Flaws in FE model

The other big hurdle that makes this whole hypothesis akin to magic is that there is that space and the atmosphere above us should be so anisotropic that they can bend light in very complex three dimensional curves without a single telltale sign.

And if light bends, why are sun-beams dead straight?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fdecomite/284975040/

Perhaps light only bends before it reaches the atmo-plane, i.e. when it is in the "aether"?

DanielC is my hero.

I agree with Sentient Pizza:  DanielC, you are an hero to the REers!

Our resident "ham radio" expert JulianMartin has also been proposed as a hero:

"JulianMartin" is my new hero!

See:

Ham Radio and Moonbounce
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29694.0
08/06/2009+

For another damning piece of do-it-yourself evidence that The Earth is not flat.

Daniel, you should study astrophysics much more...you are just quoting ACCEPTED hypotheses, which have no proof behind them...on the contrary...here is the complete demolition of your conjecture (a nuclear powered sun):

Faint young sun paradox + Impossibility of a spherical shaped Sun:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29694.msg718434#msg718434

The correct Flat Earth Sun theory (not the 32 mile diameter, 3000 miles orbit quoted in the FAQ, which is completely wrong, as is the travelling FE at the speed of light):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg33410#msg33410
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg33509#msg33509
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg33520#msg33520
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg34143#msg34143

The True Size/Orbit of the Sun (Sun/Mercury-ISS transits):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=830.0

The complete destruction of the big bang hypothesis:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=551.0

Superstring pipe dream:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=551.msg24650#msg24650

The biggest hoax of the 20th century: General Relativity

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=601.0

Sun Neutrino Paradox/Solid Sun Surface Paradox/Cold Sun Paradox/Sun Coronal Heating Paradox:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg24704#msg24704

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg24705#msg24705

So you see Daniel...you have not studied this subject as you should have...

You want more?

The Case Against the Nuclear Atom:

http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/cana/index.htm (the catastrophic mistakes committed by both Rutherford and Bohr)

    
Chadwick's Neu(t)rons:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=894.0 (in 1932, J. Chadwick DID NOT DISCOVER ANYTHING, read his own words)

Quote from: Sentient Pizza on July 08, 2009, 07:23:59 AM

DanielC is my hero.

Quote from: ninja_com on July 08, 2009, 08:48:02 PM

I agree with Sentient Pizza:  DanielC, you are an hero to the REers!

Our resident "ham radio" expert JulianMartin has also been proposed as a hero:

Quote from: Skeptek on June 30, 2009, 01:12:10 PM

"JulianMartin" is my new hero!

See:

Ham Radio and Moonbounce
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29694.0
08/06/2009+

For another damning piece of do-it-yourself evidence that The Earth is not flat.

You are dreaming 3Tesla...I showed our friend Julian that his hypothesis is not correct; being taken by surprise, to see somebody who knows much more than himself on the subject, Julian was not able to say much more; I showed him that on a flat earth, the phenomenon thought by him to exist just on a spherical earth, will also take place very nicely; a spherical earth needs curvature and a theory with proofs behind it.

PS Daniel, you will never see light bending used as an explanation in my messages...

The True Size/Orbit of the Sun (Sun/Mercury-ISS transits):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=830.0

I only looked at one link that you posted, the one I have quoted.

Stunning science levee, absolutely stunning!

There are no 149.000.000 million kilometers between the Sun and the Earth; as these photographs clearly show, right behind the ISS/Atlantis is the Sun, at just a few kilometers in the background.

Between the ISS/Atlantis and the Sun are only a few kilometers and not the 148.999.600 kilometers we have been lied to with.

That bit in bold must be the most accurate bit of data I have ever seen for the earth/sun distance.

Stunning science!

squat, the videos speak for themselves...please read how nuclear energy COULD NOT POSSIBLY be the energy source for the sun...the other Sun Paradoxes...

It was well known since antiquity that the Sun measures only a few hundred meters in diameter...your mischevious use of the word science will not work with me...I have scientifically destroyed all your hopes of a gaseous nebula conjecture, which you need to reach a spherical earth, here it is in full splendour for all the squats of the world:

A spherically shaped star/planet would have been impossible to attain from the start.

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=551.0 (the complete demonstration that a supernova could not have produced any kind of rotating gaseous nebula)

Now, a gaseous nebula approaching the form of a disk involves several things. Because of the rotating motion of the whole nebula, a centrifugal force was in action, and we are told that parts of matter more on the periphery broke up into rings. Matter must have been concentrated in just a tiny sector of those rings, given the distance (the diameter) of the rings themselves (in our case, about 150 million kilometers).

