Plate Techtonics

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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2009, 09:25:53 AM »
In the Infinite Plane model, there is no universal accelerator.

So what creates an illusion of gravity in the Infinite Plane model?

Stress on the stress-energy-momentum tensor.

Wait, so gravitational fields are accepeted on the Infinite plane model but not in the finite plane model? (except for celestial bodies)

I actually think the earth exhibits gravitation (albeit indiscernible), but I may be the only finite plane advocate who beliefs this.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2009, 09:51:32 AM »
In the Infinite Plane model, there is no universal accelerator.

So what creates an illusion of gravity in the Infinite Plane model?

Stress on the stress-energy-momentum tensor.

Wait, so gravitational fields are accepeted on the Infinite plane model but not in the finite plane model? (except for celestial bodies)

I actually think the earth exhibits gravitation (albeit indiscernible), but I may be the only finite plane advocate who beliefs this.

That would make more sense, seeing as the other celestial bodies apparently have gravity in the mainstream FE theory.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2009, 09:56:18 AM »
The celestial bodies exhibit gravitation; not "gravity."
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2009, 11:53:05 AM »
and yet the universe is finite...

Are you pulling things out of your ass again, or do you actually have some evidence for this claim?


No i'm fairly certain that the Physics community has my back on that one... The question is are you pulling things out of your ass? Are you both suggesting that the earths plain is inifinte and the the universe is as well?

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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2009, 11:38:15 PM »
Not sure if this is off-topic, but regarding the finite/infinite plane model, I'd like to borrow Stephen Hawking's word: "What lies North of North pole?". That this North pole belongs to the RET aside, if one can just not answer such a question, why ask "What lies beyond the icewall?"? 8)
Sorry, I'm new, and still learning my way around here. Seems like going off-topic is a common practice, as I'm confused as to why gravity is now being discussed instead of plate tectonics theory. ???

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2009, 03:57:02 AM »
The celestial bodies exhibit gravitation; not "gravity."

A somewhat esoteric difference, but that is what I meant.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2009, 07:09:20 AM »
The celestial bodies exhibit gravitation; not "gravity."

I think you can understand what Delthan is saying without needing to refer to tight definitions of gravity and/or gravitation.

Gravity is generally accepted to be a unique case of gravitation (the attraction between masses) as experienced on earth.

So by recognising (the general form) "gravitation" you implicitly recognise the specific form.

Unfortunately, universal gravitation applied to a flat earth makes things fall out of the sky quite quickly. Whump.
Not to mention that the gravitational pull of the earth would inevitably pull itself into a sphere.

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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2009, 07:28:44 AM »
No i'm fairly certain that the Physics community has my back on that one... The question is are you pulling things out of your ass? Are you both suggesting that the earths plain is inifinte and the the universe is as well?

I never suggested either. I'm wondering what makes you think the Universe is finite.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2009, 08:17:38 AM »
Yes there are mountains in Antarctica and they formed by colliding plates! What does a plate collide with that is near the edge? I believe yall have proposed that Anartica is the Ice Wall? A plate at the edge has no other plates to collide with to go vertical!

Mountains in Antarctica have not been formed by colliding plates, plate techtonics on this scale simply does not occur.
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2009, 10:48:33 AM »
Yes there are mountains in Antarctica and they formed by colliding plates! What does a plate collide with that is near the edge? I believe yall have proposed that Anartica is the Ice Wall? A plate at the edge has no other plates to collide with to go vertical!

Mountains in Antarctica have not been formed by colliding plates, plate techtonics on this scale simply does not occur.

Then how did they form?  Because the only other way you get large mountains is by explosive volcanism.  And that happens on a smaller scale than colliding plates.



Edited for volcanism.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2009, 06:58:47 PM »
Yes there are mountains in Antarctica and they formed by colliding plates! What does a plate collide with that is near the edge? I believe yall have proposed that Anartica is the Ice Wall? A plate at the edge has no other plates to collide with to go vertical!

Mountains in Antarctica have not been formed by colliding plates, plate techtonics on this scale simply does not occur.

