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Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE-Theory.

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Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE-Theory.
« on: June 26, 2009, 04:41:37 AM »
The fact that FET accepts "acceleration" as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.

The so-called "acceleration" would have to be constant. The definition of "acceleration" is the changing of velocity, therefore not constant.

Second, FET of constantly falling would result in a zero-gravity environment. Like in air-plane simulators.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/zerog.html


And we're not falling upside down. That would be preposterous!
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 04:41:37 AM
The definition of "acceleration" is the changing of velocity, therefore not constant.

Acceleration can be and often is constant.

If I drop a ball in a long vacuum tube - i.e. no air resitance - then it will accelerate downwards at approximately 10 metres per second per second.

Whilst the balls downward velocity is changing (0 m/s at 0 s, 10 m/s at 1 s, 20 m/s at 2 s, etc. following v = u + at) ...

The accelaration - the rate of change of velocity - is always the same.

Or: whilst dS/dt changes, dv/dt or dS^2/dt does not.

That constant accelration is either due to gravity in RET, or "The Universal Accelarator Field" in FET.

And Einstein says that the two are equivalent (Equivalence Priniciple).
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 05:58:29 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 04:41:37 AM

The so-called "acceleration" would have to be constant. The definition of "acceleration" is the changing of velocity, therefore not constant.


You mean the rate of change of velocity. Quite frequently a constant I'm afraid...!
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2009, 06:11:56 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
Acceleration can be and often is constant.
Not according to the English language, and since you are writing in English I suggest you use it correctly.

ac⋅cel⋅er⋅a⋅tion

1.    the act of accelerating; increase of speed or velocity.
2.    a change in velocity.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acceleration

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
The accelaration - the rate of change of velocity - is always the same.
OMG!!! "the rate of change of velocity - is always the same."

If its changing how could it remain the same? English, speak English!!!

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
And Einstein says that the two are equivalent (Equivalence Priniciple).
You couldn't possibly understand what Einstein said, Einstein spoke English!
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2009, 06:15:43 AM »
Quote from: julianmartin on June 26, 2009, 05:58:29 AM
[You mean the rate of change of velocity. Quite frequently a constant I'm afraid...!
Ah true my good lad, but since FET is based on acceleration producing gravity the change in velocity would constantly increase the force of gravity.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 06:11:56 AM
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
Acceleration can be and often is constant.
Not according to the English language, and since you are writing in English I suggest you use it correctly.

ac⋅cel⋅er⋅a⋅tion

1.    the act of accelerating; increase of speed or velocity.
2.    a change in velocity.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acceleration

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
The accelaration - the rate of change of velocity - is always the same.
OMG!!! "the rate of change of velocity - is always the same."

If its changing how could it remain the same? English, speak English!!!

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
And Einstein says that the two are equivalent (Equivalence Priniciple).
You couldn't possibly understand what Einstein said, Einstein spoke English!

May I suggest that you refrain from becoming so sarcastic so early in your exchanges?

For if you do not you will, one day, be badly "flamed" by someone with a greater intelligence and better command of English than you.

If an object with constant mass is caused to accelarate by the application of a constant force ...

Then Newton's Second Law Of Motion, force = mass x acceleration, says that it will accelerate with a constant accelaration.

Velocity will still change when accelaration is constant - as anyone who has taken an A-Level in Physics (as I have, grade A) will know.
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2009, 06:32:28 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 06:15:43 AM
Quote from: julianmartin on June 26, 2009, 05:58:29 AM
[You mean the rate of change of velocity. Quite frequently a constant I'm afraid...!
Ah true my good lad, but since FET is based on acceleration producing gravity the change in velocity would constantly increase the force of gravity.

Newton's Second Law Of Motion: force = mass x acceleration.

1. Your mass stays the same.

2. The Flat Earth is always accelearating upwards at 10 m/s/s.

(Why? Don't ask me - I'm a Round Earther.)

Therefore the force that The Earth exerts on you (pushing from below) is also a constant.

Constant mass x constant accelaration = constant mass x constant rate of change of velocity = constant force.

Actually, as I now recall, this was the very first thing that we learnt in O-Level physics.

And as my teacher said that day:

If you cannot understand F=ma, a = F/m and m=F/a then you should leave now.

Edit: add underlines for emphasis.

Edit 2: I am not defending FET here, OK - just Newtonian Mechanics.
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2009, 06:56:03 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 AM
May I suggest that you refrain from becoming so sarcastic so early in your exchanges?

For if you do not you will, one day, be badly "flamed" by someone with a greater intelligence and better command of English than you.
Yes you may suggest it, and thank you for the compliments.

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 AM
If an object with constant mass is caused to accelarate by the application of a constant force ...
Ok here is what you're saying.


If an object with constant mass -- like earth

is caused to accelarate -- change in velocity according to the English language

by the application of a constant force -- would result a change in gravity force.