Given the fact that there is no such thing as an attractive kind of gravitation (the complete demonstration here: http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=536.0 and http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=552.0 ), to get from a disk to a sphere, a tangential force of compression which would produce circumferential shortening/radial shrinkage (on the equatorial plane) would have been needed. To get from a disk (transversal cross section in the shape of an ellipse, with the eccentricity very close to unity, about 0.9995) to a sphere (eccentricity of about 0.314), given the centrifugal force of rotation, would have been impossible.

A rotating nebula could not produce satellites revolving in two directions (moons of Uranus, three of the satellites of Jupiter, 1 of Saturn, and one of Neptune). Venus rotates retrogradely, completely unexplained by modern science.

Being smaller than the Earth, the moon completed earlier the process of cooling and shrinkage and a has a lighter specific weight than the Earth. The moon was produced, it is assumed, from the superificial layers of the earth's body; this assumption means that the origin of the moon was not simultaneous with that of the earth; that is, the earth had to undergo a process of leveling (cooling) before the moon parted from the earth. Therefore, we are told that a stupendous collision took place between a heavenly body and the earth, but this collision MUST HAVE TAKEN PLACE AFTER THE EARTH COOLED DOWN, that is 3.9 billion years ago (4.6 billion years - gaseous nebula, 4.5 billion years - incandescent conglomerate of matter and elements). Such a collision would have melted completely the surface of the earth; this in sharp contrast with the facts we are told: 3.85 billion years ago, DNA appeared out of nowhere. Also, in the official storyline, this collision would have been responsible for the 23.5 degree tilt, but such a collision would have disrupted completely any axial rotation, not to mention the orbital motion.

And let us not forget the Minkowsky Space Time Continuum Hoax:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=537.0

Quote from: levee on July 09, 2009, 09:45:00 AM

The True Size/Orbit of the Sun (Sun/Mercury-ISS transits):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=830.0

I only looked at one link that you posted, the one I have quoted.

Stunning science levee, absolutely stunning!

Quote

There are no 149.000.000 million kilometers between the Sun and the Earth; as these photographs clearly show, right behind the ISS/Atlantis is the Sun, at just a few kilometers in the background.

Between the ISS/Atlantis and the Sun are only a few kilometers and not the 148.999.600 kilometers we have been lied to with.

That bit in bold must be the most accurate bit of data I have ever seen for the earth/sun distance.

Stunning science!

Only an idiot would believe that you could measure relative distances away from a camera using a single photograph.

(Because you can't given that there is no depth of field - all objects are compressed into a single plane.)

You may be interetsed to know that the people who do sub-titles for TV programmes in the UK use (!) to indicate sarcasm.

As in: stunning science yet again, Levee(!)

You are dreaming 3Tesla...I showed our friend Julian that his hypothesis is not correct; being taken by surprise, to see somebody who knows much more than himself on the subject, Julian was not able to say much more;

Actually your attempts at refuting his evidence (for trans-global radio wave propagation) were so feeble, badly thought-out and badly presented that he probably just chose to ignore them as being irrelevant (I know I did).

Please read much more carefully, since you have not done so up until now, re: no attractive gravity:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=536.0 and http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=552.0

EDIT: I included by mistake a comment in 3Tesla's message, which was meant to be removed...levee...

Given the fact that there is no such thing as an attractive kind of gravitation

This is way off-topic, but Levee is an expert at hijacking threads.

If there "is no such thing as an attractive kind of gravitation" ...

Please explain the well-reproduced results of The Cavendish Experiment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment

Maybe you had idiots in your family...you must truly be stupide to believe in a spherical earth...

Have you read the big bang/superstring impossibility links? Why are you behaving like a fucked-up imbecile then? Have I ever made statements which I was not able to prove afterwards?

Let us bring here the whole thing here then:

You have already seen the photographs, now here are the videos: the Iss/Mercury Sun transits









Flat Earth Society members need to understand that to continue to present in public the false supporting theory, that of a 50 km (diameter) Sun, which would orbit at an altitude of 3000 miles (4800 km) is to invite disaster and contempt; the Earth IS flat, but if the supporting theory is false then nobody will pay attention. Also, as I have shown here, the Earth is completely stationary; the false theory, that of an Earth travelling at the speed of light through the cosmos, has to be removed and deleted (not to mention the wall of ice which does not exist, in Antarctica).

