The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?

  • 536 Replies
  • 57158 Views
*

Raist

  • The Elder Ones
  • 30590
  • The cat in the Matrix
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #510 on: August 11, 2010, 08:56:12 AM »

In truth the moon could not fall in FE theory. You are correct.

The Earth simply would accelerate up to the moon. Though in fairness using the right FOR this is also true in RE theory.
Gee, did all FEers settle on the UA? I thought wasn't settled. Why would the UA suddenly stop accelerating the Moon too? No, in no FoR would it be true in RET unless something magical happened.

The moon could hit a rock and fall past the bowshock. I don't know. Just because the reason wasn't expressly put doesn't make it "magic."

As for "not every fe'er agreeing on the UA" a person's belief does not determine physical reality no matter how many people share that belief.
Right, so a 'rock' hits the Moon came only happen in FE, is that your claim?

So you're saying that you get to chose whether FE include the UA or regular gravity then?

No, the very nature of the Universe dictates how the Universe works. I just explained that our opinions have no bearing on reality. Please keep up.

As for the rock hitting the moon, it has been shown conclusively that massive rocks can hit the moon in RE theory and no loss of stable orbit will occur. (the craters on the moon)
You claimed that the UA exists, not me. I guess when you claim something, we just have to assume that you're not speaking for anyone but yourself, and that you don't have the reasoning skills to do a good job at even that. For example, even in your last post we see:

That massive rocks can hit the Moon without the Moon losing its orbit doesn't mean that there has been no such rock ever in the history of the Solar System. You need to work on your deduction skills.

With any rock hitting the moon, the moon will change his momentum.
His orbit isnt stable anyway, it keeps changing while we speak. The moon is actually continually travelling away from the earth at whatever like one inch a year or so. Look it up at wikipedia, I cant be bothered. So saying "something will hit the moon and not make a difference at all" is simply wrong. You could however state "some small rock hitting the moon wont make a noticeable difference because the moon is so huge that this small rock would not make any noticable difference to the overall momentum".
Well anyway, if some massive rock hit the moon (say a tenth of the moons own mass) this would - depending on the speed of collision - actually have great impact on the moons orbit. This doesnt mean though, that after this moon would be thrown out of orbit completey - it may just have a (slightly) different orbit now.

So you admit, in practice, no rock has ever thrown the moon out of orbit despite the fact that a huge rock hit it?

As for your assertion that something the tenth of its size could destabilize it, I find that highly unlikely. The Earth is a) not big enough to pull the moon into itself very easily. b) The Earth was hit by a planet slightly smaller than it (a lot bigger than 1/10 our size) and we are still in orbit.

*

AdmiralAckbar

  • 523
  • Its a trap!
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #511 on: August 11, 2010, 09:05:13 AM »

In truth the moon could not fall in FE theory. You are correct.

The Earth simply would accelerate up to the moon. Though in fairness using the right FOR this is also true in RE theory.
Gee, did all FEers settle on the UA? I thought wasn't settled. Why would the UA suddenly stop accelerating the Moon too? No, in no FoR would it be true in RET unless something magical happened.

The moon could hit a rock and fall past the bowshock. I don't know. Just because the reason wasn't expressly put doesn't make it "magic."

As for "not every fe'er agreeing on the UA" a person's belief does not determine physical reality no matter how many people share that belief.
Right, so a 'rock' hits the Moon came only happen in FE, is that your claim?

So you're saying that you get to chose whether FE include the UA or regular gravity then?

No, the very nature of the Universe dictates how the Universe works. I just explained that our opinions have no bearing on reality. Please keep up.

As for the rock hitting the moon, it has been shown conclusively that massive rocks can hit the moon in RE theory and no loss of stable orbit will occur. (the craters on the moon)
You claimed that the UA exists, not me. I guess when you claim something, we just have to assume that you're not speaking for anyone but yourself, and that you don't have the reasoning skills to do a good job at even that. For example, even in your last post we see:

That massive rocks can hit the Moon without the Moon losing its orbit doesn't mean that there has been no such rock ever in the history of the Solar System. You need to work on your deduction skills.