Then how did they form?  Because the only other way you get large mountains is by explosive volcanism.  And that happens on a smaller scale than colliding plates.



Edited for volcanism.

You answered your own question. Most mountains are formed by volcanic activity.

It is perhaps worth mentioning that Antarctica also owes much of its geology and geography to its relative distance from the Sun's path compared with the more proximate (and hence temperate) regions of the Earth.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2009, 10:53:24 PM »
Although it relatively easy to tell how a mountain was formed just by looking at the rocks it is made of.
Volcanic mountains will be composed primarily of igneous rock. They will be more uniform.

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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2009, 02:29:10 AM »
No, most mountains are formed by plate tectonics.  Pretty much all mountain belts are formed by tectonics.  You get more isolated mountains from volcanoes.  And, most volcanoes are due to plate tectonics as well.

How does the geology of the area depend on how close to the sun it is?  Geography is affected, but geology?
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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2009, 02:28:22 PM »
That's all well and good if you happen to believe in plate tectonics. I'm afraid I am not one of those people.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2009, 09:18:07 AM »
That's all well and good if you happen to believe in plate tectonics. I'm afraid I am not one of those people.

What would it take to change your mind?
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2009, 10:17:40 AM »

Most mountains are formed by volcanic activity.

Did volcanoes form the Himalayas? There are very few volcanoes there.

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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2009, 01:36:01 AM »
That's all well and good if you happen to believe in plate tectonics. I'm afraid I am not one of those people.

Then, dogplatter, what do you believe in to replace tectonics?  It has been observed, is being measured, recorded.  In fact, you've probably seen or felt the the effects of plate tectonics.

How else would you explain things like the Pacific ring of fire, the volcanoes in Japan, Earthquakes, the Himalayas, things like the (I think it's called) the anglo-paris basin and the Variscan belt?

I look forward to a response Dogplatter.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2009, 03:46:23 AM »
Don't get me wrong, local volcanic activity does occur. The continents certainly don't drift around for thousands of miles though, that's the ridiculous claim I take issue with.
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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2009, 04:29:16 PM »
Don't get me wrong, local volcanic activity does occur. The continents certainly don't drift around for thousands of miles though, that's the ridiculous claim I take issue with.

So if the Indian sub-continent colliding with Asia didnt push up the Himalayas, what did? Given that, as a previous poster pointed out, theres a lack of volcanism in the area.

I suppose you will probably claim that you can't possibly be expected to know the real reason the Himalayas formed and so therefore plate tectonics is wrong.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2009, 07:03:56 PM »
Tom you obviously dont understand what I am saying. If an object is flat, it has an edge, what lies beyond the edge of the object? Additionally, that the edge of this object would extend out infinitely? It must in somwhere.

Says who?
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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2009, 02:58:07 AM »
Don't get me wrong, local volcanic activity does occur. The continents certainly don't drift around for thousands of miles though, that's the ridiculous claim I take issue with.

Hahahahahahhahah. Well you certainly are an idiot/troll.
You can actually go and see fault lines. Pop over to Greece and have a look at the Corinth Canal why not. Just go to Greece and yo can actually see tectonic activity in the features that have been formed e.g. River reversal shown by deposition.
Plus, volcanoes are a result of tectonic activity. How else are they going to be formed.

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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2009, 04:59:38 AM »
Don't get me wrong, local volcanic activity does occur. The continents certainly don't drift around for thousands of miles though, that's the ridiculous claim I take issue with.

Hahahahahahhahah. Well you certainly are an idiot/troll.
You can actually go and see fault lines. Pop over to Greece and have a look at the Corinth Canal why not. Just go to Greece and yo can actually see tectonic activity in the features that have been formed e.g. River reversal shown by deposition.
Plus, volcanoes are a result of tectonic activity. How else are they going to be formed.

Actually, you also get volcanoes formed from hot spots - where the crust passes over a mantle plume.  Like Hawaii.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2009, 07:24:46 AM »
Don't get me wrong, local volcanic activity does occur. The continents certainly don't drift around for thousands of miles though, that's the ridiculous claim I take issue with.