As we can see here, the Sun is right behind (perhaps 1-1 1/2 km distance) the Iss/Mercury, with a diameter of between 1.6 - 2.6 km, which is the correct theory.

The following incredible photographs, taken by Thierry Legault and David Cortner (shown on CNN and other massmedia outlets), offer the true distance from the Sun to the International Space Station (ISS)/Atlantis shuttle.

There are no 149.000.000 million kilometers between the Sun and the Earth; as these photographs clearly show, right behind the ISS/Atlantis is the Sun, at just a few kilometers in the background.

Between the ISS/Atlantis and the Sun are only a few kilometers and not the 148.999.600 kilometers we have been lied to with.

http://www.astrophoto.fr/iss_shuttle_crop.jpg

http://www.astrophoto.fr/iss_shuttle_50.jpg

The next two photographs show exactly the same distance from Venus/Mercury to the Sun, as in the photographs taken with ISS/Atlantis shuttle, and moreover, the same dimensions, of just 50-75 meters in diameter; it was well known in the ancient world that the stars are very small (with the exception of Jupiter, Sirius B-Saturn, and the heavenly bodies which cause the Moon and the Sun eclipses, Rahu and Ketu).

The ISS/Atlantis station/shuttle are maneuvered by remote control, because of the radiation no astronauts can be aboard; the entire space shuttle program has been faked since 1979; ISS/Atlantis use the Cosmic Ray Device of Nikola Tesla to orbit above the earth (as do all other satellites, whether geostationary or orbital).

http://www.davidcortner.com/astro/vtransit/asd_1470ct.jpg

http://members.chello.at/merkur/Merkurtransit_7Mai10h52_NehGen.jpg


Other Venus/Mercury, ISS/Atlantis Sun Transit photographs which confirm the information offerred above:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~zhuxj/astro/images/sun/mts030507d.jpg
http://www.petealbrecht.com/astrophotos/Sun%20Mercury%20Transit__0002.jpg

http://lakdiva.org/2004egypt/transit/venus_sun1.jpg


http://www.badastronomy.com/pix/bablog/2006/iss_suntransit2.jpg
http://adamkapler.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/international-space-station-and-atlantis.jpg
http://www.geofffox.com/MT/images/shuttle-iss-sun.jpg

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0609/iss_shuttle_legault_c88.jpg

http://www.esa.int/images/iss_shuttle_legault_f_L.jpg

Squat, where is the 149000000 km distance betwee the Sun and the ISS? Are youblind? Can you imagine how a real distance of 149000000 would look on a photograph or a video?

levee, why do you keep quoting threads on the .net site? Are you lonely over there?

For what it's worth I am not a scientist so any criticisms I make come from a layman's point of view. Now if I think your crazy . . .     

Venus rotates retrogradely, completely unexplained by modern science.

Completely unexplained?

Tidal forces seems to be a reasonable explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus#Orbit_and_rotation

A rotating nebula could not produce satellites revolving in two directions (moons of Uranus, three of the satellites of Jupiter, 1 of Saturn, and one of Neptune). Venus rotates retrogradely, completely unexplained by modern science.

Why do you assume that those moons in question were formed together with their host planets?  Why could those counter orbiting moons not have been captured at some other time in those planets' histories?

You are dreaming 3Tesla...I showed our friend Julian that his hypothesis is not correct; being taken by surprise, to see somebody who knows much more than himself on the subject, Julian was not able to say much more;

Actually your attempts at refuting his evidence (for trans-global radio wave propagation) were so feeble, badly thought-out and badly presented that he probably just chose to ignore them as being irrelevant (I know I did).

3Tesla, you are eating **** big time...I have completely destroyed Julian's conjecture in that thread...he was not able to say anything more...on a flat earth his proposed theory will work just as fine...shut the **** up otherwise...

Please read much more carefully, since you have not done so up until now, re: no attractive gravity:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=536.0 and http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=552.0

3TESLA, CAN YOU REALLY BE THAT STUPIDE? Do you understand what a retrograde orbit involves? There must have a collision which changed the original orbit, such a collision would have completely melted the surface, pulverized the whole planet, and would have completely destroyed the orbital motion, not to mention the axial rotation...

Maybe you had idiots in your family...you must truly be stupide to believe in a spherical earth...

I'm not the one who thinks you can measure distances away from a camera with a single photo!