With any rock hitting the moon, the moon will change his momentum.
His orbit isnt stable anyway, it keeps changing while we speak. The moon is actually continually travelling away from the earth at whatever like one inch a year or so. Look it up at wikipedia, I cant be bothered. So saying "something will hit the moon and not make a difference at all" is simply wrong. You could however state "some small rock hitting the moon wont make a noticeable difference because the moon is so huge that this small rock would not make any noticable difference to the overall momentum".
Well anyway, if some massive rock hit the moon (say a tenth of the moons own mass) this would - depending on the speed of collision - actually have great impact on the moons orbit. This doesnt mean though, that after this moon would be thrown out of orbit completey - it may just have a (slightly) different orbit now.

So you admit, in practice, no rock has ever thrown the moon out of orbit despite the fact that a huge rock hit it?

As for your assertion that something the tenth of its size could destabilize it, I find that highly unlikely. The Earth is a) not big enough to pull the moon into itself very easily. b) The Earth was hit by a planet slightly smaller than it (a lot bigger than 1/10 our size) and we are still in orbit.

Orbit could have re-stabalized 0.o?

*

Raist

  • The Elder Ones
  • 30590
  • The cat in the Matrix
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #512 on: August 11, 2010, 09:33:51 AM »

In truth the moon could not fall in FE theory. You are correct.

The Earth simply would accelerate up to the moon. Though in fairness using the right FOR this is also true in RE theory.
Gee, did all FEers settle on the UA? I thought wasn't settled. Why would the UA suddenly stop accelerating the Moon too? No, in no FoR would it be true in RET unless something magical happened.

The moon could hit a rock and fall past the bowshock. I don't know. Just because the reason wasn't expressly put doesn't make it "magic."

As for "not every fe'er agreeing on the UA" a person's belief does not determine physical reality no matter how many people share that belief.
Right, so a 'rock' hits the Moon came only happen in FE, is that your claim?

So you're saying that you get to chose whether FE include the UA or regular gravity then?

No, the very nature of the Universe dictates how the Universe works. I just explained that our opinions have no bearing on reality. Please keep up.

As for the rock hitting the moon, it has been shown conclusively that massive rocks can hit the moon in RE theory and no loss of stable orbit will occur. (the craters on the moon)
You claimed that the UA exists, not me. I guess when you claim something, we just have to assume that you're not speaking for anyone but yourself, and that you don't have the reasoning skills to do a good job at even that. For example, even in your last post we see:

That massive rocks can hit the Moon without the Moon losing its orbit doesn't mean that there has been no such rock ever in the history of the Solar System. You need to work on your deduction skills.

With any rock hitting the moon, the moon will change his momentum.
His orbit isnt stable anyway, it keeps changing while we speak. The moon is actually continually travelling away from the earth at whatever like one inch a year or so. Look it up at wikipedia, I cant be bothered. So saying "something will hit the moon and not make a difference at all" is simply wrong. You could however state "some small rock hitting the moon wont make a noticeable difference because the moon is so huge that this small rock would not make any noticable difference to the overall momentum".
Well anyway, if some massive rock hit the moon (say a tenth of the moons own mass) this would - depending on the speed of collision - actually have great impact on the moons orbit. This doesnt mean though, that after this moon would be thrown out of orbit completey - it may just have a (slightly) different orbit now.

So you admit, in practice, no rock has ever thrown the moon out of orbit despite the fact that a huge rock hit it?

As for your assertion that something the tenth of its size could destabilize it, I find that highly unlikely. The Earth is a) not big enough to pull the moon into itself very easily. b) The Earth was hit by a planet slightly smaller than it (a lot bigger than 1/10 our size) and we are still in orbit.

Orbit could have re-stabalized 0.o?

NO WAY!

We are discussing catastrophic loss of orbit. IE the moon slamming into the Earth. Or the Earth slamming into the sun.

*

AdmiralAckbar

  • 523
  • Its a trap!
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #513 on: August 11, 2010, 10:02:55 AM »

In truth the moon could not fall in FE theory. You are correct.

