The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #660 on: September 16, 2023, 06:20:27 AM »
Why are we arguing about a fictional world in a video game?

I've been wondering the same thing.
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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #661 on: September 18, 2023, 10:28:25 AM »
Why are we arguing about a fictional world in a video game?
Because someone would argue that his ass is a hole in the ground if it meant it would make him feel smarter than flat earthers.
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« Reply #662 on: September 18, 2023, 11:25:52 AM »
Shrugs?


So anyways, long story short I think The Windwaker might have FE undertones to it as well it's counterpart The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass for the DS platform.

Because, somehow a video game justifies FE belief?

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« Reply #663 on: September 18, 2023, 11:39:27 AM »
Why are we arguing about a fictional world in a video game?
Because someone would argue that his ass is a hole in the ground if it meant it would make him feel smarter than flat earthers.
Noone sane has to argue to have that be reality.  Not feel, actually are.
But sure, delusions of grandure are the main reason for arguments here, just from FE supporters who want to feel like they aren't losers, you aren't but I see why you would think that you are and desperately cling to something that would make you feel special.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #664 on: September 18, 2023, 11:57:24 AM »
Why are we arguing about a fictional world in a video game?

Because?
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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #665 on: September 18, 2023, 12:27:54 PM »
Why are we arguing about a fictional world in a video game?
Because someone would argue that his ass is a hole in the ground if it meant it would make him feel smarter than flat earthers.
Noone sane has to argue to have that be reality.  Not feel, actually are.
Regardless if that is true (it's not; case in point - TimeIsUp), that does not change the reality that it is exactly why we are arguing so much over whether a game that clearly depicts a flat planet is round. I imagine your response might be that Time is not a true Scotsman.

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But sure, delusions of grandure are the main reason for arguments here, just from FE supporters who want to feel like they aren't losers, you aren't but I see why you would think that you are and desperately cling to something that would make you feel special.
Being a flat earther is a liability, not some fun badge.

Being a Flat Earther isn't a form of personal validation; instead, it's a belief system with a range of motivations, much like any other worldview. Saying we all just wish to feel special is like saying a person chooses a particular career path solely for personal recognition, ignoring the multitude of reasons that drive career choices.

On the other hand, me pointing out one person who clearly has those motivations is another story all together.

Also if you think I think poorly of myself and think of myself as a loser, you clearly haven't paid much attention to me. How dare you have the audacity to make such a claim. I've never even heard of you.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #666 on: September 18, 2023, 02:07:48 PM »
Regardless if that is true (it's not; case in point - TimeIsUp), that does not change the reality that it is exactly why we are arguing so much over whether a game that clearly depicts a flat planet is round.
None of that is reality.
It is just an insult to try to ridicule people.

Again, you really have no basis to claim the entire planet that Hyrule is on is flat.
Again, it is like looking at water in your sink and claiming that because you can't see the curve Earth must be flat.

What it is vastly more likely to be is that FEers are so desperate to pretend Earth is flat that they need to cling to a video game to pretend that promotes the idea of a FE.

Being a flat earther is a liability, not some fun badge.

Being a Flat Earther isn't a form of personal validation
Sure it is.
It is the bold belief that you have overcome massive "brainwashing", that you are one of the select few "smart enough" to see through all the BS and see the "truth".
Some times it is tied to the belief that the entire universe was made just for us.

On the other hand, me pointing out one person who clearly has those motivations is another story all together.
Well you have one thing right, it certainly is a story.
And considering I have a good idea who you are making up fantasies about, it clearly isn't a true story.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #667 on: September 18, 2023, 04:16:46 PM »
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But sure, delusions of grandure are the main reason for arguments here, just from FE supporters who want to feel like they aren't losers, you aren't but I see why you would think that you are and desperately cling to something that would make you feel special.
Being a flat earther is a liability, not some fun badge.

Being a Flat Earther isn't a form of personal validation; instead, it's a belief system with a range of motivations, much like any other worldview. Saying we all just wish to feel special is like saying a person chooses a particular career path solely for personal recognition, ignoring the multitude of reasons that drive career choices.

On the other hand, me pointing out one person who clearly has those motivations is another story all together.

Also if you think I think poorly of myself and think of myself as a loser, you clearly haven't paid much attention to me. How dare you have the audacity to make such a claim. I've never even heard of you.

I'm sure that the black athletes in the Olympics during the regime of Hitler were just "looking for attention." Oh wait, no, they fought for equality. People trying to make a change in the world don't do it for money, they don't do it as part of some organization (though wicked organizations like the Marxists have tried to hijack the civil rights movement), and they don't do it to make a name for themselves.

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None of that is reality.
It is just an insult to try to ridicule people.

You have a skewed vision of what is reality.

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« Reply #668 on: September 19, 2023, 03:01:27 AM »


I'm sure that the black athletes in the Olympics during the regime of Hitler were just "looking for attention."


You’re comparing the struggle for human rights by a regime that ended up committing genocide vs FE only based on lies and innuendo.


bulmabriefs144, you are fucking stupid.  And a waste of space. 

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« Reply #669 on: September 19, 2023, 03:16:29 AM »
You have a skewed vision of what is reality.
Why?
Because I accept all the evidence that shows Earth is round?

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #670 on: September 19, 2023, 08:27:24 AM »


I'm sure that the black athletes in the Olympics during the regime of Hitler were just "looking for attention."


You’re comparing the struggle for human rights by a regime that ended up committing genocide vs FE only based on lies and innuendo.

bulmabriefs144, you are fucking stupid.  And a waste of space.

Globalist regime has been responsible for a great deal of human cruelty.

It is "open borders" systems that produced this.


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Human trafficking. My comparison stands.

You are a waste of space actually, as there is nothing about you that adds to the world. You only tear things and people down.

What do you stand for? I stand for truth, even when those around me call me a liar. And I stand for freedom too.

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« Reply #671 on: September 19, 2023, 10:48:21 AM »


I'm sure that the black athletes in the Olympics during the regime of Hitler were just "looking for attention."


You’re comparing the struggle for human rights by a regime that ended up committing genocide vs FE only based on lies and innuendo.

bulmabriefs144, you are fucking stupid.  And a waste of space.

Globalist regime has been responsible for a great deal of human cruelty.

It is "open borders" systems that produced this.


(Skip first minute to get past test pattern beep)

Human trafficking. My comparison stands.

You are a waste of space actually, as there is nothing about you that adds to the world. You only tear things and people down.

What do you stand for? I stand for truth, even when those around me call me a liar. And I stand for freedom too.


What are you ranting about.  I don’t care about any cause bulmabriefs144 of yours if you can fall for this the earth is flat.


Other than innuendo, lies. and propaganda. Do you have any evidence the earth is flat.  Seems the only thing you have of late is to character assassinate anyone that doesn’t agree the earth is flat with false accusations of corruption and association.


So said to see you bring false witness to try to make yourself into something you’re not. Now your just a small person, and using  false testimony.


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« Reply #672 on: September 19, 2023, 11:37:46 AM »

What do you stand for?

