09:51:38 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.

You meant "you're". 

Why are you so naive?

Are you claiming i'm wrong?
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #168 on: August 26, 2009, 10:08:36 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.

You meant "you're". 

No I do not. i would never call you retarded. I am saying it is up to you to prove your retarded correct.

Jesus christ you should learn some grammar.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #169 on: August 26, 2009, 10:14:04 AM »
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.

You meant "you're". 

No I do not. i would never call you retarded. I am saying it is up to you to prove your retarded correct.

Jesus christ you should learn some grammar.
That's not even close to what you meant.  An IQ test would have nothing to do with that. Not to mention just reading what you said shows that you did not mean "my retarded".     
Don't even talk about my grammar when you don't even capitalize the first letter of a sentence.   
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #170 on: August 26, 2009, 10:18:57 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 10:14:04 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 25, 2009, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 25, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: sokarul on August 24, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
That is a belief. You can group together and talk about honda civics. What do atheists talk about?


"So I was sitting around not believing in God and I feel I am better for it"

There is literally no point to it. That is like forming a group for people that don't think NASCAR is cool. What would they talk about, not watching nascar?
This is a terrible argument. 
They could talk about whatever they want.  They could also go door to door bothering people.

People that hate nascar could talk about other racing.   

It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.
You are stating your opinion as fact. Way to use personal attacks to draw the argument away so you don't have to actually debate.
Again, not my job to prove your retarded.

You meant "you're". 

No I do not. i would never call you retarded. I am saying it is up to you to prove your retarded correct.

Jesus christ you should learn some grammar.
That's not even close to what you meant.  An IQ test would have nothing to do with that. Not to mention just reading what you said shows that you did not mean "my retarded".     
Don't even talk about my grammar when you don't even capitalize the first letter of a sentence.   

i do not consider punctuation a part of grammar. if I had meant you're retarded i would have typed it that way. especially after you mentioned it in the very last post.

so please, do not try to tell me what my intent was.


aLSO I CAN TALK IN ALL CAPS, IT IS NOT GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT EITHER. wHEN TALKING IN ALL CAPS i THINK WE SHOULD START MAKING THE FIRST LETTER LOWERCASE TO PRESERVE GRAMMAR.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #171 on: August 26, 2009, 10:54:18 AM »
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.

How does what you claim make any sense here?

Give it up.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #172 on: August 26, 2009, 10:59:31 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.

How does what you claim make any sense here?

Give it up.

Since when does what I write have to make sense? You've never seemed to hold that standard to yoruself.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #173 on: August 26, 2009, 11:03:06 AM »
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2009, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 26, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 24, 2009, 08:51:48 PM
It wasn't an argument. It was me stating why I find something retarded. I'm not going to convince you that your retarded, that would take a state administered IQ test.

How does what you claim make any sense here?

Give it up.

Since when does what I write have to make sense? You've never seemed to hold that standard to yoruself.

Keep digging. 
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« Reply #174 on: August 26, 2009, 11:18:19 AM »
I don't know why but I've actually found myself with a deep sort of affection for sokarul. He seems to have more intelligence than most of the other forum members and I get the sense that others are envious of him.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #175 on: August 26, 2009, 12:35:48 PM »
Quote from: W on August 26, 2009, 11:18:19 AM
I don't know why but I've actually found myself with a deep sort of affection for sokarul. He seems to have more intelligence than most of the other forum members and I get the sense that others are envious of him.

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« Reply #176 on: August 26, 2009, 12:40:14 PM »
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Quote from: W on August 26, 2009, 11:18:19 AM
I don't know why but I've actually found myself with a deep sort of affection for sokarul. He seems to have more intelligence than most of the other forum members and I get the sense that others are envious of him.



I had sex with my father? Or my mom had sex with her father to create me? Either way, it seems like an immature sort of insult.
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Quote from: SSSavio on July 30, 2009, 05:29:51 AM
If you say that the earth is flat, you are destroying centuries of evolution.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #177 on: August 26, 2009, 12:43:42 PM »
I have no idea what you're talking about. That's a picture of a bunny.
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Quote from: Wendy on December 31, 1969, 04:00:00 PM
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #178 on: September 06, 2009, 12:05:11 AM »
Now, I can't be bothered to read 9 pages of what is, from what I can gather, essentially arguing over whether atheism is a system of belief or not. But I'm going to post about the billboard. Why would someone be angry about this? How is this any different from those billboards I see promoting Christianity? What, you can dish it out but you can't take it? What's up with that?
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Re: atheism billboard
« Reply #179 on: September 06, 2009, 11:41:27 AM »
Quote from: OAW on September 06, 2009, 12:05:11 AM
Now, I can't be bothered to read 9 pages of what is, from what I can gather, essentially arguing over whether atheism is a system of belief or not. But I'm going to post about the billboard. Why would someone be angry about this? How is this any different from those billboards I see promoting Christianity? What, you can dish it out but you can't take it? What's up with that?

From the perspective of a Christian, their billboards are saving people's souls and therefore inherently good; atheism billboards have the potential to damn souls, and are therefore inherently evil.  So you see the difference is like the difference between white and black, between up and down, literally.
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Quote from: wise on August 21, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?
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