The Earth simply would accelerate up to the moon. Though in fairness using the right FOR this is also true in RE theory.
Gee, did all FEers settle on the UA? I thought wasn't settled. Why would the UA suddenly stop accelerating the Moon too? No, in no FoR would it be true in RET unless something magical happened.

The moon could hit a rock and fall past the bowshock. I don't know. Just because the reason wasn't expressly put doesn't make it "magic."

As for "not every fe'er agreeing on the UA" a person's belief does not determine physical reality no matter how many people share that belief.
Right, so a 'rock' hits the Moon came only happen in FE, is that your claim?

So you're saying that you get to chose whether FE include the UA or regular gravity then?

No, the very nature of the Universe dictates how the Universe works. I just explained that our opinions have no bearing on reality. Please keep up.

As for the rock hitting the moon, it has been shown conclusively that massive rocks can hit the moon in RE theory and no loss of stable orbit will occur. (the craters on the moon)
You claimed that the UA exists, not me. I guess when you claim something, we just have to assume that you're not speaking for anyone but yourself, and that you don't have the reasoning skills to do a good job at even that. For example, even in your last post we see:

That massive rocks can hit the Moon without the Moon losing its orbit doesn't mean that there has been no such rock ever in the history of the Solar System. You need to work on your deduction skills.

With any rock hitting the moon, the moon will change his momentum.
His orbit isnt stable anyway, it keeps changing while we speak. The moon is actually continually travelling away from the earth at whatever like one inch a year or so. Look it up at wikipedia, I cant be bothered. So saying "something will hit the moon and not make a difference at all" is simply wrong. You could however state "some small rock hitting the moon wont make a noticeable difference because the moon is so huge that this small rock would not make any noticable difference to the overall momentum".
Well anyway, if some massive rock hit the moon (say a tenth of the moons own mass) this would - depending on the speed of collision - actually have great impact on the moons orbit. This doesnt mean though, that after this moon would be thrown out of orbit completey - it may just have a (slightly) different orbit now.

So you admit, in practice, no rock has ever thrown the moon out of orbit despite the fact that a huge rock hit it?

As for your assertion that something the tenth of its size could destabilize it, I find that highly unlikely. The Earth is a) not big enough to pull the moon into itself very easily. b) The Earth was hit by a planet slightly smaller than it (a lot bigger than 1/10 our size) and we are still in orbit.

Orbit could have re-stabalized 0.o?

NO WAY!

We are discussing catastrophic loss of orbit. IE the moon slamming into the Earth. Or the Earth slamming into the sun.

Define catastrophic loss of orbit

*

Raist

  • The Elder Ones
  • 30590
  • The cat in the Matrix
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #514 on: August 11, 2010, 10:04:46 AM »

In truth the moon could not fall in FE theory. You are correct.

The Earth simply would accelerate up to the moon. Though in fairness using the right FOR this is also true in RE theory.
Gee, did all FEers settle on the UA? I thought wasn't settled. Why would the UA suddenly stop accelerating the Moon too? No, in no FoR would it be true in RET unless something magical happened.

The moon could hit a rock and fall past the bowshock. I don't know. Just because the reason wasn't expressly put doesn't make it "magic."

As for "not every fe'er agreeing on the UA" a person's belief does not determine physical reality no matter how many people share that belief.
Right, so a 'rock' hits the Moon came only happen in FE, is that your claim?

So you're saying that you get to chose whether FE include the UA or regular gravity then?

No, the very nature of the Universe dictates how the Universe works. I just explained that our opinions have no bearing on reality. Please keep up.

As for the rock hitting the moon, it has been shown conclusively that massive rocks can hit the moon in RE theory and no loss of stable orbit will occur. (the craters on the moon)
You claimed that the UA exists, not me. I guess when you claim something, we just have to assume that you're not speaking for anyone but yourself, and that you don't have the reasoning skills to do a good job at even that. For example, even in your last post we see:

That massive rocks can hit the Moon without the Moon losing its orbit doesn't mean that there has been no such rock ever in the history of the Solar System. You need to work on your deduction skills.