Squat, you fucker, where is the 149000000 km distance betwee the Sun and the ISS? Are you fucking blind? Can you imagine how a real distance of 149000000 would look on a photograph or a video? You are truly the most idiotic participant in this thread...GTF out!

Where have you quoted the precise distance YOU measured?  Please define "a few kilometres", there's a good chap.

FLAME ON! - johny storm-

Levee: I'm sorry to say that you have not prooved anything. I read through your links and the info within those links and so on.

a - you cant use books like the bible as reference of any kind. you cant do it. stop it. any book where people in one chapter claim to have been withness to magic or a god in one chapter can not be taken a serious in any other chapter.

b - every scientific concept (including GR and all that other stuff in your links) that is still in development has flaws and holes in it. untill prooven and accepted as law there will always be evidence against them. and some even after they are proven will be revised and expanded on.

c- FES threads stating the they are right can not be used as evidence. also every thread you posted only works for your agruements as long as the reader only reads the intended message. every one of those was shot full of holes before and after the intended post fro us to see.

DanielC and JulianMartin are just the most recent two members to shoot down FET completley. FEers on this forrum dont even believe. it is a mental exercise for them. Can we pleas get back to civilised debate without miles of links to read? Levee do you have something original to say about the topic at hand? or would youlike to continue posting everyone elses stuff?

I have completely destroyed Julian's conjecture in that thread...

Only in your own mind ...

on a flat earth his proposed theory will work just as fine...

I don't recal you giving even one diagram to back up your ideas.

shut the fuck up otherwise...

I have been censured for responding to personal criticism once already today, so I will not rise to that.

Perhaps the mods will take appropriate action re your your uncalled-for profane language.

Maybe you had idiots in your family...you must truly be stupide to believe in a spherical earth...

Have you read the big bang/superstring impossibility links? Why are you behaving like a fucked-up imbecile then? Have I ever made statements which I was not able to prove afterwards?

*snip*

Squat, you fucker, where is the 149000000 km distance betwee the Sun and the ISS? Are you fucking blind? Can you imagine how a real distance of 149000000 would look on a photograph or a video? You are truly the most idiotic participant in this thread...GTF out!

I'm sorry Levee, but this sort of personal abuse it not appropriate on the serious discussion boards.  Being a mod, you should know better.

markjo, you wrote an intelligent message...thanks...there is no way to capture a planet/satellite, please read the special section dedicated to this subject in the Impossibility of the Big Bang thread...

Here are my responses to Julian, which took care of that thread:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29694.msg718430#msg718430
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29694.msg719841#msg719841

squat...look carefully at the comparison of the Mercury/Iss transits photos and especially the videos...same distance, about the same diameter...this was well known since antiquity...if you believe in a spherical earth, you must explain how the atmosphere rotates at the same speed as that of the earth itself, can you do that?

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=1143.0 (stationary earth/cloud trajectories)

squat...you have not read 100 mathematics volumes in your whole life...but you have the audacity to come here and comment...

3Tesla, leave the diagrams aside...I was able to clearly state to Julian the facts, that on a flat earth the same thing will take place, as he described for the spherical earth conjecture...the Tunguska explosion of 1908 proves clearly that we are on a flat earth...

markjo, I respond in the same language as that which I am spoken to...I am showing the man videos and photos and he uses foul language to respond to me...

markjo, I respond in the same language as that which I am spoken to...

That is not true.

You swore at me when I had not sworn at you.

Levee, you have reached new lows in logic on this forum, which is no small feat in a place where logic is often in short supply.

Please do realize that, as others have said before me, your credibility is nil and you are your own worst enemy.  It is borderline comical to skim your posts.

But please don't let any of this stop you from digging up more family vacation photos from the internet and posting them as your version of proof of a flat earth.  I do so look forward to them.

Also, the language and attacks are uncalled for, and only serve to destroy what little credibility you had left.

markjo, I respond in the same language as that which I am spoken to...

You are very good at quoting levee. Please quote where I have used language at you similar to what you have used at me. I won't quote your words, they are still there on the last post of the previous page.

Now be a good moderator and moderate yourself. Thank you.

3Tesla, leave the diagrams aside...I was able to clearly state to Julian the facts, that on a flat earth the same thing will take place, as he described for the spherical earth conjecture...

For example:

Also, on a flat earth, we have the Schumann cavity resonances, that is, the space between the surface of the flat Earth and the conductive ionosphere (acting as a closed waveguide). Just above the ionosphere we have the first Dome, as is well known in our flat earth theory now.