If you want to go into law enforcement or start being proactive and go on mission trips.  Go for it. 


If you want to thump the Bible, get  judgmental about people not knowing them and assuming falsehood based on them because the earth is spherical.  Maybe you should actually read the Bible.

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43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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Do Not Be Anxious

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[a] 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206%3A25-34&version=ESV


bulmabriefs144, stop making false accusations and being judgmental.  Especially if you don’t know what causes individuals take up and how they devote their free time.


You’re the kind of Karen that put judgmental asshole in religion. 


I try not to be judgmental, but reading you posts bulmabriefs144 brings certain bible verses into mind…

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Fasting

16 “And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A16-25&version=ESV;NASB


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Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #673 on: September 19, 2023, 02:07:34 PM »
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Other than innuendo, lies. and propaganda. Do you have any evidence the earth is flat.  Seems the only thing you have of late is to character assassinate anyone that doesn’t agree the earth is flat with false accusations of corruption and association.

I have plenty. I'm also sick of repeating myself.

The bottom line is that if you think water curves, light curves, gravity is a thing... but only when it's convenient, I probably could explain until I'm blue in the face, but it's easier to call you a corrupt puppet of the state.

"You have no evidence of flat Earth." (shows how it works) "Bah! I didn't see anything!"



There is no curved water. And no hills of water.

But... but... gravity! That's it!

https://bigthink.com/hard-science/remarkable-new-theory-says-theres-no-gravity-no-dark-matter-and-einstein-was-wrong/

So basically, they cycled back to pre-Newton but made it sound new.

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There has undoubtedly been something scientifically disconcerting about giving so much significance to a force that’s never been detected directly. It’s existence has only been inferred through gravitational effects.

If a "force" can be only detected indirectly, then you can call something gravity, but it's actually something else.

So, ummm water hills?


This is nonsense.  And it figures from a show that is explicitly a RE concept.  I like One Piece, but its RE is laughable at best.
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« Reply #674 on: September 19, 2023, 03:38:22 PM »
Globalist regime has been responsible for a great deal of human cruelty.
That is not the globalist regime.
Stop acting like everything that you don't like is because of the RE.

So no, your comparison is pure BS.

What do you stand for? I stand for truth, even when those around me call me a liar. And I stand for freedom too.
If you stand for truth, why do you continually lie?

A lot of the time you even know that what you are spouting is BS, and know the truth, but choose to ignore the truth and spout lies instead.

As for freedom, you stand for your own freedom and don't care about the freedom of others, especially recognising that freedom is a 2 way street. If you want freedom, it comes with responsibilities to ensure the freedom of others.

I have plenty. I'm also sick of repeating myself.
Then stop repeating the same lies.

The bottom line is that if you think water curves, light curves, gravity is a thing... but only when it's convenient
Not only when it is convenient, all the time.
It is just a question of how much.

Over a 1 m distance (on Earth), you would have a bulge on the order of nm. The ripples on the surface would be vastly more significant.

I probably could explain until I'm blue in the face, but it's easier to call you a corrupt puppet of the state.
Of course it is easy to invent lies about people to dismiss them, than to actually address their arguments.
Actually addressing their argument requires you to read it, understand it, and come up with a rational response.
And that can be quite difficult when you are knowingly lying.

"You have no evidence of flat Earth." (shows how it works) "Bah! I didn't see anything!"
No, you don't show how it works. You look for pathetic cop outs, entirely ignore plenty of observations, including at times literally saying you are ignoring it, lying about simple things, all to boldly proclaim Earth is flat.
You have no evidence to support the fantasy that Earth is flat.
You have no evidence to refute a round Earth.

We see water curve with the behaviour of objects as they go over the horizon.
In order to avoid this simple fact, you need to invent all sorts of delusional BS to pretend it works.
To try to pretend your claim is justified, you appeal to situations where you simple can't measure the curvature because it is too small.

So you have nothing.

But don't worry, we can easily see that water is not magically flat, even at the small scale, by observing things like a meniscus.
Sure, that curvature isn't due to Earth, but it shows your claim that it is magically flat is pure garbage.

I like One Piece, but its RE is laughable at best.
If it is laughable at best, then why does all the available evidence either clearly support a RE, or is unable to distinguish between a RE and FE?
Why it a RE so easily able to explain so much of reality while FE repeatedly fails?

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #675 on: September 20, 2023, 01:32:06 AM »


There is no curved water. And no hills of water.



Then why do you invoke your delusional parabola?  (Added to make more specific) To make your flat earth delusion to act like a spherical earth reality. 

Anyway…

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Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

By: Tom Coomes Facebook | Twitter
Posted: Apr 29, 2016 12:46 AM EDT


“I do go out and take a lot of photos of Chicago along the lake. I go to different locations on different nights. I like to compare the photos as to what's changed. Are the buildings wider, taller, shorter are there more of them? Less of them? It's always different, it's so unpredictable, I want to catch as many different views of it as I can," Nowicki said.

To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves.

https://www.abc57.com/news/skyline-skepticism-the-lake-michigan-mirage


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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #676 on: September 20, 2023, 12:15:52 PM »
Regardless if that is true (it's not; case in point - TimeIsUp), that does not change the reality that it is exactly why we are arguing so much over whether a game that clearly depicts a flat planet is round.
None of that is reality.
It is just an insult to try to ridicule people.

Again, you really have no basis to claim the entire planet that Hyrule is on is flat.
Except all evidence pointing to a flat planet.

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Again, it is like looking at water in your sink and claiming that because you can't see the curve Earth must be flat.
That would only be true if we had reason to assume it was first round and second large enough to not see curvature. Neither of these have had any evidence put forth to support. 

You actually have to support your claim that it is round.

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What it is vastly more likely to be is that FEers are so desperate to pretend Earth is flat that they need to cling to a video game to pretend that promotes the idea of a FE.
Hyrule being flat has nothing to do with Earth being flat. Are you feeling okay? I don't think anyone has tried to draw that connection but you.

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Being a flat earther is a liability, not some fun badge.

Being a Flat Earther isn't a form of personal validation
Sure it is.
It is the bold belief that you have overcome massive "brainwashing", that you are one of the select few "smart enough" to see through all the BS and see the "truth".
Some times it is tied to the belief that the entire universe was made just for us.
Its not that at all, but I'm sure you know the motivations of flat earthers better than flat earthers themselves.

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On the other hand, me pointing out one person who clearly has those motivations is another story all together.
Well you have one thing right, it certainly is a story.
And considering I have a good idea who you are making up fantasies about, it clearly isn't a true story.
I have no idea what you mean.
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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #677 on: September 20, 2023, 01:49:54 PM »
Except all evidence pointing to a flat planet.
What evidence?

That would only be true if we had reason to assume it was first round and second large enough to not see curvature. Neither of these have had any evidence put forth to support.

You actually have to support your claim that it is round.
No, this is true if someone wishes to boldly assert that the entire planet is flat from a small portion of it.
Why should I have to support my rejection of your claim that it is flat?
That is shifting the burden of proof.