With any rock hitting the moon, the moon will change his momentum.
His orbit isnt stable anyway, it keeps changing while we speak. The moon is actually continually travelling away from the earth at whatever like one inch a year or so. Look it up at wikipedia, I cant be bothered. So saying "something will hit the moon and not make a difference at all" is simply wrong. You could however state "some small rock hitting the moon wont make a noticeable difference because the moon is so huge that this small rock would not make any noticable difference to the overall momentum".
Well anyway, if some massive rock hit the moon (say a tenth of the moons own mass) this would - depending on the speed of collision - actually have great impact on the moons orbit. This doesnt mean though, that after this moon would be thrown out of orbit completey - it may just have a (slightly) different orbit now.

So you admit, in practice, no rock has ever thrown the moon out of orbit despite the fact that a huge rock hit it?

As for your assertion that something the tenth of its size could destabilize it, I find that highly unlikely. The Earth is a) not big enough to pull the moon into itself very easily. b) The Earth was hit by a planet slightly smaller than it (a lot bigger than 1/10 our size) and we are still in orbit.

Orbit could have re-stabalized 0.o?

NO WAY!

We are discussing catastrophic loss of orbit. IE the moon slamming into the Earth. Or the Earth slamming into the sun.

Define catastrophic loss of orbit




Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #515 on: August 11, 2010, 10:26:45 AM »
clearly you didnt read or understood my post.

I said any rock would change the moons momentum. Hence any Rock would change the moons orbit, too. However there is no need to assume the moon would then crash into the earth or just fly away. Why cant the moon just keep orbiting the earth in a (slightly) different orbit?

Hence, lots of rocks and meteorites could have hit the moon, and changed the moons orbit, but not completely thrown it out of it. Even if that object was as large as the moon itself, depending on speed and point of collision the object(s) that we will have after such a collision could still orbit the earth.

I dont exactly know where we're going here.
English is not my mother tongue, please consider this when reading my posts.
Quote from: anteater7171
Quote
Why is australia excluded?
Because it is a lie propagated by the conspiracy (like gravity or sustained spaceflight).
I lived a lie

*

Raist

  • The Elder Ones
  • 30590
  • The cat in the Matrix
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #516 on: August 11, 2010, 10:43:14 AM »
clearly you didnt read or understood my post.

I said any rock would change the moons momentum. Hence any Rock would change the moons orbit, too. However there is no need to assume the moon would then crash into the earth or just fly away. Why cant the moon just keep orbiting the earth in a (slightly) different orbit?

Hence, lots of rocks and meteorites could have hit the moon, and changed the moons orbit, but not completely thrown it out of it. Even if that object was as large as the moon itself, depending on speed and point of collision the object(s) that we will have after such a collision could still orbit the earth.

I dont exactly know where we're going here.

I don't either, I was just answering the claim that a rock could throw the moon out of orbit enough to hit the Earth. I said it wasn't likely but you guys were dead set on proving it.

Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #517 on: August 13, 2010, 01:51:32 PM »
The playable area in Wind Waker is cut off at the edges of the map, yet the water continues... It's more likely that the area (which is very small) is just a small section of a larger world. I don't see anything in the game that leads me to believe it was made to have a flat earth.

*

EnglshGentleman

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 9548
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #518 on: August 29, 2010, 11:31:24 PM »
Chao World is a flat earth minigame.

Discuss.

?

General Disarray

  • Official Member
  • 5039
  • Magic specialist
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #519 on: August 30, 2010, 07:18:15 AM »
Chao World is a flat earth minigame.

Discuss.

Doesn't look very flat to me.
You don't want to make an enemy of me. I'm very powerful.

*

PizzaPlanet

  • 12169
  • google
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #520 on: August 30, 2010, 02:26:13 PM »
World of Warcraft features both a round and flat "Earth".


hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

?

General Disarray

  • Official Member
  • 5039
  • Magic specialist
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #521 on: August 30, 2010, 02:40:07 PM »
A flat map does not automatically signify that the developers of the game intended it to be flat.
You don't want to make an enemy of me. I'm very powerful.