An electrical signal will circumnavigate above a flat earth, just as easily as it could around a spherical earth.

Without a reasonable diagram all of that is just pure conjecture.

JulianMartin provided diagarams but you didn't - why?

seriously.... how is this Levee guy a mod on this forrum? This guy jumped right in the middel of this thread, hijacked it, started flaming, and now is making accusations about others.

Levee, I'll ask it again cause you probably missed it in the middel of your ranting: Do you have anything original to add to the OP and discussion? - or would you like to continue endlessly quoting other peoples ideas and content?

Personally I would like to get back to the topic.

markjo, I respond in the same language as that which I am spoken to...I am showing the man videos and photos and he uses foul language to respond to me...

I'm sorry Levee but I didn't see 3 Tesla or Squat use any profanity aimed in your general direction.  Mods are supposed to keep the peace, not escalate the name calling.  And editing other people's posts is generally considered bad form as well.

3Tesla, is that the tactic you use here? Read carefully your responses to me: insult after insult, with no scientific discussion. If you talk nicely to me, I will do likewise, you accuse me of false things, I will take care of things, as you know...

equinox, your message amount to very little...I am sorry...all those photographs prove one thing very clearly: there is no curvature at the surface of the Earth...no matter what you say...look carefully at the Port Credit photos...no curvature whatsoever...

So far, I have the best credibility here, because I am able to prove what I say, read my first message here and you will see it is so.

squat, use the word idiot to describe yourself, and your mediocre belief in the round earth theory...here, you have to prove something scientifically...

3Tesla, julian words are pure conjecture, until he is able to prove the earth is round; I have proved already it is flat, therefore, my description is not a conjecture, don't try stuff like that with me, that is, to draw up diagrams, we are not in kindergarten here...

sentient pizza, here is the my first message completely on the subject:

Daniel, you should study astrophysics much more...you are just quoting ACCEPTED hypotheses, which have no proof behind them...on the contrary...here is the complete demolition of your conjecture (a nuclear powered sun):

Faint young sun paradox + Impossibility of a spherical shaped Sun:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29694.msg718434#msg718434

The correct Flat Earth Sun theory (not the 32 mile diameter, 3000 miles orbit quoted in the FAQ, which is completely wrong, as is the travelling FE at the speed of light):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg33410#msg33410
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg33509#msg33509
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg33520#msg33520
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=544.msg34143#msg34143

The True Size/Orbit of the Sun (Sun/Mercury-ISS transits):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=830.0

The complete destruction of the big bang hypothesis:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=551.0

Superstring pipe dream:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=551.msg24650#msg24650

The biggest hoax of the 20th century: General Relativity

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=601.0

Sun Neutrino Paradox/Solid Sun Surface Paradox/Cold Sun Paradox/Sun Coronal Heating Paradox:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg24704#msg24704

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg24705#msg24705

So you see Daniel...you have not studied this subject as you should have...

You want more?

The Case Against the Nuclear Atom:

http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/cana/index.htm (the catastrophic mistakes committed by both Rutherford and Bohr)

    
Chadwick's Neu(t)rons:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=894.0 (in 1932, J. Chadwick DID NOT DISCOVER ANYTHING, read his own words)

The reason YOU ARE TROLLING (you meaning the whole lot of you) this thread and using foul language, is to divert attention from the fact that I know astrophysics much better than you, and can and am able to respond to Daniel. This has been your tactic in all the other threads here.

markjo, read the messages...look at the insults used by squat, 3Tesla...

Now, I will wait until Daniel comes back, if he has anything to say...please continue your discussion without me...if that is what you want...

markjo, read the messages...look at the insults used by squat, 3Tesla...

I did.  This is the closest to an insult that I could find before you started with the profanity:

Only an idiot would believe that you could measure relative distances away from a camera using a single photograph.

(Because you can't given that there is no depth of field - all objects are compressed into a single plane.)

I still say that your response was not appropriate.  If you can't keep you temper, then you shouldn't be a mod.

Now, I will wait until Daniel comes back, if he has anything to say...please continue your discussion without me...if that is what you want...

so ..... no you don't have anything original to add. and you are going to continue to post other peoples content at infinium.

I dont think we want you to leave, what we want is for you to contribute with your own information and keep it clean. mile long posts full of links does not work. pick a thing and work on that. then pick another and work on that. That method can be followed and debated. Using a "shotgun" typ posting method allongside flaming, will only get the results you have seen for the last page or so.