Hahahahahahhahah. Well you certainly are an idiot/troll.
You can actually go and see fault lines. Pop over to Greece and have a look at the Corinth Canal why not. Just go to Greece and yo can actually see tectonic activity in the features that have been formed e.g. River reversal shown by deposition.
Plus, volcanoes are a result of tectonic activity. How else are they going to be formed.

Actually, you also get volcanoes formed from hot spots - where the crust passes over a mantle plume.  Like Hawaii.

Which is the result of friction from plates being deferred from the exact area of the collision zone. They are still a product of plate tectonics.
Volcanoes = plate tectonics.
Mountains = plate tectonics.

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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2009, 10:01:36 AM »
The existence of volcanoes and mountains (neither of which I dispute) is a far cry from the lofty claims of the plate techtonicists who believe that the continents have floated all over the world and at various times have been a single mass. It is this ridiculous contention which I deny utterly.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2009, 10:04:54 AM »
Don't get me wrong, local volcanic activity does occur. The continents certainly don't drift around for thousands of miles though, that's the ridiculous claim I take issue with.

Hahahahahahhahah. Well you certainly are an idiot/troll.
You can actually go and see fault lines. Pop over to Greece and have a look at the Corinth Canal why not. Just go to Greece and yo can actually see tectonic activity in the features that have been formed e.g. River reversal shown by deposition.
Plus, volcanoes are a result of tectonic activity. How else are they going to be formed.

Actually, you also get volcanoes formed from hot spots - where the crust passes over a mantle plume.  Like Hawaii.

Which is the result of friction from plates being deferred from the exact area of the collision zone. They are still a product of plate tectonics.
Volcanoes = plate tectonics.
Mountains = plate tectonics.

Nope.  No plate boundaries anywhere near Hawaii.
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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2009, 10:27:46 AM »
The existence of volcanoes and mountains (neither of which I dispute) is a far cry from the lofty claims of the plate techtonicists who believe that the continents have floated all over the world and at various times have been a single mass. It is this ridiculous contention which I deny utterly.

You can see fault lines & measure their movements.
Move along Troll. Bullsht argument is bullsht.

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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2009, 02:11:12 PM »
The existence of volcanoes and mountains (neither of which I dispute) is a far cry from the lofty claims of the plate techtonicists who believe that the continents have floated all over the world and at various times have been a single mass. It is this ridiculous contention which I deny utterly.
Plate Tectonicists!!! thats a new one. i'll add that to my list of silly names to identify supporters of science along with evolutionist and darwinist. Still waiting to hear newtonist.
Then explain the measurable and observable movement of the continents and annual rise of mountains and the observable plate boundaries.
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« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2009, 05:31:35 AM »
As  Joeval has already mentioned, Hawaii illustrates plate tectonics excellently. The magma plume which has formed the Hawaiian islands has had a prolonged existance, such that the crust moving over it leaves evidence of its movement by the various islands formed and subsea mounts.

What is your opinion on this Dogplatter?

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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2009, 06:28:23 AM »
As  Joeval has already mentioned, Hawaii illustrates plate tectonics excellently. The magma plume which has formed the Hawaiian islands has had a prolonged existance, such that the crust moving over it leaves evidence of its movement by the various islands formed and subsea mounts.

What is your opinion on this Dogplatter?

Sorry, but Hawaii has nothing at all to do with plate tectonics.
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Re: Plate Techtonics
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2009, 06:47:39 AM »
The existence of volcanoes and mountains (neither of which I dispute) is a far cry from the lofty claims of the plate techtonicists who believe that the continents have floated all over the world and at various times have been a single mass. It is this ridiculous contention which I deny utterly.

You can see fault lines & measure their movements.
Move along Troll. Bullsht argument is bullsht.

The correct spelling would be bullshit, I believe.

And one should never use the ampersand sign in a sentence like that.

Sorry, I come from an educated and affluent area. I wouldn't know how the products of incest speak.

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