No one knows how large the planet Hyrule is on is.

Is Holodrum and Labrynna on the same planet as Hyrule?

All we know is that the world stretches far beyond the less than 10 km wide area we are able to access in BotW and TotK.

So it is quite like looking at water in your sink, and extrapolating your inability to see any curvature there to claim the entire world is flat.

Hyrule being flat has nothing to do with Earth being flat. Are you feeling okay? I don't think anyone has tried to draw that connection but you.
Are you feeling okay?
The title of the thread:
"Flat earth video game".
The OP:
"This lack of horizon curvature set me thinking about if it was possible that there are FE undertones to the game."
And other posts:
Surely this is solid evidence that a Flat Earth counter-resistance conspiracy exists within the video game industry.
With our technology today it should be no problem to convey the world as spherical.  Video games strive to be more and more realistic, yet they continue to ignore the supposedly basic notion that the world is spherical.  I credit them with having balls of steel to stand by their convictions in the face of the Global Conspiracy, and only hope our exposing them here doesn't lead to them being shut down by the government, or forced to show the world as it is.  My guess is they will leave them alone, but don't be surprised if more spherical worlds pop up in video games in the future.

And all your comparisons, where for it to be round you want it to perfectly match the round Earth, rather than just being round itself with no connection.

So yes, people have drawn that connection, even you.

Its not that at all, but I'm sure you know the motivations of flat earthers better than flat earthers themselves.
Given how plenty of FEers act, it is that, at least for some.
Where they happily declare those that follow the mainstream model to be brainwashed and incapable of understanding.

I have no idea what you mean.
I mean you are inventing motivations for people. You are not pointing it out, you are making it up.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #678 on: September 20, 2023, 02:37:44 PM »
Globalist regime has been responsible for a great deal of human cruelty.
That is not the globalist regime.
Stop acting like everything that you don't like is because of the RE.

So no, your comparison is pure BS.

You love to say "pure BS." I wonder what you'd find not to be pure BS? Probably outright propaganda straight from supposedly respected scientists. Like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

What do you stand for? I stand for truth, even when those around me call me a liar. And I stand for freedom too.
If you stand for truth, why do you continually lie?

Hear the book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah told the truth to the king, warning him that his ways would lead to destruction. But there were false prophets who continually called him a liar. It uhhhh... didn't end well for them. The king lived to see the false prophets were false, and then was taken into slavery. The false prophets died when contrary to their message of peace, Israel was attacked.

The point being it is entirely your prerogative whether you want to ignore me when I tell you stuff. But then I void all responsibility when the globalists take over and ruin your life. I did warn your after all.


A lot of the time you even know that what you are spouting is BS, and know the truth, but choose to ignore the truth and spout lies instead.

You wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the ass.

As for freedom, you stand for your own freedom and don't care about the freedom of others, especially recognising that freedom is a 2 way street. If you want freedom, it comes with responsibilities to ensure the freedom of others.

Right. I'm using that responsibility to tell you that you're heading straight into slavery. You are 100% free to ignore my words. But your loyalty to Marxist globalist theology is what will undo you.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/22/socialism-fascism-and-communism-enslave-and-they-d/
https://holierthantao.com/2023/04/28/the-dark-underbelly-of-globalization-human-trafficking-and-smuggling/

I have plenty. I'm also sick of repeating myself.
Then stop repeating the same lies.

I'm repeating them because you seem to have trouble understanding.

The bottom line is that if you think water curves, light curves, gravity is a thing... but only when it's convenient
Not only when it is convenient, all the time.
It is just a question of how much.

All the time. Until a jumbo jet weighing hundreds of tons is able fly thousands of feet in the air.

But you said something very interesting there. "How much." Gravity is supposed to be a constant. If you can randomly change the value of gravity, it isn't a constant force but something arbitrary.


Over a 1 m distance (on Earth), you would have a bulge on the order of nm. The ripples on the surface would be vastly more significant.

Quit lying. You can see about 3 miles (4828 meters) on a flat space. Nanometers is conveniently small enough that a 1:1 would result in 4828 nm which converts to 0.000004828 meters. When something is so conveniently small that it cannot be detected with the eye, what is the difference from that and not existing? Because on a high mountain, you can sometimes see 50 or 100 miles away. ((100/3)x4828)=160933.3 nm-> 0.0001609333 m bulge. So on a really high mountain, you still can't see this imaginary bulge.

I probably could explain until I'm blue in the face, but it's easier to call you a corrupt puppet of the state.
Of course it is easy to invent lies about people to dismiss them, than to actually address their arguments.
Actually addressing their argument requires you to read it, understand it, and come up with a rational response.
And that can be quite difficult when you are knowingly lying.

Yes, it can, Jack Black.

"You have no evidence of flat Earth." (shows how it works) "Bah! I didn't see anything!"
No, you don't show how it works. You look for pathetic cop outs, entirely ignore plenty of observations, including at times literally saying you are ignoring it, lying about simple things, all to boldly proclaim Earth is flat.
You have no evidence to support the fantasy that Earth is flat.
You have no evidence to refute a round Earth.

I've been on religious forums and seen the same tactic. "You have no evidence."



Your own view of the universe actually shows evidence. But you probly say there's no evidence for this, much less a flat Earth.

We see water curve with the behaviour of objects as they go over the horizon.
In order to avoid this simple fact, you need to invent all sorts of delusional BS to pretend it works.
To try to pretend your claim is justified, you appeal to situations where you simple can't measure the curvature because it is too small.

No, you don't. You see a simple vanishing point. Then you delude yourself into thinking this looks like a curve.



So you have nothing.

But don't worry, we can easily see that water is not magically flat, even at the small scale, by observing things like a meniscus.

???

Sure, that curvature isn't due to Earth, but it shows your claim that it is magically flat is pure garbage.

There something wrong with your eyes? I can measure a line straight across the horizon above. And here.




You with your impossibly small billionth of a meter "bulge" that you can't even see from a hundred-mile view, and you tell me that this line straight across is a "curve" because you don't understand perspective. Do me a favor next time you want to call me a liar and actually bother to figure out how perspective works. Then get your eyes checked.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #679 on: September 20, 2023, 03:31:47 PM »
You love to say "pure BS." I wonder what you'd find not to be pure BS?
Honest portrayals of things.
You should try it some time.

Hear the book of Jeremiah.
No thanks. You can keep your fictional stories to yourself.

You are objectively spouting lies all over the place.
You have theses pointed out, yet you keep on making them.

This is not a case of you saying the truth and other people calling you a liar.
This is case of you repeatedly lying and people calling you a liar because of it.

I'm using that responsibility to tell you that you're heading straight into slavery.
You mean you are ignoring that responsibility to pretend you having accountability and responsibility would be slavery.


I'm repeating them because you seem to have trouble understanding.
You are confusing understanding with accepting your delusional BS.

All the time. Until a jumbo jet weighing hundreds of tons is able fly thousands of feet in the air.
By providing a force.
It can only fly because of its engines providing thrust to have airflow over the wings to provide lift.