*

PizzaPlanet

  • 12169
  • google
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #522 on: August 30, 2010, 02:45:57 PM »
A flat map does not automatically signify that the developers of the game intended it to be flat.
Yes, however Outland is, in fact, flat and finite. You can see the edge, and you can also fall off it.
Azeroth comes with a flat map, but it's clearly stated that it's spherical.
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

*

AdmiralAckbar

  • 523
  • Its a trap!
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #523 on: August 30, 2010, 03:13:40 PM »
A flat map does not automatically signify that the developers of the game intended it to be flat.
Yes, however Outland is, in fact, flat and finite. You can see the edge, and you can also fall off it.
Azeroth comes with a flat map, but it's clearly stated that it's spherical.
Gonna have to agree with PP on this. Fun times watching people get mind controlled into jumping off the edge to their death. Too bad Wow sucks now

*

EnglshGentleman

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 9548
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2010, 10:26:43 AM »
I can travel safely in Azeroth on my flat map. According to RE'ers, a round earth can not be accurate on a flat map, yet in Azeroth it is!

*

gotham

  • Planar Moderator
  • 3329
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #525 on: November 15, 2010, 11:01:10 AM »
I can travel safely in Azeroth on my flat map. According to RE'ers, a round earth can not be accurate on a flat map, yet in Azeroth it is!

There is a concept in science referred to as "correlation" that can be applied here and does back up your claim.

?

zork

  • 3319
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #526 on: November 15, 2010, 12:17:05 PM »
I can travel safely in Azeroth on my flat map. According to RE'ers, a round earth can not be accurate on a flat map, yet in Azeroth it is!
  Can you point out the Azeroth on the FE map which is in the FAQ section?
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
-
http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

?

Danukenator123

  • 520
  • My Alts: Parsifal
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #527 on: November 15, 2010, 12:37:16 PM »
World of Warcraft features both a round and flat "Earth".



Amazing, Blizzard can make a working Flat Earth map but the Flat Earth Society can't.


?

sillyrob

  • Official Member
  • 3771
  • Punk rawk.
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #528 on: November 16, 2010, 03:21:02 AM »
I cant believe this thread came back to life!

*

EnglshGentleman

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 9548
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #529 on: November 16, 2010, 08:43:07 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.

?

Danukenator123

  • 520
  • My Alts: Parsifal
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #530 on: November 16, 2010, 09:23:06 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.

Both are imaginary worlds so the ideas should be compatible.

*

EnglshGentleman

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 9548
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #531 on: November 16, 2010, 09:33:34 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.

It makes sense. Blizzard has many forces at it's disposal.

*

Death-T

  • 504
  • Conspiracy theories are my bread and butter.
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #532 on: November 16, 2010, 09:51:01 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.

It makes sense. Blizzard has many forces at it's disposal.

Ummmmmmm...... I don't get it. You quoted yourself.
" Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. " - Albert Einstein

" We are imperfect.  We cannot expect perfect government. "  ~William Howard Taft

*

Hessy

  • 1185
  • My alts: Edgeworth, any/all spambots
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #533 on: November 16, 2010, 09:57:34 AM »
I can travel safely in Azeroth on my flat map. According to RE'ers, a round earth can not be accurate on a flat map, yet in Azeroth it is!

A flat version of a Round map/globe/whatever will always be wrong (inconsistent with the Round map in some way).  However, it may be distorted (projected) in a way that allows for navigation.

*

EnglshGentleman

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 9548
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #534 on: November 16, 2010, 10:19:20 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.

It makes sense. Blizzard has many forces at it's disposal.

Ummmmmmm...... I don't get it. You quoted yourself.

Twas an afterthought.

Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #535 on: November 16, 2010, 10:22:42 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.

It makes sense. Blizzard has many forces at it's disposal.

Ummmmmmm...... I don't get it. You quoted yourself.

Twas an afterthought.
<points to the 'edit' function>
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

?

zork

  • 3319
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Windwaker --Flat earth video game?
« Reply #536 on: November 16, 2010, 10:33:23 AM »
It always does. :) This and the evolution one.

This is undoubtedly proof that if Azeroth can make a working flat map, so can we! Perhaps we should send them an email and ask them how the did it.
Don't make the fool out yourself with writing email. You can do a flat map of the round earth without any problems.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
-
http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.