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What we as FE'ers need to do

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ClockTower

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2010, 05:53:57 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
<yawn> So name one causal link in Science that is not based on correlation alone.

I would say much of computer science is based on input/output, cause/effect relations. Not a whole lot of correlation involved with programming and building a computer.
Non-responsive. Please answer the question. Don't confuse engineering with Science

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Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
What youwould it take for you to believe that mass causes objects to move toward each other?
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Fixed. Sorry.

How is engineering not a science?  ???

To convince me mass causes gravitational attraction, you would first have to prove the mechanism behind gravity.

Good luck with that.  ;)
Engineering is the application of Science.

Great, since no one can ever prove the mechanism behind gravity, you've demonstrated that you're quite closed-minded. QED
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
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EnglshGentleman

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM »
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
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ClockTower

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #92 on: November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
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EnglshGentleman

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #93 on: November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
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ClockTower

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #94 on: November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2010, 09:15:24 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.

I've verified that when I walk off the edge of a chair, that the earth rises up to meet me.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2010, 09:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.

I've verified that when I walk off the edge of a chair, that the earth rises up to meet me.

What a coincidence! I have verified experimentally that when I step off a chair, I fall down to meet the earth!
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vhu9644

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #97 on: November 15, 2010, 09:25:22 PM »
when i dropped an apple, which has mass, it fell onto earth, and when my friend in china dropped his glasses, which also has mass, it also hit earth. 

and i do think engineering is counted as science, becuase it is sciece to enegineer chemicals and such
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EnglshGentleman

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2010, 09:30:11 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.

I shall remember to remind you of this whenever you ask for proof from now on.
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markjo

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2010, 09:44:55 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.

I've verified that when I walk off the edge of a chair, that the earth rises up to meet me.

Sorry Tom, but the Equivalence Principle says that your test is inconclusive.
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zork

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #100 on: November 15, 2010, 10:49:11 PM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
To convince me mass causes gravitational attraction, you would first have to prove the mechanism behind gravity.
Why? What use you have for the mechanism behind the gravity? I understand then that to convince you that your girlfriend(if you have one) is mad at you you must at first understand the mechanism behind the emotions? Not just the reason why she did get mad at you. Good luck with you relationship then.
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EnglshGentleman

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #101 on: November 15, 2010, 11:36:15 PM »
Quote from: zork on November 15, 2010, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
To convince me mass causes gravitational attraction, you would first have to prove the mechanism behind gravity.
Why? What use you have for the mechanism behind the gravity? I understand then that to convince you that your girlfriend(if you have one) is mad at you you must at first understand the mechanism behind the emotions? Not just the reason why she did get mad at you. Good luck with you relationship then.

There is a large difference. I can understand what I did or what other factors caused my girlfriend to get angry at me. Currently it is impossible to understand why gravity makes stuff move.
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zork

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2010, 12:00:26 AM »
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: zork on November 15, 2010, 10:49:11 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
To convince me mass causes gravitational attraction, you would first have to prove the mechanism behind gravity.
Why? What use you have for the mechanism behind the gravity? I understand then that to convince you that your girlfriend(if you have one) is mad at you you must at first understand the mechanism behind the emotions? Not just the reason why she did get mad at you. Good luck with you relationship then.

There is a large difference. I can understand what I did or what other factors caused my girlfriend to get angry at me. Currently it is impossible to understand why gravity makes stuff move.
 No, it isn't. As the general "mechanism" behind the gravity is just mass so is the general "mechanism" behind the mood of your girlfriend your actions(sometimes). But the real mechanism behind the mood is somewhere deep, in the nerve/brain cells, emotions and who knows what else what we really don't know. So, if you insist that you must understand this another "mechanism" behind the gravity then by your logic you must also start to understand the "mechanism" for moods, how exactly they come from the nerves/braincells or who knows from where. Not just the correlation with your actions. It isn't sufficient as you said.
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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2010, 04:24:30 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.

I've verified that when I walk off the edge of a chair, that the earth rises up to meet me.
No, in your perspective that has happened, you haven't verified anything.
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ClockTower

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Re: What we as FE'ers need to do
« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2010, 04:42:30 AM »
Quote from: sillyrob on November 16, 2010, 04:24:30 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on November 15, 2010, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on November 15, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: EnglshGentleman on November 15, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
Asking for proof = someone is being closed-minded?  ???
Demanding proof before accepting anything = closed-minded

Which means you must be closed minded to UA existing since you always demand proof.
If so, I misspoke. I should have asked for verifiable objective evidence.

I've verified that when I walk off the edge of a chair, that the earth rises up to meet me.
No, in your perspective that has happened, you haven't verified anything.
This is just another case where an FEer made a conclusion without performing an experiment to eliminate the other possibilities. In this case Foucault's Pendulum or reading Ragulsky, "Determination of light velocity dependence on direction of propagation"?, Phys. Lett. A, 235 (1997), pg 125. and http://www.a-dogs-breakfast.8m.com/blank_1.html would do.
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Quote from: Tausami on March 13, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards
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