This is gravity NOT being convenient, yet is still there acting.
Because of gravity the plane needs to burn fuel and have giant wings to stay in the air.
If we could just switch it off when it was inconvenient then a plane would have tiny wings just to control its direction and would be able to throttle down the engines to virtually nothing during cruise.

So yes, ALL THE TIME, including when a Jumbo Jet is burning loads of fuel to generate lift to fight it to stay in the air.

Gravity is supposed to be a constant.
No, it isn't.
That is just another strawman FEers use.

The acceleration (or alternatively the strength of the gravitational field) can be approximated as a single value all over Earth, but that is an approximation.
In reality, it varies with location.
But more importantly, that is only g that is approximated, not the force.
The force is proportional to mass.

Quit lying.
I'm not lying.
I'm pointing out that even while it is curved all the time, that the amount of curvature can be so insignificant that you are unable to detect it.

Conversely, you are lying.

You can see about 3 miles (4828 meters) on a flat space. Nanometers is conveniently small enough that a 1:1 would result in 4828 nm which converts to 0.000004828 meters.
How about you try reality, where at least for small distances it can be approximated as h=d^2/(2R)?
Notice how it is proportional to the square of the distance, not linear? So it isn't 1:1. Also I said bulge not drop.
And I said it was on the order of nm, not 1 nm.

Ignoring the last point, that means you should actually take that 1 nm, and multiply it by (4828*2)^2 = 93,238,336 nm or 0.09 m.

So with Earth having a radius of roughly 6371000 m, over a 0.5 m distance (to get the bulge from the centre to the edge), you get roughly 20 nm.
For 5 km, from you to the horizon, it would be 1.96 m.
At 100 km away it would be 785 m.

But the question is how are you expecting to see this?

What it should appear as is objects disappearing from the bottom up as they go over this bulge.
And guess what? We see that.

When we look at distant objects, with both us and the object above water, we see water blocking the view. i.e. we see the bulge.
Your wilful rejection of it doesn't change that.

Alternatively, you need to set up a system to measure it, where you set up a straight line of sight from 2 points separated by 10 km for the 5 km distance, at equal elevation (e.g. 10 m above sea level) and then measure what altitude above sea level this line is at 5 km (the midpoint, where the bulge is).

When something is so conveniently small that it cannot be detected with the eye, what is the difference from that and not existing?
The effects it has.
You not being able to see it with your eye in your sink doesn't mean it wont have any affect on Earth.
It is what causes things like time zones, and why different locations on Earth have the sun at a different position in the sky.
It is what causes (at least one factor) limitations on distance of wireless transmissions and observations.

Yes, it can, Jack Black.
And that is why you resort to insults, while I explain why you are wrong.

I've been on religious forums and seen the same tactic. "You have no evidence."
Where you promote your religion with no evidence?

If you think that is evidence of a god, then your god is evidence of UBERGOD, and UBERGOD makes your god unneeded.

Your god solves nothing, and just pushes all those problems back.
But this isn't about your religion.
Where is your evidence of a flat Earth? No where.
You need to resort to all sorts of nonsense to try to explain basic things like why the sun sets.

No, you don't. You see a simple vanishing point.
No, we don't.
The vanishing point is infinitely far away.
If it was simply vanishing point, then the sun and these other objects would simply shrink to a point and fade away. They would never appear to sink below the horizon.
Yet that is exactly what we observe. Objects appearing to sink into the horizon while still clearly resolvable.
This shows it is NOT simply vanishing point/perspective.

So no, I don't delude myself into thinking it is a curve. I understand a curve is the only way to explain it.

And thanks for once again showing your blatant dishonesty by looking at the meniscus in the context of anatomy rather than the contest of a liquid.

There something wrong with your eyes? I can measure a line straight across the horizon above. And here.
By just arbitrarily drawing a line that doesn't even exist.
In the image above of water, the horizon actually curves upwards towards the edge, likely due to lens distortion.

You also make no attempt to even verify if you should be able to see the curve from that view.
Remember, the horizon is the same angle of dip all around.
Depending on the camera lens, this will appear as a straight line in the image, and you can do the same with a small ball or a hula hoop.

you tell me that this line straight across is a "curve" because you don't understand perspective.
No, I understand perspective, which is why I recognise it doesn't do what FEers claim.
I also understand that the horizon must be a curve, as you can follow it all around you.
You can't do that with a straight line.
That is why I can call you a liar, when you repeatedly lie about it.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #680 on: September 20, 2023, 04:13:28 PM »

You wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the ass.

And yet bulmabriefs144, you made repeated false accusations about my videos being false in someway.


So, you’re just a hypocrite. You remind of the pharisees.  You think you’re righteous when you make false accusations that I lie. When none are righteous before God. 

Is that a false statement.  None are righteous before God?

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9 What then? Are we Jews[a] any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11     no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave;
    they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14     “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16     in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known.”
18     “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being[c] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203&version=ESV

Why bulmabriefs144 are you worried about your righteousness when debating makes you throw around false accusations of lies, when the point isn’t to be righteous in the first place. 

What is gained by your trying to be righteous when it makes you bring false accusations of lies when the shape of the earth has nothing to do with salvation? 



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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #681 on: September 20, 2023, 10:21:45 PM »

Hear the book of Jeremiah.
No thanks. You can keep your fictional stories to yourself.

The Bible is actually history, with miracles mixed in. But you'd know that if you actually studied Israel's culture. Joseph? Moses? Actually happened. Egypt has legends of both of these figures. So did the flood. There are water lines on the Sphinx and other ancient monuments. There are huge landmasses that no longer exist.

This is not a case of you saying the truth and other people calling you a liar.
This is case of you repeatedly lying and people calling you a liar because of it.

This is a case of a person either lying to himself or to me calling me a liar because I disagree with his distorted worldview. Groupthink doesn't automatically make lies the truth. If people said that human beings need to kill themselves at age 30 to save the planet, it doesn't matter if one person says this lie or the majority of the population. In fact, lies are even more dangerous when combined with groupthink.

I'm using that responsibility to tell you that you're heading straight into slavery.
You mean you are ignoring that responsibility to pretend you having accountability and responsibility would be slavery.

You're confusing responsibility with "altruism."



I've met people like you all my life. You're always telling people they need to do more, or that they need to sacrifice more. You're not willing to change anything, but I need to go along with you. They try to shame Christians (even those who are poor) into giving everything they have.

A widow and a rich liberal are each told by the temple they attend that giving is what God wants. The widow hasn't much money but is convinced to give $10 when she can't spare any money because she's on a fixed income. The rich liberal shames her that she has given so little. Obviously she must be rich, because she is not a liberal! The rich liberal in turn makes a big fuss about the fact that he has given $1000. He virtue signals how generous he's being compared to that stingy widow. But he works for the state. It isn't even really his money.

