Ice Wall Question

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Ice Wall Question
« on: July 03, 2009, 02:50:57 AM »
I have a question about the Ice Wall.

Not one of the usual ?It can?t be that high, ice isn?t that strong? or ?It must be higher or the air would all fall out?

Mine is a much simpler question.

Since apparently no-one outside of the ?conspiracy? has ever seen it and lived to tell the tale, how do we know it?s 150 feet high.

Where did this arbitrary height come from. Did someone just make it up? Is there some sort of scientific assumption being made here? Has someone claimed to have seen it from a distance and calculated it?

I did search for ?Ice wall height? but didn?t find anything that satisfied my query

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 03:01:24 AM »
Many have seen of it. Most of them simply refer to it as "Antarctica".
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 03:22:26 AM »
I?m afraid I don?t quite follow.

According to FE, no-one has been on Antarctica, everyone that says they have is a liar/part of the conspiracy/other weak attempt to disprove RE.

But people have been able to get close enough to see it? Without clocking the guard towers and armed guards? What about the sky, what colour is the sky beyond the ice wall? Surely they?d notice if it was dark, no?

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 03:24:49 AM »
According to FE, no-one has been on Antarctica, everyone that says they have is a liar/part of the conspiracy/other weak attempt to disprove RE.

I don't think many FEers would agree with you on that one.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 03:27:20 AM »
The other part of the post too difficult for you? Just thought you'd ignore it yeah?

Well done.

So what do FE'ers think on the subject, please, do share your views.

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 03:28:55 AM »
The other part of the post too difficult for you? Just thought you'd ignore it yeah?

No, it's just a ridiculous question. The sky is whatever colour it was observed to be; most likely blue, white and black at different times. Perhaps red also.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 03:33:02 AM »
It's a ridiculous question?

You believe the earth is a flat disc, with spotlights hovering above it radiating hot and cold light, and me asking what colour the sky is in space is a ridiculous question?

I was under the impression that outside of the ice wall was space, but does the earth, and therefore "atmosphere" continue on?

I looked at the FAQ's, but after:

Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"

A:  Well, it looks that way up close.


I just couldn't take it seriously.

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 03:34:52 AM »
You believe the earth is a flat disc, with spotlights hovering above it radiating hot and cold light, and me asking what colour the sky is in space is a ridiculous question?

Yes. Also, I don't like the concept of hot and cold light. I don't know who came up with it, but it seems far-fetched to me.

I was under the impression that outside of the ice wall was space, but does the earth, and therefore "atmosphere" continue on?

Depends who you ask. FET is divided on this issue.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 03:41:55 AM »

Also, I don't like the concept of hot and cold light. I don't know who came up with it, but it seems far-fetched to me.


But you like the idea of 'bendy' light. If bendy light is not far fetched, why should hot and cold light be? Do you doubt your senses?

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 03:46:26 AM »
But you like the idea of 'bendy' light. If bendy light is not far fetched, why should hot and cold light be? Do you doubt your senses?

EA theory attempts to explain the behaviour of the force on a photon due to Dark Energy; the hypothesis regarding hot and cold light gives no reason for the difference.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 03:51:21 AM »
But you like the idea of 'bendy' light. If bendy light is not far fetched, why should hot and cold light be? Do you doubt your senses?

EA theory attempts to explain the behaviour of the force on a photon due to Dark Energy; the hypothesis regarding hot and cold light gives no reason for the difference.

Why would Dark Energy be the force acting on a photon but gravitation acting on a tape measure?

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009, 04:23:17 AM »
Why would Dark Energy be the force acting on a photon but gravitation acting on a tape measure?

A photon is not a tape measure.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 04:25:52 AM »
Why would Dark Energy be the force acting on a photon but gravitation acting on a tape measure?

A photon is not a tape measure.

Do these different forces act on different objects independently?

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2009, 04:34:09 AM »
Do these different forces act on different objects independently?

Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force; it is not truly a force. Dark Energy accelerates the Earth upward, and also causes light to bend.
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009, 04:36:59 AM »
Do these different forces act on different objects independently?

Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force; it is not truly a force. Dark Energy accelerates the Earth upward, and also causes light to bend.

So what force what cause a stretched out tape measure to sag in the middle?

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2009, 04:40:50 AM »
So what force what cause a stretched out tape measure to sag in the middle?

The true force is that of the upward accelerating points on each end. However, it is computationally simpler to consider the end points as fixed in a non-inertial frame of reference.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2009, 04:53:33 AM »
Do these different forces act on different objects independently?

Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force; it is not truly a force. Dark Energy accelerates the Earth upward, and also causes light to bend.
Seriously, take a physics course. A fundimental force in physics cannot be fictitious.
How do you know that dark energy does this? Where's that evidence?
At least with gravity we can know how much effect it will have based on the mass of a given object and it's distance to other objects.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2009, 06:23:14 AM »
So what force what cause a stretched out tape measure to sag in the middle?

The true force is that of the upward accelerating points on each end. However, it is computationally simpler to consider the end points as fixed in a non-inertial frame of reference.

LOL 


No, Dark Energy provides a source of constant upward acceleration equivalent to 9.8 m s-2.


I disagree; gravitation will cause it to sag.


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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2009, 03:40:34 AM »
Do these different forces act on different objects independently?

Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force; it is not truly a force. Dark Energy accelerates the Earth upward, and also causes light to bend.
Seriously, take a physics course. A fundimental force in physics cannot be fictitious.

Yes it can. Einstein realised that acceleration and gravitation are locally indistinguishable It's one of the central points of General Relativity.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2009, 04:39:10 AM »
Seriously, take a physics course. A fundimental force in physics cannot be fictitious.

Gravitation is not a fundamental force.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2009, 05:02:58 AM »
Seriously, take a physics course. A fundimental force in physics cannot be fictitious.

Gravitation is not a fundamental force.

But it does exist though?

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2009, 05:44:38 AM »
But it does exist though?

In the same sense as centrifugal force exists. That is, it is a useful construct to simplify calculations when working in a particular subset of the Universe, but there is no real significance to it - except possibly that mass distorts spacetime.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2009, 05:50:36 AM »
But it does exist though?

. . .  but there is no real significance to it . . .

There is considerable significance to it if it is going to make your tape measure sag in the middle and make your experiment more difficult to set up. Wouldn't you agree?

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2009, 07:26:34 AM »
There is considerable significance to it if it is going to make your tape measure sag in the middle and make your experiment more difficult to set up. Wouldn't you agree?

The tape measure only appears to sag to us because we are observing it in three dimensions; the full picture is four dimensional. This is comparable to viewing a section of a cone in two dimensions by looking at its locus of intersection with a plane; what you see depends heavily on your frame of reference and you do not get the full picture without stepping into a higher order of observation.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2009, 09:46:17 AM »
Do these different forces act on different objects independently?

Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force...

Until you look at orbits.
Plus, who has seen the ice wall?
If all non-believers have been shot, and the only one's who know are part of a conspiracy, they wouldn't admit it's existence. So who has seen it and spoken about it?

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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2009, 09:48:23 AM »
Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force...

Until you look at orbits.

How do orbits show otherwise?

Plus, who has seen the ice wall?
If all non-believers have been shot, and the only one's who know are part of a conspiracy, they wouldn't admit it's existence. So who has seen it and spoken about it?

For the fucking hundredth time, the Ice Wall is Antarctica, and many people have indeed visited it.
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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2009, 09:51:05 AM »
Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force...

Until you look at orbits.

How do orbits show otherwise?

Plus, who has seen the ice wall?
If all non-believers have been shot, and the only one's who know are part of a conspiracy, they wouldn't admit it's existence. So who has seen it and spoken about it?

For the fucking hundredth time, the Ice Wall is Antarctica, and many people have indeed visited it.

Please read the FAQ

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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2009, 09:53:44 AM »
Please read the FAQ

I have read the FAQ, and I am dissatisfied with some of its content. It was revised a while back as I recall, and I actually think the revision did it more harm than good.
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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2009, 10:04:13 AM »
Gravitation is a fictitious (inertial) force...

Until you look at orbits.

How do orbits show otherwise?

Plus, who has seen the ice wall?
If all non-believers have been shot, and the only one's who know are part of a conspiracy, they wouldn't admit it's existence. So who has seen it and spoken about it?

For the fucking hundredth time, the Ice Wall is Antarctica, and many people have indeed visited it.

Read the FAQ. Antarctica is a continent. The Ice WALL is a wall of ice 150ft tall, with what is beyond it unknown, guarded by snipers and killer penguins, and is part of a hilariously far fetched, elaborate conspiracy.

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Re: Ice Wall Question
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2009, 10:06:32 AM »
guarded by snipers and killer penguins, and is part of a hilariously far fetched, elaborate conspiracy.

This part is a load of crap and I cannot respect any FE believer who truly thinks that this is the case. The Ice Wall is simply the FE name for Antarctica. It is called an Ice Wall because it extends around the edge of the Earth.
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