Centripetal Force - A MUST READ

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Centripetal Force - A MUST READ
« on: June 25, 2006, 09:00:00 PM »
The centripetal force is the force needed to move an object in a circle at constant speed. Hence it is a force requirement, not a physical force in its own right. Any physical force (gravity, electrostatics, tension, friction, etc.) can be used to supply the centripetal force. The term centripetal force comes from the Latin words centrum ("center") and petere ("tend towards").

Objects moving in a straight line with constant speed have constant velocity and require no force to do so, since they experience no acceleration. However, an object moving in a circle at constant speed has a changing direction of motion. Since velocity is a vector with both speed and direction, a changing direction implies a changing velocity. The rate of this change in velocity is the centripetal acceleration.

The centripetal acceleration varies with the radius r of the circle and speed v, becoming larger for higher speed and smaller radius. More precisely, the centripetal acceleration is given by



where ω = v / r is the angular velocity. The direction of this acceleration is towards the center of the circle, i.e., opposite to the position vector \mathbf{r}. (We assume that the origin of \mathbf{r} is the center of the circle.)

By Newton's second law of motion F = ma, a physical force F must be applied to a mass m to produce this acceleration. The amount of force needed to move at speed v on a circle of radius r is exactly



where the formula has been written in several equivalent ways; here, \hat{\mathbf{r}} is the unit vector in the \mathbf{r} direction and \boldsymbol\omega is the angular velocity vector. If the applied force is less or more than Fc, the object will "slip outwards" or "slip inwards", moving on a larger or smaller circle, respectively.

If an object is traveling in a circle with a varying speed, its acceleration can be divided into two components, a radial acceleration (the centripetal acceleration that changes the direction of the velocity) and a tangential acceleration that changes the speed of the velocity.


EXAMPLE:

Examples

For an orbiting satellite, the centripetal force is supplied by the gravitational attraction between the satellite and its primary, and acts toward the center of mass which lies in the satellite's primary. For an object at the end of a rope rotating about a vertical axis, the centripetal force is the horizontal component of the tension of the rope which acts towards the axis of rotation. For a spinning object, internal tensile stress gives the centripetal force that holds the object together in one piece.

COMMON MISUNDERSTANDINGS:

Centripetal force should not be confused with centrifugal force. The centrifugal force is a fictitious force that arises from being in a rotating reference frame. To eliminate all such fictitious forces, one needs to be in a non-accelerating reference frame, i.e., in an inertial reference frame. Only then can one safely use Newton's laws of motion, such as F = ma.

Centripetal force should not be confused with central force, either. Central forces are a class of physical forces between two objects that meet two conditions: (1) their magnitude depends only on the distance between the two objects and (2) their direction points along the line connecting the two objects. Examples of central forces include the gravitational force between two masses and the electrostatic force between two charges. Central forces are physical forces, whereas the centripetal force is not. However, central forces are often used to meet the centripetal force requirement.

One derivation strategy is to use a polar coordinate system, assume a constant radius, and differentiate twice.

Let r(t) be a vector that describes the position of a point mass as a function of time. Since we are assuming uniform circular motion, let r(t) = R·ur, where R is a constant (the radius of the circle) and ur is the unit vector pointing from the origin to the point mass. In terms of Cartesian unit vectors:

    \mathbf{u_r} = cos(\theta)\mathbf{u_x} + sin(\theta)\mathbf{u_y} \,

Note: unlike in cartesian coordinates where the unit vectors are constants, in polar coordinates the direction of the unit vectors depend on the angle between the x_axis and the point being described; the angle θ.

So we differentiate to find velocity:

    \mathbf{v} = R \frac {d\mathbf{u_r}}{dt} \,

    \mathbf{v} = R \frac{d\theta}{dt} \mathbf{u_\theta} \,

    \mathbf{v} = R \omega \mathbf{u_\theta} \,

where ω is the angular velocity (just a short way of writing dθ/dt), uθ is the unit vector that is perpendicular to ur that points in the direction of increasing θ. In cartesian terms: uθ = -sin(θ) ux + cos(θ) uy

This result for the velocity is good because it matches our expectation that the velocity should be directed around the circle, and that the magnitude of the velocity should be ωR. Differentiating again, we find that the acceleration, a is:

    \mathbf{a} = R \left( \frac {d\omega}{dt} \mathbf{u_\theta} - \omega^2 \mathbf{u_r} \right) \,

Thus, the radial component of the acceleration is:

    a_r = -\omega^2 R \,

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2006, 09:01:42 PM »
I disagree.. Cite your sources ^^; no way you came up with that yourself.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2006, 09:02:52 PM »
The math hurts my brain.
b][size=24]The Earth Is A Sphere![/size][/b]

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2006, 09:05:29 PM »
Its obviously Wikipedia.