Fuck your responsibility. My responsibility is to my life, my freedom, and your freedom. If you're embracing a system that will put you in chains within 50 years, like Jeremiah, it is my duty to tell you. That is my responsibility, and as an amateur prophet, I'm doing it.


All the time. Until a jumbo jet weighing hundreds of tons is able fly thousands of feet in the air.
By providing a force.
It can only fly because of its engines providing thrust to have airflow over the wings to provide lift.

More damned handwaving. Airflow and thrust is equal to 100+ tons of force? I don't think so! Momentum is mass and velocity, but there isn't enough propulsion to overcome the mass!

This is gravity NOT being convenient, yet is still there acting.
Because of gravity the plane needs to burn fuel and have giant wings to stay in the air.
If we could just switch it off when it was inconvenient then a plane would have tiny wings just to control its direction and would be able to throttle down the engines to virtually nothing during cruise.

So yes, ALL THE TIME, including when a Jumbo Jet is burning loads of fuel to generate lift to fight it to stay in the air.

Gravity is supposed to be a constant.
No, it isn't.
That is just another strawman FEers use.

Yes. It is. Because if there is no gravitational constant, then you have a variable. Variables are effectively arbitrary bullshit. "Today, gravity is 13.586 but tomorrow it will be 231.45 because reasons. Birds won't be able to fly tomorrow." Yeah uhhh, that's pretty much the same as turning it off and on, you're resetting the value so it's convenient. You say I'm doing BS, and you pull shit like this.

Quit lying.
I'm not lying.
I'm pointing out that even while it is curved all the time, that the amount of curvature can be so insignificant that you are unable to detect it.

Conversely, you are lying.

I will tell you that there is a green ant in your living room. It is a microscopic ant though, so you can't see it as it crawls up your leg. Do you believe that this ant exists? You shouldn't. Not only did I make it up, but unlike God where the creation is secondary evidence, you can't see it and there's not sign at all that it exists. This is your curvature. A steaming load of excrement that even the perfect view is too tiny to show.

What it should appear as is objects disappearing from the bottom up as they go over this bulge.
And guess what? We see that.

You don't see objects disappear bottom up. You see objects narrow toward front and center. The last thing you see of a boat is its prow, correct? Just as the first thing you see of a train is its front.



Front and center is the headlights. The wheels at "bottom" is back a ways from the headlights. The train needs to get closer to you, or maybe you need to get under the train.

When we look at distant objects, with both us and the object above water, we see water blocking the view. i.e. we see the bulge.
Your wilful rejection of it doesn't change that.



You are literally looking past a zero degree slope point. Not a bulge. At this point, I know you're lying. You can't be this blind.

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If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #682 on: September 21, 2023, 01:46:26 AM »

This is a case of a person either lying to himself or to me calling me a liar because I disagree with his distorted worldview.


I’m I not saved because the world is spherical?


Better than your self righteousness that is meaningless. 


Anyway..


Quote
Completes Flat-Earther’s $100,000 Challenge, Flat-Earther Refuses To Pay

https://www.iflscience.com/youtuber-successfully-completes-flatearthers-100000-challenge-flatearther-refuses-to-pay-50877

Such a shape is impossible to draw on a flat plane because an equilateral triangle, as described by the flat-Earther, would not have angles bigger (or smaller) than 60 degrees. But on the surface of a sphere, the shape is perfectly feasible.

Having nothing to lose and $100,000 to gain, Wolfie6020 took on the challenge and shared his flight plan in a video posted at the end of October, which has now been watched more than 5.7 million times. The flight path goes from the Galapagos to the Gulf of Guinea in Africa, then all the way to the North Pole, and back down to the Galapagos. Each leg is about 10,000 kilometers (6,215 miles) or roughly one-quarter of the length of the equator.

The video showed Woflie6020 first listing the conditions of the bet as put forward by Flat Out Hero and concluded with these words: “Mr Flat Out Hero, your challenge has been answered. The requirements, as you stated them, have been satisfied! It is now your turn to honor your challenge and pay me the $100,000. I plan to give half of that to the Westmead Children's Hospital and use the other half as prize money in future contests on this channel. So let's see if you're a man of your word and will honor your challenge!”


The shape of the world is spherical bulmabriefs144, you’re the one lying to yourself and fighting tooth and nail over something that has nothing to do with salvation.

Makes one wonder what you’re really running from.  Makes one wonder why you cling to useless self righteousness. 


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Retaliation

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[a] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-42&version=ESV

Sailors tried to “walk a mile in FE shoes”, you just actually find your way physically when you treat the world like the sphere it is. 
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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #683 on: September 21, 2023, 05:22:48 AM »
The Bible is actually history
It's actually fiction, with little bits of reality sprinkled in. Just like Harry Potter.

This is a case of a person either lying to himself or to me calling me a liar because I disagree with his distorted worldview.
No. Repeating lies wont help you.
It has been explained what it is.
It is you literally lying about things, after you have been repeatedly refuted, to pretend your delusional BS works.

You're confusing responsibility with "altruism."
No, I'm not.
You are confusing "freedom", with a complete lack of responsibility and accountability.
You even suggested those on islands which are consumed by rising sea levels should be the ones to fix the mistakes of people burning loads of fossil fuels.

You want to do whatever you want, with no accountability or responsibility to others.

I've met people like you all my life.
You mean people who can explain why you are wrong?
And refute all your BS?
So you need to resort to lying about them to feel better about yourself?
So you need to resort to inventing all sorts of fantasies about them to feel better about yourself?

If you're embracing a system that will put you in chains within 50 years, like Jeremiah, it is my duty to tell you.
Yet instead of following that duty, you directly oppose it, and try to promote a system that is already doing that.

More damned handwaving.
No. Not handwaving. A clear explanation of why your claims are pure BS.
Planes need wings and thrust to provide lift to counter gravity.
It doesn't matter what delusional BS you want to claim against that.

Yes. It is. Because if there is no gravitational constant, then you have a variable.
There is a constant, in F=GMm/r^2.
But that constant doesn't mean the force is constant.
The force still depends on mass and distance.

Variables are effectively arbitrary bullshit.
So your height is arbitrary BS?
Today you are 1 m, tomorrow you will be 2 cm, the day after you will be 100 km?

It being variable does not make it arbitrary, nor does it make it BS.

But more importantly, we see planes take off, fly at cruise, land and remain on the ground (and repeat).
Clearly their motion is changing, so at least some part of it has to be a variable.

You are just looking for pathetic excuses to reject reality.

"Today, gravity is 13.586 but tomorrow it will be 231.45 because reasons. Birds won't be able to fly tomorrow." Yeah uhhh, that's pretty much the same as turning it off and on, you're resetting the value so it's convenient.
That isn't what I am doing at all.
Yet again you resort to dishonest strawmen, blatantly lying about others, to pretend your delusional BS is true.

You say I'm doing BS, and you pull shit like this.
No, YOU pull shit like that.
YOU are the one literally spouting pure BS because you can't rationally object to what others say.