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 06:23:31 AM
Then Newton's Second Law Of Motion, force = mass x acceleration, says that it will accelerate with a constant accelaration.

Velocity will still change when accelaration is constant - as anyone who has taken an A-Level in Physics (as I have, grade A) will know.
" Velocity will still change when accelaration is constant "

And it is that change in velocity FET's down fall. Because since FET is based on acceleration producing gravity the change in velocity would constantly increase the force of gravity produced on earth.
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2009, 07:06:07 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 06:56:03 AM
Ok here is what you're saying.

If an object with constant mass -- like earth

is caused to accelarate -- change in velocity according to the English language

by the application of a constant force -- would result a change in gravity force.

That makes no sense, I'm afraid.

Look at your last sentence:

"the application of a constant force -- would result a change in gravity force"

If the (magical) force acting on The Flat Earth (pushing it up) is constant ...

Then the force that The Earth applies to you (pushing you up through your feet) will also be constant.

Edit: and both you and the Earth will accelrate with the same constant rate of change of velocity (10 m/s/s).

If a locomotive pushes a train of goods waggons then the force that the loco' applies to the first waggon will transfer all the way through the whole train from waggon to waggon (Newton's Third Law Of Motion? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction).

I really cannot think how to explain it any more simply ...
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2009, 07:19:37 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 07:06:07 AM
That makes no sense, I'm afraid.
Yes of course, I wrote in English.

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 07:06:07 AM
Look at your last sentence:

"the application of a constant force -- would result a change in gravity force"

If the (magical) force acting on The Flat Earth (pushing it up) is constant ...

Then the force that The Earth applies to you (pushing you up through your feet) will also be constant.
Yes and don't forget the operative word for FET; "Acceleration" (change in velocity) resulting a change in gravity force...

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 07:06:07 AM
If a locomotive pushes a train of goods waggons then the force that the loco' applies to the first waggon will transfer all the way through the whole train from waggon to waggon (Newton's Third Law Of Motion? Every action has an equal and opposite reaction).
A locomotive isn't constantly "accelerating," FET is. And every action having an equal and opposite reaction would transfer that reaction as a greater force of gravity.

Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 07:06:07 AM
I really cannot think how to explain it any more simply ...
You can start with your spelling, its horrible.
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Re: Acceleration = Gravity is the FLAW in FE theory.
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2009, 07:24:11 AM »
Okay, let's simplify this to one short question.

Nevermind, why do you say that a change in velocity would create a change in the gravity force?
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2009, 07:25:05 AM »
If the (magical) force acting on The Flat Earth (pushing it up) is constant ...

What makes them say its being pushed up?

If space is void of matter, then you can fall into the void, never be pushed up!
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2009, 07:34:00 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 26, 2009, 07:24:11 AM
Okay, let's simplify this to one short question.

Nevermind, why do you say that a change in velocity would create a change in the gravity force?
Assuming the FE is being pushed up which of course is ludicrous for space is void of matter and therewith you can only fall into the void the answer to your question my good lad is Newton's Third Law of Motion. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

As this magical forces pushes FE up into the void the G's felt on earth would accelerate as the velocity changed.  

FET of acceleration is impossible.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2009, 07:35:38 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
Assuming the FE is being pushed up which of course is ludicrous for space is void of matter and therewith you can only fall into the void the answer to your question my good lad is Newton's Third Law of Motion. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

As this magical forces pushes FE up into the void the G's felt on earth would accelerate as the velocity changed.  FET of acceleration is impossible.

Newton's third law of motion does not relate to velocity in any way whatsoever. Having not received a satisfactory answer, I will ask you again, why do you say that a change in velocity would create a change in the gravity force?
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2009, 07:48:44 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 26, 2009, 07:35:38 AM
Newton's third law of motion does not relate to velocity in any way whatsoever. Having not received a satisfactory answer, I will ask you again, why do you say that a change in velocity would create a change in the gravity force?
Another chap who doesn't understand English.


 "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

ve⋅loc⋅i⋅ty
1.    rapidity of motion or operation; swiftness; speed: a high wind velocity.

mo⋅tion
1.    the action or process of moving or of changing place or position; movement.

http://dictionary.reference.com/


I hope that the English language suffices in putting your misunderstandings to rest?
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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2009, 07:53:07 AM »
gravitational force is equivalent to acceleration
acceleration is change in velocity

A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant gravitational force.
A constant velocity would have no acceleration which would be equivalent to no gravitational force.
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2009, 08:15:31 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 07:19:37 AM
A constant accelaration requires a constant force you stubborn little moron![/b]You are very dumb, so please go away and do not come back - ever!

Look!

