So How Fast Are We Moving?

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:14:49 PM

If you are accelerating at 9.82m/s, that means that the object accelerating increases in speed so that it covers and extra 9.82 meters every second. Simple.

Right, and?

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:14:49 PM

There are constants in the universe. Again, use them as a reference. You fail to grasp the concept that there are constants in the universe which you can use as a reference point.

Right, in my frame of reference, the Earth's acceleration is constant. And?

1+1=?
If you have a way of measuring the Earth's speed, independent of the Earth by using a constant such as light, you can see that the Earth would reach the speed of light, or slow down so the 'illusion' of gravity would lessen.

In what frame of reference?

In what frame of reference?

Speed of light works just fine.
Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
So figure out the distance light travels in one second.
Then work out the apparent speed the earth is traveling at that very second. Then use this information and compare it to the speed of light. According to FET, the Earth's acceleration has led it to be traveling faster than the speed of light. Nice one.

According to FET, the Earth's acceleration has led it to be traveling faster than the speed of light.

Nope.

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:31:06 PM

According to FET, the Earth's acceleration has led it to be traveling faster than the speed of light.

Nope.

Wrong.

It sure is right according to Einstein.

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
Is GRAVITY a constant? Yes.
Back2school4you.

What about them?

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.

Please justify these assumptions.

Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:46:26 PM

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is time constant? Yes.

Special relativity would disagree with you.(i think....)

Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:46:26 PM

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
Is GRAVITY a constant? Yes.
Back2school4you.

You forget the effects of time dilation, which certainly become important as the Earth's speed approaches c.

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:46:26 PM

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
Is GRAVITY a constant? Yes.
Back2school4you.

You forget the effects of time dilation, which certainly become important as the Earth's speed approaches c.

Time dilation is a result of gravity. And once the Earth reaches C, bye-bye the effect of gravity. Which we would have already reached.

Quote from: Euclid on June 29, 2009, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:46:26 PM

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
Is GRAVITY a constant? Yes.
Back2school4you.

You forget the effects of time dilation, which certainly become important as the Earth's speed approaches c.

Time dilation is a result of gravity. And once the Earth reaches C, bye-bye the effect of gravity. Which we would have already reached.

This thread went from awesome to epic.

Quote from: Euclid on June 29, 2009, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:46:26 PM

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
Is GRAVITY a constant? Yes.
Back2school4you.

You forget the effects of time dilation, which certainly become important as the Earth's speed approaches c.

Time dilation is a result of gravity. And once the Earth reaches C, bye-bye the effect of gravity. Which we would have already reached.

No, I'm talking about time dilation caused by speed.  Length contraction is also important.  How do you think this affects the acceleration measured by a inertial observer compared to the acceleration measured on Earth?

Quote from: Whoa Brah on June 30, 2009, 03:23:23 PM

Quote from: Euclid on June 29, 2009, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2009, 06:46:26 PM

It sure is right according to Einstein.

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is the speed of light constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.
Is GRAVITY a constant? Yes.
Back2school4you.

You forget the effects of time dilation, which certainly become important as the Earth's speed approaches c.

Time dilation is a result of gravity. And once the Earth reaches C, bye-bye the effect of gravity. Which we would have already reached.

This thread went from awesome to epic.

I love thick-skulled noobs.

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.

Please justify these assumptions.

Anybody?

Quote from: Robosteve on June 26, 2009, 07:46:35 PM

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.

Please justify these assumptions.

Anybody?

Funny how this plays out.

When asked the very same thing, you say (direct quote): "Common sense, dipshit"


Then you expect somebody to answer the very same question differently from your own answer? How selfish.

Quote from: Robosteve on June 26, 2009, 07:46:35 PM

Quote from: King Awesome on June 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Is a meter constant? Yes.
Is time constant? Yes.

Please justify these assumptions.

Anybody?

Ln2physics.
Bk2school4u.
Time isn't constant, but the speed of light, and a meter, is.
Look up surveying and speed of light is always traveling at same speed.

Funny how this plays out.

When asked the very same thing, you say (direct quote): "Common sense, dipshit"


Then you expect somebody to answer the very same question differently from your own answer? How selfish.

I cannot decipher your inane blather, so I will simply ignore it.

Ln2physics.
Bk2school4u.
Time isn't constant, but the speed of light, and a meter, is.
Look up surveying and speed of light is always traveling at same speed.

I never contested the constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum. However, what justification do you have for the constancy of the metre? Remember, this question by necessity is dealing with frames of reference moving at relativistic speeds relative to one another, so your answer must justify a metre measured anywhere remaining the same length to all observers in such cases.

Quote from: With Honor on June 30, 2009, 10:08:07 PM

Funny how this plays out.

When asked the very same thing, you say (direct quote): "Common sense, dipshit"


Then you expect somebody to answer the very same question differently from your own answer? How selfish.

I cannot decipher your inane blather, so I will simply ignore it.

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 05:22:19 AM

Ln2physics.
Bk2school4u.
Time isn't constant, but the speed of light, and a meter, is.
Look up surveying and speed of light is always traveling at same speed.

I never contested the constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum. However, what justification do you have for the constancy of the metre? Remember, this question by necessity is dealing with frames of reference moving at relativistic speeds relative to one another, so your answer must justify a metre measured anywhere remaining the same length to all observers in such cases.

Ln2phyics.
Go to a physics lab. Half/almost all your troll arguments can be proven wrong in a lab. However, expecting you to have reached at least a normal standard of education is a hilarious thought in itself.

Quote from: Robosteve on July 01, 2009, 05:37:06 AM

Quote from: With Honor on June 30, 2009, 10:08:07 PM

Funny how this plays out.