I will tell you that there is a green ant in your living room.
No, as above, you will make up pure BS and boldly proclaim I am saying things I am not.

but unlike God where the creation is secondary evidence, you can't see it and there's not sign at all that it exists. This is your curvature.
Unlike your god, there is actually evidence for curvature. Plenty of it.
Including plenty that has already been pointed out to you.
Your wilful rejection of this doesn't magically negate it.
Claiming there is no evidence for curvature is you once again lying.

You don't see objects disappear bottom up.
Yes, we do.
Wilful rejection of reality will not save you.

The last thing you see of a boat is its prow, correct?
No, this depends entirely upon the boat.
If the highest part is the prow, then that will be the last thing you see.
But if the highest part is a tower further in or a stack of containers, then that is the last thing you see.

The train needs to get closer to you, or maybe you need to get under the train.
Or, to demonstrate your delusional BS is wrong, you need the train further away.

You are literally looking past a zero degree slope point.
No, we aren't.
Drawing a bunch of random lines on a picture wont save you.
The bulge is the horizon.
The horizon is measured to have an angle of dip.
It is not a "zero degree slope point".

Again, the vanishing point is infinitely far away, and doesn't match the horizon, as already explained and demonstrated repeatedly.


Every time you say it is the vanishing point you are lying.

At this point, I know you're lying. You can't be this blind.
Projecting again I see.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #684 on: September 21, 2023, 06:10:19 AM »

This is a case of a person either lying to himself or to me calling me a liar because I disagree with his distorted worldview.


I’m I not saved because the world is spherical?


Better than your self righteousness that is meaningless. 


Anyway..


Quote
Completes Flat-Earther’s $100,000 Challenge, Flat-Earther Refuses To Pay

https://www.iflscience.com/youtuber-successfully-completes-flatearthers-100000-challenge-flatearther-refuses-to-pay-50877

Such a shape is impossible to draw on a flat plane because an equilateral triangle, as described by the flat-Earther, would not have angles bigger (or smaller) than 60 degrees. But on the surface of a sphere, the shape is perfectly feasible.

Having nothing to lose and $100,000 to gain, Wolfie6020 took on the challenge and shared his flight plan in a video posted at the end of October, which has now been watched more than 5.7 million times. The flight path goes from the Galapagos to the Gulf of Guinea in Africa, then all the way to the North Pole, and back down to the Galapagos. Each leg is about 10,000 kilometers (6,215 miles) or roughly one-quarter of the length of the equator.

The video showed Woflie6020 first listing the conditions of the bet as put forward by Flat Out Hero and concluded with these words: “Mr Flat Out Hero, your challenge has been answered. The requirements, as you stated them, have been satisfied! It is now your turn to honor your challenge and pay me the $100,000. I plan to give half of that to the Westmead Children's Hospital and use the other half as prize money in future contests on this channel. So let's see if you're a man of your word and will honor your challenge!”


The shape of the world is spherical bulmabriefs144, you’re the one lying to yourself and fighting tooth and nail over something that has nothing to do with salvation.

Makes one wonder what you’re really running from.  Makes one wonder why you cling to useless self righteousness. 


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Retaliation

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[a] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-42&version=ESV

Sailors tried to “walk a mile in FE shoes”, you just actually find your way physically when you treat the world like the sphere it is.

Actually... Most sailors use sea charts to navigate.  Sea charts tend to be flat. Using a globe to navigate introduce distortion errors from curves that aren't there, and you wind up lost or running into rocks. Here's an example.
https://mashable.com/article/flat-earth-international-conference-cruise-gps
Mashable thinks this is a problem. I don't, because I understand that these charts are built on an accurate flat disc model, and they'd be more lost if they pulled out a globe and tried to find their way with that.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/41495/20221223/eg-dec-24-pancake-map-earth-accurate-picture-world-better.htm

A pancake map is better than a globe. Hmmmmm....
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #685 on: September 21, 2023, 06:53:39 AM »
The Bible is actually history
It's actually fiction, with little bits of reality sprinkled in. Just like Harry Potter.
It's actually allegory. The people in it, like King David, were real people. But the entire thing is an allegory for relationship between people and their God. King David cheats on his wife with Bathsheba and kills Uriah... just as the Jewish people have been cheating on their God and killing each other for senseless reasons (like earing pork).

You're confusing responsibility with "altruism."
No, I'm not.
You are confusing "freedom", with a complete lack of responsibility and accountability.
You even suggested those on islands which are consumed by rising sea levels should be the ones to fix the mistakes of people burning loads of fossil fuels.

This is a lie. I suggested that the island only fix their own problems, and that we do likewise. The West i s not a babysitter for remote places. We can't even prove they do have "rising water levels" and not mere flood erosion. So this is a pathetic attempt to shame the West into impoverished lifestyle. If we wanted to help such islands, we could take a sand barge, and expand their shores, then plant some coastal grasses like they do in New Jersey. Instead you have this who made up narrative about icecaps melting, as though they don't freeze and thaw on a regular basis. 

You want to do whatever you want, with no accountability or responsibility to others.

And you try to bully others into going along with an unproven and unscientific system that is based on consensus. Consensus isn't science. Politicians all need unanimous votes. Media needs consistent news. Real science (which has been subverted by "publish or perish") requires testing results by repeated experiments. There is no room in real science for consensus. Consensys means everyone has been bought off or held at gunpoint, and nobody is repeating the experiment.

Yet instead of following that duty, you directly oppose it, and try to promote a system that is already doing that.

Freedom allows you to think what ypu like, even though you're wrong.

More damned handwaving.
No. Not handwaving. A clear explanation of why your claims are pure BS.
Planes need wings and thrust to provide lift to counter gravity.
It doesn't matter what delusional BS you want to claim against that.

Wings aren't magic. Was it you who told be gravity can't pull a jeep straight up? Well a jumbo jet is a bit heavier than a Jeep, and then it has passengers. Having wings isn't a free pass, as you'd know if you read up on botched flight experiments, many of which involved strapping wings or long wood planks to one's body.

Variables are effectively arbitrary bullshit.
So your height is arbitrary BS?
Today you are 1 m, tomorrow you will be 2 cm, the day after you will be 100 km?

Height is a constant. My height (until I am old and shrink) will be 5'11". Earth's gravity should be a constant, but you've just told me that all bets are off, because you get to decide when and how much gravity applies.

That isn't what I am doing at all.
Exactly what you're doing.

I will tell you that there is a green ant in your living room.
No, as above, you will make up pure BS and boldly proclaim I am saying things I am not.

You make up a bump that is a billionth of a meter. Should I get a microscope and look for this bulge?

but unlike God where the creation is secondary evidence, you can't see it and there's not sign at all that it exists. This is your curvature.
Unlike your god, there is actually evidence for curvature. Plenty of it.
Including plenty that has already been pointed out to you.
Your wilful rejection of this doesn't magically negate it.
Claiming there is no evidence for curvature is you once again lying.

My God has evidence for his existence. He is said to have created all things. And here I look around and see all things. Rocks. Trees. Animals. People. Sky. Sun. All things. God is real. You say there's a curve. I don't see it. Water isn't rolling towards land to cover it, as it should do if I put an onion or pumpkin into a running sink. No matter how much I walk or drive, I don't seem to have to adjust. It's a lie.