He even pasted the images for the formulas.
ttp://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/search.php

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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2006, 09:06:08 PM »
Quote from: "Mephistopheles"
Its obviously Wikipedia.

He even pasted the images for the formulas.


Duh.

And it proves the earth is round.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2006, 09:08:51 PM »
Lemme guess, Wikipedia is in on the conspiracy?

LMFAO FLAT EARTHERS.
b][size=24]THE EARTH IS A SPHERE.[/b][/size]

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Fayth

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2006, 09:10:49 PM »
PROVE IT.. I DONT BELIEVE.

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2006, 09:19:58 PM »
THE CENTRIPETAL FORCE PROVES THE EARTH IS A SPHERE.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2006, 09:58:41 PM »
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THE CENTRIPETAL FORCE PROVES THE EARTH IS A SPHERE.

How?  When I go around a corner in my car I am subjected to the same force.  However, neither my car nor I are spheres.


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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2006, 08:48:34 AM »
I'm not sure how this thread is even related to the question of the geometry of the Earth.  Justify, quickly, its presence here.
Why did the chicken cross the Möbius strip?

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2006, 11:12:01 AM »
Yes even myself, someone who loves to make extravagant and mathmatical posts about the spherical nature of the earth, can not figure out how this proves the earth is round. The model that is presented in the FAQ would not be effected by the centripetal force as the earth is not rotating, the sun and moon are. Here is their model of the earth:



Source: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1264


please relate this to the subject at hand, proving or dis-proving if the earth is flat. Seems like too good a post to waste.

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2006, 12:00:38 PM »
Quote from: "LeRabbit"
Lemme guess, Wikipedia is in on the conspiracy?

LMFAO FLAT EARTHERS.


What's wrong with Wikipedia?
ttp://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/search.php

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2006, 02:03:43 PM »
explain to me how the sun which is a seperate independant object that is roughly 109 times the diameter of earth orbits us? show me the math for that.

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2006, 02:16:54 PM »
Quote from: "Mephistopheles"
Quote from: "LeRabbit"
Lemme guess, Wikipedia is in on the conspiracy?

LMFAO FLAT EARTHERS.


What's wrong with Wikipedia?

I find that the EtherChan Wiki is usually more accurate.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2006, 02:47:18 PM »
Quote from: "nufan-madoshi"
explain to me how the sun which is a seperate independant object that is roughly 109 times the diameter of earth orbits us? show me the math for that.

The sun isn't 109 times the diameter of the earth. It's not even 1/1000th the diameter of the earth. Where did you get that crazy idea?

Edit: Sorry, it is a bit more than 1/1000th the diameter of the earth; the sun is around 1/750th the diameter.

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2006, 05:45:08 AM »
well the nature of centripetal force might make life a bit uncomfartable for the people who live in the "south" of the flat earth, they'd probably fall over statistically more often..... maybe that is why we think the Aussies are always drunk =)

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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2006, 11:11:17 AM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
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THE CENTRIPETAL FORCE PROVES THE EARTH IS A SPHERE.

How?  When I go around a corner in my car I am subjected to the same force.  However, neither my car nor I are spheres.

since we are subjected to this force, either A. the earth is round and spinning or B. if the earth is a disc, it is a disc spinning in space like such


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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2006, 11:14:22 AM »
Quote from: "DrQuak"
well the nature of centripetal force might make life a bit uncomfartable for the people who live in the "south" of the flat earth, they'd probably fall over statistically more often..... maybe that is why we think the Aussies are always drunk =)

i was just about to say, in order for the force to be evenly distributed, it'd probably be more like this...