When asked the very same thing, you say (direct quote): "Common sense, dipshit"


Then you expect somebody to answer the very same question differently from your own answer? How selfish.

I cannot decipher your inane blather, so I will simply ignore it.

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 05:22:19 AM

Ln2physics.
Bk2school4u.
Time isn't constant, but the speed of light, and a meter, is.
Look up surveying and speed of light is always traveling at same speed.

I never contested the constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum. However, what justification do you have for the constancy of the metre? Remember, this question by necessity is dealing with frames of reference moving at relativistic speeds relative to one another, so your answer must justify a metre measured anywhere remaining the same length to all observers in such cases.

Ln2phyics.

Instead of dodging the question by implying Robosteve's ignorance on the subject, thereby exposing your own ignorance on the subject, why don't you tell him why you think he's wrong?  I think we'd all like to see it.

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 03:00:29 PM

Quote from: Robosteve on July 01, 2009, 05:37:06 AM

Quote from: With Honor on June 30, 2009, 10:08:07 PM

Funny how this plays out.

When asked the very same thing, you say (direct quote): "Common sense, dipshit"


Then you expect somebody to answer the very same question differently from your own answer? How selfish.

I cannot decipher your inane blather, so I will simply ignore it.

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 05:22:19 AM

Ln2physics.
Bk2school4u.
Time isn't constant, but the speed of light, and a meter, is.
Look up surveying and speed of light is always traveling at same speed.

I never contested the constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum. However, what justification do you have for the constancy of the metre? Remember, this question by necessity is dealing with frames of reference moving at relativistic speeds relative to one another, so your answer must justify a metre measured anywhere remaining the same length to all observers in such cases.

Ln2phyics.

Instead of dodging the question by implying Robosteve's ignorance on the subject, thereby exposing your own ignorance on the subject, why don't you tell him why you think he's wrong?  I think we'd all like to see it.

Of course a meter is always the same, as light is measured in m/s and, guess what, that speed never changes.
Plus, what's the point in legitimately answering a bunch of trolls?

Of course a meter is always the same

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/mmedia/specrel/Lc.html

Maybe you are the one that needs to go 'Bk2school'.

Instead of dodging the question by implying Robosteve's ignorance on the subject, thereby exposing your own ignorance on the subject, why don't you tell him why you think he's wrong?  I think we'd all like to see it.

This


Also,

Go to a physics lab. Half/almost all your troll arguments can be proven wrong in a lab.

Do you have any example of what the hell you are talking about?  Or are you just spouting off because you think you have a clue by making arbitrary statements?  Robosteve has shown his knowledge of physics and math on here many times, have you?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 01, 2009, 03:08:48 PM

Instead of dodging the question by implying Robosteve's ignorance on the subject, thereby exposing your own ignorance on the subject, why don't you tell him why you think he's wrong?  I think we'd all like to see it.

This


Also,

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 03:00:29 PM

Go to a physics lab. Half/almost all your troll arguments can be proven wrong in a lab.

Do you have any example of what the hell you are talking about?  Or are you just spouting off because you think you have a clue by making arbitrary statements?  Robosteve has shown his knowledge of physics and math on here many times, have you?

You can measure the rotation of the earth in a lab.
Now stfu and get your asses some education instead of loltrolling for whatever reason.

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 03:10:23 PM

Of course a meter is always the same

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/mmedia/specrel/Lc.html

Maybe you are the one that needs to go 'Bk2school'.

Lol, that says the vessel travelling at a given speed changes size, not that a meter changes size, otherwise the vessel wouldn't be reduced in size.
Bk2school for you. Actually may be the first time in school 4 u reli.

The people inside the vessel do not see a change in a meter in their frame of reference, therefore relative to us the length of a meter changed.

The people inside the vessel do not see a change in a meter in their frame of reference, therefore relative to us the length of a meter changed.

Yeah but your theory fucks up when it comes to the fact that we would have reached C long ago.

Yeah but your theory fucks up when it comes to the fact that we would have reached C long ago.

Please explain your reasoning for this statement. Robbyj has just explained why a metre is not constant, and you yourself admitted that time is not constant, so why should an acceleration (measured in m s^-2) be constant in all frames of reference?

Quote from: JUNKER on July 01, 2009, 05:58:09 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 01, 2009, 03:08:48 PM

Instead of dodging the question by implying Robosteve's ignorance on the subject, thereby exposing your own ignorance on the subject, why don't you tell him why you think he's wrong?  I think we'd all like to see it.

This


Also,

Quote from: Whoa Brah on July 01, 2009, 03:00:29 PM

Go to a physics lab. Half/almost all your troll arguments can be proven wrong in a lab.

Do you have any example of what the hell you are talking about?  Or are you just spouting off because you think you have a clue by making arbitrary statements?  Robosteve has shown his knowledge of physics and math on here many times, have you?

You can measure the rotation of the earth in a lab.
Now stfu and get your asses some education instead of loltrolling for whatever reason.

OK, you have given me the answer I was looking for.  You are clearly a moron.  Why don't you go ahead and get some of that "education" you seem like like referring others to.  Or just keep saying that you can do an infinite number of things "in a lab" without giving any kind of specifics to what the hell you are talking about.

Also, this:

Please explain your reasoning for this statement. Robbyj has just explained why a metre is not constant, and you yourself admitted that time is not constant, so why should an acceleration (measured in m s^-2) be constant in all frames of reference?

Quote from: Robbyj on July 02, 2009, 03:43:51 AM

The people inside the vessel do not see a change in a meter in their frame of reference, therefore relative to us the length of a meter changed.

Yeah but your theory fucks up when it comes to the fact that we would have reached C long ago.

Keep it cleaner in the serious debate fora please.