You are literally looking past a zero degree slope point.
No, we aren't.
Drawing a bunch of random lines on a picture wont save you.

Calling straight lines to center "random lines." You can't even show this bulge. You naively think that a horizon is like a hill with a dip. But apparently you haven't taken a good look at a real hill



There's a dip in this hill, yet the landscape can be seen past it, all the way up to the horizon. This isn't no dip. It's a convergence point. Hence the "random" lines.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #686 on: September 21, 2023, 03:03:14 PM »
Actually... Most sailors use sea charts to navigate.
Yes, charts based upon a RE. Not a FE.

Using a globe to navigate introduce distortion errors from curves that aren't there, and you wind up lost or running into rocks.
Wrong again. If you use a globe to navigate, you end up where you expect to (unless you are a fool like Columbus).
If you use a flat map to navigate you have no idea where you are.

Here's an example.
An example of what?
FEers taking technology reliant upon a RE and ignoring that it needs a RE?
And example of your wilful rejection of reality?

How about this, go ditch all the existing systems and make your own GPS receiver, which calculates its position on Earth based upon a flat surface. See how well you do.

Mashable thinks this is a problem. I don't, because I understand that these charts are built on an accurate flat disc model
No, you don't, because you spout delusional BS.
You don't understand that.
There is no accurate flat disc model.
FEers refuse to provide a map, because they know once they do it can easily be refuted.

A pancake map is better than a globe. Hmmmmm....
And more delusional BS.

That article claims it is the first such pancake map, yet it includes a picture of a much older one.
The sole distinction is how they combine the 2 halves. Where they have it back to back.
So this pancake map is not a FE map.
And it is not better than the globe.

They even tell you the metric to measure that. Maps can be graded based upon how much they distort. A globe receives a perfect score of 0, so no distortion. This map receives a score of 0.881. But the dishonest crap you linked to wont say that because that clearly reveals that it is worse than the globe.

It's actually allegory.
i.e. fiction.
A fairy tale, like the boy who cried wolf, an allegory teaching people not to lie.
You apparently haven't read that.
Fiction can use real things. That does not make it history.
The Bible is fiction.

This is a lie. I suggested that the island only fix their own problems, and that we do likewise.
No, my statement was not a lie.
You opposed the idea of climate change refugees and declared that they should plant trees to save themselves.
Another example is blaming the US for stealing the prosperity of remote islands in the South Pacific. Lefties love this mindset. But at the end of the day, if you're living in a remote island, it's time to stop blaming people nowhere near you for stealing your prosperity, and again, start planting trees.

You objected to the idea of big polluters taking responsibility and repairing the environment, and instead wanted those suffering to have to fix it themselves.

You want to be free to do whatever you please, without any responsibility; and if others are harmed by it, you want them to fix it.

So no. I am NOT confusing altruism with taking responsibility.
I am calling you out for actively avoiding reponsibility.

We can't even prove they do have "rising water levels" and not mere flood erosion.
Yes we can, but plenty of different things which measure the sea level.
It isn't just a single location that is being looked at.
It is world wide.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level

Again, instead of even considering responsibility, you try to deflect and blame them for the damage the big polluters are causing.

we could take a sand barge, and expand their shores, then plant some coastal grasses like they do in New Jersey.
So instead of doing something which might be an inconvenience and stop the damage, you will just waste money and likely cause massive ecological damage?


And you try to bully others into going along with an unproven and unscientific system that is based on consensus.
No, I object to your BS, including your dismissal of something based upon mountains you ignore because you don't like it.
That scientific consensus is based upon the evidence. Evidence you hate.

There is consensus that the sky normally appears blue during the day.
Where are all the people holding virtually everyone at gunpoint for that?
No where.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #687 on: September 21, 2023, 03:03:56 PM »
Freedom allows you to think what ypu like, even though you're wrong.
And it allows other people, like me, to point out that you are wrong, and call you out on your dishonest BS.

Wings aren't magic.
That's right. They rely upon simple physical principles.
The simplest is that it deflects air passing over them downwards, resulting in a reactionary upwards force.
Again, if your dishonest BS was true, and we only used gravity when convenient, we would simply switch it off and have the plane fly without wings. But reality doesn't work that way. Gravity is there even when it isn't convinient.

Was it you who told be gravity can't pull a jeep straight up?
No. It was Data who said a HUMAN can't.
Human's are not pulling or pushing jumbo jets straight up.
The jet uses its engines to generate thrust to push the plane forwards to get airflow over its wings to push down.

If you have a large enough upwards force you can lift the object (or have it break apart as you try).

So more dishonest BS from you.

Height is a constant. My height (until I am old and shrink) will be 5'11".
Considering you were trying to compare objects, it is only fair to do the same.
So we aren't talking about your height. We are talking about height in general.
That is NOT constant. It is variable.
That does not make it arbitrary BS.

But you are still wrong.
The height of a human does vary. As they grow up, and even over the course of a day for a variety of reasons.

Earth's gravity should be a constant, but you've just told me that all bets are off, because you get to decide when and how much gravity applies.
How many times are you planning on repeating this lie?
Again, we do NOT get to decide how much and when gravity applies.
That is determined by the location of the object and its mass.
I have no say in it.

Exactly what you're doing.
Again, repeating the same lie wont help you. It just further demonstrates your dishonesty.


You make up a bump that is a billionth of a meter. Should I get a microscope and look for this bulge?
I didn't make it up.
I told you what it would be, to demonstrate that your inability to see curvature over a tiny distance doesn't mean it isn't there.

You then took "order of" to mean exactly 1, and entirely misrepresented the math to incorrectly extrapolate to larger distances.

My God has evidence for his existence. He is said to have created all things.
And boldly proclaiming it made things does not make those things evidence for its existence.
You would need to demonstrate it actually made it, or explain how it helps. And it doesn't.

Again, there is evidence for the curve, there is none for your god.

You say there's a curve. I don't see it.
Because you don't want to see it.
You want to live in a fantasy land where Earth is flat and made by an evil POS just for us.
But I will stick to reality.

if I put an onion or pumpkin into a running sink.
How many times are you planning on repeating this pathetic lie?

No matter how much I walk or drive, I don't seem to have to adjust.
Why should you have to adjust?
Instead of just boldly appealing to some vague adjustment, try clearly explaining just what adjustment you think you would have to make and why.

Calling straight lines to center "random lines."
They are random lines. They have no physical basis.
They are just your attempt at dismissing reality.

You can't even show this bulge.
Again, go observe an object going over the horizon, disappearing from the bottom up.
Here is an example for you:
https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/toronto-768x768.jpg
See how the bottom is missing? That is the "bulge" of water blocking the view.

You naively think that a horizon is like a hill with a dip. But apparently you haven't taken a good look at a real hill
No. I recognise that Earth is round, so standing on Earth and looking towards the horizon is like standing at the top of a hill and looking down.
And looking at a distant object is like looking at an object on the other side of a hill.
As you have no rational response, you need to ridicule this.

