Do the FErs actively promote the FET IRL?

Quote from: Waste of Mind on July 12, 2009, 11:48:41 AM

I didn't say you were taught just RET. At the time of that debate, we were all in high school, so I hope that they remembered what they were taught. So no, I had the disadvantage of having no other FE'ers with me, and they had multiple years of education on RET.

  Sorry, there is no such thing as RET education. There is education which among many other things teaches that earth is round. I am aware that it really doesn't teach you always how exactly you can prove that earth is round(sometimes it does, people do something like eratosthenes experiment and other things) and if it teaches then most of us forget it soon and doesn't think about it because world operates correctly and there is no need for another world model. And I say it again, you just use others ignorance and maybe you have better thinking capabilities than others and could play your cards better. But I still cant bring myself to call it real arguing because this kind of arguing can't really go further from superficial. Because if anyone is really interested in FET then you can't refer him to any modern scientific work about that.

......What?

Did you observe him saying that he would do this? Because he said it right there. Are you calling him a liar? Don't try and dress this is up as anything other than what it is- you are accusing him of being unwilling to do what he has openly stated he is willing to do.

 It's harsh but yes, I can call him liar till he hasn't shown otherwise. Because I can also claim all kind of things here without any need to do them. Does that make me willing or capable of doing them if I just say it here on internet?

Quote from: zork on July 12, 2009, 11:56:10 AM

And again you emphasize the fact that FET people have no interest in publicity of their theory but other must do this if these others are interested.

For years I participated in public debate (though not regarding FET), and it has convinced me that public debate/discussion does not favour the best argument, but the best debator. Go to any debating society, and every week they'll have debates where one side is for and the other against a particular motion. The reason they have this setup is because they recognise that a good debator can argue any point, no matter how valid or invalid it may be.

That is why I personally believe that the debate is a better format for discussions of this (or any) nature.

 I see your point, but in my opinion the shape of the Earth isn't such subjective thing you can seriously debate for or against without any scientific research and only with your subjective opinions and thoughts. It's not really hard science then, it's rather philosophy then.

Quote from: zork on July 12, 2009, 11:56:10 AM

But I still cant bring myself to call it real arguing because this kind of arguing can't really go further from superficial. Because if anyone is really interested in FET then you can't refer him to any modern scientific work about that.

......What?

I guess you can refer me then to some modern scientific work about flat earth?

It's harsh but yes, I can call him liar till he hasn't shown otherwise. Because I can also claim all kind of things here without any need to do them. Does that make me willing or capable of doing them if I just say it here on internet?

No, you can't call him a liar. Just because he hasn't done something, does not mean he's not willing to. I have gone on record saying I would be willing to travel into space on behalf of FES if someone was willing to finance it. I'm not a liar just because I haven't been yet.

I see your point, but in my opinion the shape of the Earth isn't such subjective thing you can seriously debate for or against without any scientific research and only with your subjective opinions and thoughts. It's not really hard science then, it's rather philosophy then.

Then do some scientific research! We'll still be here when you get back.

No, you can't call him a liar. Just because he hasn't done something, does not mean he's not willing to. I have gone on record saying I would be willing to travel into space on behalf of FES if someone was willing to finance it. I'm not a liar just because I haven't been yet.

  And maybe you are and you say that only because there is no way for you to go on space in your lifetime. I can't know in any way if you are lying or not. I only know that you aren't done that and you don't do it in near future. You only say that you are willing. Looking from my side there is 50-50 chance for both, that you tell the truth or you lie.

Quote from: zork on July 12, 2009, 12:17:34 PM

I see your point, but in my opinion the shape of the Earth isn't such subjective thing you can seriously debate for or against without any scientific research and only with your subjective opinions and thoughts. It's not really hard science then, it's rather philosophy then.

Then do some scientific research! We'll still be here when you get back.

Others have done it already and I have no need to do it again. But I will be waiting when FE side can come up with something real. With something that everyone else can experience with same results and not only the person who thought thing up.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on July 12, 2009, 12:22:41 PM

No, you can't call him a liar. Just because he hasn't done something, does not mean he's not willing to. I have gone on record saying I would be willing to travel into space on behalf of FES if someone was willing to finance it. I'm not a liar just because I haven't been yet.

  And maybe you are and you say that only because there is no way for you to go on space in your lifetime. I can't know in any way if you are lying or not. I only know that you aren't done that and you don't do it in near future. You only say that you are willing. Looking from my side there is 50-50 chance for both, that you tell the truth or you lie.

Ok, but just because you don't know for certain that I am telling the truth, does not mean you have the right to assume I am a liar. The same goes for levee.

If I actually knew anything about the FET, I would gladly support it as much as I could.


Of course, those who know me wouldn't listen to a thing I say because I tend to be sarcastic about it.

But, its really true. I know.