Here is a web-site which shows you the maths behind "constant acceleration":

http://www.mathcentre.ac.uk/resources/leaflets/mathcentre/mechanics/em1_9.pdf
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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2009, 08:21:44 AM »
Velocity is speed with direction.
Acceleration is change in velocity/speed.
If the change in speed is held constant, that is uniform acceleration.
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2009, 08:29:30 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 07:48:44 AM
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

This is not the formal statement of Newton's third law of motion, but a colloquial oversimplification of it. If you are going to argue semantics, at least use the correct definitions of relevant theorems.
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2009, 08:31:32 AM »
Quote from: cdenley on June 26, 2009, 07:53:07 AM
This is correct: gravitational force is equivalent to acceleration
acceleration is change in velocity

This is incorrect: A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant gravitational force.
This is again correct: A constant velocity would have no acceleration which would be equivalent to no gravitational force.
The following should have read: "A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant "changing" gravitational force."

Yes acceleration should be removed from FET in order to attain some sense of logic. But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with. Space being void of matter therewith you can only fall into a void, never be pushed up which of course there is answer to that as well, but let them figure it out!

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« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2009, 08:35:04 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 08:31:32 AM
But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with.

Too?

Whose English is crap now, then?
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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2009, 08:36:15 AM »
@Nevermind,
You can't feel velocity. You feel acceleration.

Sitting in a car I could be stopped or moving at 100 mph but I would only be aware by looking out the window. A change in speed (acceleration) would be noticeable. Stepping on the brakes or flooring the accelerator can be felt be cause it is a change in velocity. The more sudden the change, the more noticeable.

Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 08:31:32 AM
But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with.
Dark energy is as much a part of RET as it is FET.
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2009, 08:37:52 AM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on June 26, 2009, 08:36:15 AM
You can't feel velocity. You feel acceleration.

Deceleration often hurts more, though (like if you jumped off a tall building)!
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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2009, 08:38:17 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 26, 2009, 08:29:30 AM
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 07:48:44 AM
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

This is not the formal statement of Newton's third law of motion, but a colloquial oversimplification of it. If you are going to argue semantics, at least use the correct definitions of relevant theorems.
No, I believe its exactly how it was expressed, unless of course you can corroborate your claim with evidence.
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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2009, 08:40:10 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 08:38:17 AM
No, I believe its exactly how it was expressed, unless of course you can corroborate your claim with evidence.

What's this? I need to provide evidence that your statement of Newton's third law of motion is wrong, when you haven't provided any evidence that it is correct? No thank you. Please provide some evidence that your statement is correct or admit that your entire argument is flawed.
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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2009, 08:41:19 AM »
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 08:31:32 AM
Quote from: cdenley on June 26, 2009, 07:53:07 AM
This is correct: gravitational force is equivalent to acceleration
acceleration is change in velocity

This is incorrect: A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant gravitational force.
This is again correct: A constant velocity would have no acceleration which would be equivalent to no gravitational force.
The following should have read: "A constant change in velocity, or a constant acceleration, would result in the equivalent of a constant "changing" gravitational force."

Yes acceleration should be removed from FET in order to attain some sense of logic. But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with. Space being void of matter therewith you can only fall into a void, never be pushed up which of course there is answer to that as well, but let them figure it out!


g = gravitational force
a = acceleration
v = velocity

You agree gravitational force is equivalent to accleration.
a=g
You previously posted a definition of acceleration, so I assume you would agree that acceleration is a change in velocity.
a=change in v
change in v=g
change in v≠change in g
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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2009, 08:41:48 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 07:19:37 AM
A constant accelaration requires a constant force you stubborn little moron![/b]You are very dumb, so please go away and do not come back - ever!

Look!

Here is a web-site which shows you the maths behind "constant acceleration":

http://www.mathcentre.ac.uk/resources/leaflets/mathcentre/mechanics/em1_9.pdf
Thanks for editing that reply, you showed strength. Name calling is a sign of weakness. Delete it completely!!!
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2009, 08:42:16 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 08:37:52 AM
Deceleration often hurts more, though (like if you jumped off a tall building)!
Deceleration and acceleration are equivalent depending on your reference frame or direction. Decelerating a car going North can be seen as accelerating it South by the same amount.
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2009, 08:48:57 AM »
Quote from: 3 Tesla on June 26, 2009, 08:35:04 AM
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 08:31:32 AM
But then they are faced with the magical force acting on FE (pushing it up) that they will have too deal with.

Too?

Whose English is crap now, then?
I used it correctly. I learned my grammar. Too bad you didn't. LOL
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2009, 08:52:20 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on June 26, 2009, 08:40:10 AM
Quote from: Nevermind on June 26, 2009, 08:38:17 AM
No, I believe its exactly how it was expressed, unless of course you can corroborate your claim with evidence.

What's this? I need to provide evidence that your statement of Newton's third law of motion is wrong, when you haven't provided any evidence that it is correct? No thank you. Please provide some evidence that your statement is correct or admit that your entire argument is flawed.
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/newton.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html
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