It is not a dip in a hill. It is the angle of dip to the edge of the visible portion of the hill.

This isn't no dip. It's a convergence point.
Again, every time you say it is the vanishing point or convergence point or anything like that, you are lying.
That point is infinitely far away. It is NOT the horizon.
If it was going to be the horizon, the horizon would be at an angle of elevation of 0 degrees, rather than below it.
If it was going to be the cause of the horizon, things would shrink to a point, without the bottom vanishing, yet instead things disappear from the bottom up as if they are sinking into Earth.

Repeating the same pathetic lies just demonstrates your dishonesty. It does not help your case.

Again, pay attention to this image:

If your lies were true, the horizon would be where those red lines meet.
That is the vanishing point, where parallel lines meet.
But the horizon is NOT there. Instead, the horizon is below, clearly demonstrating the horizon is NOT the vanishing point.

So again, every time you boldly proclaim the horizon is the vanishing point you are blatantly lying and showing you care more about propping up your delusional fantasy than you care about the truth.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #688 on: September 21, 2023, 04:22:48 PM »

Actually... Most sailors

You have it backwards.

Or this guy wouldn’t have lost his bet.

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Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #689 on: September 22, 2023, 06:36:40 AM »
Actually... Most sailors use sea charts to navigate.
Yes, charts based upon a RE. Not a FE.

Sea charts don't make any assumption about the Earth.

https://map.openseamap.org/

It shows where rocks are. That's it. You are reading RE into this map. Just as I read FE into this map. But the truth is, until a map tries to "correct for a globe", it is completely neutral. The flat map can just as easily make a disc as a globe. Maybe stop trying to make raw data support your conclusions?

No, I object to your BS, including your dismissal of something based upon mountains you ignore because you don't like it.
That scientific consensus is based upon the evidence. Evidence you hate.

It's based on media cronyism and pressure to definance scientists who disagree. Not evidence.

https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/climate-news-coverage-conference/

Here the media is telling us they don't push hard enough to propagandize the public. I shudder.

There is consensus that the sky normally appears blue during the day.
Where are all the people holding virtually everyone at gunpoint for that?
No where.

Actually some scientists think the color blue doesn't exist, and it's a result of your eyes doing funny things with light. And one scientist named Wilhelm Reich thought the sky is blue from sexual energy. Consensus? No.

Whwn you can't even agree thar the sky is blue, how are you gonna agree about climate change? Indeed...
https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-the-public/when-consensus-climate-not-consensus
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At a very sparsely attended press briefing, this morning, Robinson reported that his organization had compiled a list of more than 30,000 scientists who have signed onto a petition saying that “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.

Golly, supposedly all scientists agree. But here's 30k scientists who very much do not agree.

The reason they can say there's a consensus has more to do with the fact that people who practice any kind of science (even totally unrelated to climate change) numbers about 8.8 million (some estimates say as high as 15 million). 30k is still not even 1% of the total number of scientists.

But there's a trick being played here. Because not all scientists are at all involved in the climate, you're asking "man on the street" opinions of people who are not actually in the field. You can get alot of marine biologists to tell you that the water is kinda polluted, but they don't necessarily know that the climate is in fact changing beyond that. Just that we have pollution.

You would have to find out two things:
(1) Did they actually ask 8.8 million people their opinion on climate change?
(2) What percent of this number of scientists actually dealing climate, and what percent is the opinion of random amateurs to the topic?

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Plenty of people trained the in the physical sciences have read climate-science papers or digested reviews of those papers and realize that the IPCC consensus statements’ conclusions are silly, at best, and dangerous at worst, Robinson said. If the IPCC’s conclusions are used to justify regulations that limit use of fossil fuels, this will deny many people across the globe of their “human rights” to a safe and affordable fuel to propel their societies’ growth and development, he charged.

When I (one of perhaps eight to 10 reporters in the audience) asked whether there were any climatologists who had signed the petition, Robinson said yes, 40 of them. Another 341 were meteorologists, and 114 were atmospheric scientists, he said. Add in environmental scientists and the total in this composite category jumps to 3,697. Some 900 were trained in computer science, math, or statistics. Roughly 9,900 were trained as engineers or in general science (whatever that means). An additional 5,690 were trained as physicists, 4,800 as chemists, and 2,923 as biochemists. Several thousand more were trained in still other fields. Of the total, roughly one-third said they held PhDs.

But there’s an important caveat. There’s been no vetting of the petition’s signers to confirm that they indeed trained in the field they claimed to have had. What’s more, Robinson’s group made no attempt to find out whether people worked in the field for which they trained. So someone educated as a physical chemist or computer scientist might actually be working today as a stock broker, pianist, or taxi driver.

The same is true of this 8.8 million "consensus" though. What percent of "scientists" who agree on this aren't real scientists?

I don't hate evidence. I hate "evidence." That is, I hate it when people tell me they've "refuted" me or that there is "evidence". When did you refute me? Where is this evidence? I think if I really pressed you, if there were even a bone of honesty in you, you'd admit "Okay I got nothing." But when you don't have evidence , you instead mock me and call me stupid/crazy.

Btw, the actual number they say who disagree with this "consensus" is 3%. This means there are either alot less real scientists than claimed, or alot more dissenters. And if we scrub the yes votes that do not work in a field relevant to climate change and it cannot be shown that their research  at least indirectly proves or disproves climate change (actual climate scientists), the number probably goes closer to 10-25%.

In science, you don't listen to the mob of consensus. You listen to the smartest people in the room. When the smartest people in the room tell you that whether or not climate is changing (I don't believe it is), the "solutions" make the problem far worse, you really ought to listen.

Meanwhile...
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/climate-change/the-bogus-consensus-argument-on-climate-change/
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I find it interesting that 2/3 of the abstracts did not take a position. So, taking into account David Friedman’s criticism above, and mine, Cook and Bedford, in summarizing their findings, should have said, “Of the approximately one-third of climate scientists writing on global warming who stated a position on the role of humans, 97% thought humans contribute somewhat to global warming.” That doesn’t quite have the same ring, does it?

(...)

And yet, at least if we review the original Cook et al. (2013) paper that kicked off the talking point, what they actually found was that of the sampled papers on climate change, only one-third of them expressed a view about its causes, and then of that subset, 97% agreed that humans were at least one cause of climate change.

97% of a third of scientists. The other 2/3 were probably afraid of losing their jobs.

Incidentally,
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Appelbaum shows the strangely high degree of consensus in the field of economics, including a 1979 survey of economists that “found 98 percent opposed rent controls, 97 percent opposed tariffs, 95 percent favored floating exchange rates, and 90 percent opposed minimum wage laws.”

(...)

Furthermore, a recent book review in The New Republic shows that when it comes to economic science, 97% consensus means nothing, if it doesn’t support progressive politics.

So uhhh, should we all oppose minimum wage since 90% in a survey opposed it?
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