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Re: UFO's
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2009, 08:22:58 PM »
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What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
i wouldn't be so quick to deny the existance of living things in the near vaccum of space. the apollo 12 lunar mission recoverd parts of surveryor 3 which landed on the moon a few years prior. when analayzed in a lab on earth it was found to have had bactirial contamination during its construction. these bactiria survived the entire voyage through space in a dormant state and where successfully reanimated when they were returned to earth.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2009, 08:34:29 PM »
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What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
i wouldn't be so quick to deny the existance of living things in the near vaccum of space. the apollo 12 lunar mission recoverd parts of surveryor 3 which landed on the moon a few years prior. when analayzed in a lab on earth it was found to have had bactirial contamination during its construction. these bactiria survived the entire voyage through space in a dormant state and where successfully reanimated when they were returned to earth.

Yes, I've heard about that. But there is a slight difference between bacteria and insects.

Re: UFO's
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2009, 09:43:48 PM »
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What we really mean
is that there is so little gas in space that we can't use it to breath.

Yes? I've read that. When I said there's no oxygen in space, I meant enough oxygen to breath in, since we're talking about living things here.
We can't breath in space, the same goes with fireflies.
i wouldn't be so quick to deny the existance of living things in the near vaccum of space. the apollo 12 lunar mission recoverd parts of surveryor 3 which landed on the moon a few years prior. when analayzed in a lab on earth it was found to have had bactirial contamination during its construction. these bactiria survived the entire voyage through space in a dormant state and where successfully reanimated when they were returned to earth.

Yes, I've heard about that. But there is a slight difference between bacteria and insects.
we may never know, what i am saying is that life is more robust then we tend to think.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2009, 09:50:32 PM »
They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
You've been to space and studied fireflies in that environment?

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2009, 01:30:29 AM »
They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
You've been to space and studied fireflies in that environment?

No, have you?

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2009, 12:24:15 PM »
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2009, 02:36:19 PM »
They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
You've been to space and studied fireflies in that environment?

No, have you?

Die!
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2009, 02:53:29 PM »
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.

Proof?

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2009, 04:07:29 PM »
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2009, 04:16:07 PM »
No, have you?
Was I making any claims?

They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2009, 05:25:20 PM by Soze »

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2009, 01:51:48 AM »
Yes, and you're absolutely wrong.

Proof?

Proof to the contrary?

You're the guys claiming that fireflies are in space. I don't have to prove a negative. It's your claim.
Now, go on, prove it. Oh, so you can't? Thought so.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2009, 01:55:46 AM »
No, have you?
Was I making any claims?

They need oxygen to live. There are no oxygen in space.

Let me be more precise, since you're pointing out semantics.
There is not enough oxygen in space for a firefly to breath.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2009, 02:20:05 AM »
Actually, there is adequate oxygen for fireflies to meet all their breathing requirements in space.  I can prove this. 

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2009, 02:46:50 AM »
New theory. The sun is not a spotlight, but rather a huge colony of fireflies.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2009, 02:49:03 AM »
Actually, there is adequate oxygen for fireflies to meet all their breathing requirements in space.  I can prove this. 

Go!
Even if there were, you also have to explain how the fireflies can get to space. :D

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2009, 02:53:20 AM »
Fireflies, like all insects, don't breathe.  They use diffusion to get oxygen to their cells.  Ergo, all their breathing requirements (0%) are met in full in any environment.  Also, I do not have to explain how fireflies get into space to prove they don't breathe.  That's like you asking me to explain how fish got on Jupiter to understand how gills work.  Preposterous.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2009, 03:06:02 AM »
Fireflies, like all insects, don't breathe.  They use diffusion to get oxygen to their cells.  Ergo, all their breathing requirements (0%) are met in full in any environment.  Also, I do not have to explain how fireflies get into space to prove they don't breathe.  That's like you asking me to explain how fish got on Jupiter to understand how gills work.  Preposterous. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion

That's not what I was asking you to do. I know they don't breath like we do, but they "breath" air. Not with lungs. The air goes into the tracheal tubes and passes through the system of branching trachea. The circulatory system of insects, like that of other arthropods, is open: the heart pumps the hemolymph through arteries to open spaces surrounding the organs; when the heart relaxes, the hemolymph seeps back into the heart.

Still, show how there is enough oxygen in space, and how they will survive a trip to space, and let us not forget, how they will survive in an almost 100% vacuum environment. In space, there are high-energy protons and electrons, ultraviolet radiation, atomic oxygen, high and low temperature extremes, hard vacuum, galactic cosmic radiation, micrometeors, man-made debris and a lot of other things as well.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2009, 03:10:56 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2009, 03:42:35 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2009, 04:47:22 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2009, 05:18:15 AM »
Still, show how there is enough oxygen in space

See: comets.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2009, 06:30:17 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2009, 06:33:54 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2009, 08:52:25 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

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« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2009, 09:24:02 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2009, 09:42:40 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2009, 09:46:09 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

No, that is what I said. You said it was impossible for them to exist up there.
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Re: UFO's
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2009, 09:47:29 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

So you never said they could live in space, just that they could live in space?
Is Dino open source?

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2009, 09:48:18 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

No, that is what I said. You said it was impossible for them to exist up there.

Ok, then I must correct myself. I meant exist, as in function normally, as in live normally in space.

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Re: UFO's
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2009, 09:49:16 AM »
No, you asked me to prove my statement.  I did exactly what you asked me to do.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that fireflies can exist in space.

Fireflies can exist in space.

How?

Why can't a firefly exist in space? If I were to put one there, it would be existing in space.

Because they can't live there. Are you planning on going to space?

Didn't we JUST determine that they could in fact live there? Or are you just wasting everyone's time with your standard obtuse answers again?  Make up your mind, douche-bag.

I never said they could live there. They could, however, exist there if we were to put some up there.

So you never said they could live in space, just that they could live in space?

lulwhat?