New Experiment - input welcome .. please contribute

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dyno

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New Experiment - input welcome .. please contribute
« on: June 17, 2009, 05:01:58 PM »
Well I've got some free time for the next month. I still have my telescope and camera. I also have access to a D80 which has 10MP instead of 6 like my D70s.

Well, any FE's like to suggest an optical test? Any more view across bodies of water. I'm aware some FEs were concerned shots across the ocean aren't the same as shots across a like. I can do lakes though.
What about stars, planets, the moon? The Sun? I have a solar filter so I can image the Sun directly.

Some FEr could image an extraterrestrial body and we could compare images.

Any celestial body must be visible from Perth, Western Australia. I'm not driving to Darwin to try and see Polaris.

Anyone like to get the ball rolling?


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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 01:17:34 AM »
Some "star-trail" pictures would be cool, as they would have been generated by an actual member of this community.

Are they circular?

Is the compass bearing of the point of rotation due south?

Can you image The Celestial Equator where you are?

I can then try and ask my pal in Sydney to get some similar images from where he is - far away to the east - and we can compare results.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2009, 04:37:16 AM »
Yeah the real issue is for a FEr to contribute ideas. Otherwise they end up looking at the results and saying "oh but you didn't do it properly".

Might be able to clarify who are just trolling and those who can put in some effort.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 05:09:55 AM »
Yeah the real issue is for a FEr to contribute ideas.

You mean above and beyond the classic:

"When I look out of my window I can see that The Earth is flat ..."

"And I will continue to believe this until you come up with proof that it isn't ..."

"Because the burdern of proof is all on you."
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 05:16:34 AM »
Exactly. And I'm fine with the burden of proof being on me as long as they define the parameters of the experiment. That way any results provided can't be ignored.

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 05:52:08 AM »
FEers will not contribute to anything that might result in something that can be used to prove them wrong.

Unless it involves you spending a large amount of time and money... at which point they'll say:

"Huhh huhh huhh Looks fake to me"

How did we all become so cynical?

Sigh ...
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 08:25:34 AM »
Oh, I love this!  Great idea, dyno.  I'd be surprised if you get anyone like Tom Bishop (he has a nice telescope, but he thinks camera mounts are the work of the devil).

Agreeing on the setup of the experiment is the beginning of peer review as part of The Scientific Method, and should allow the FE'ers to dictate what conditions they will accept BEFORE the results come, so that they cannot then complain about those conditions AFTER they don't like the results.

I almost expect this thread to get shunted to some other category.  I hope it doesn't.  I may not post here anymore, but I'll be watching.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 03:49:09 AM »
Well I've got some free time for the next month. I still have my telescope and camera. I also have access to a D80 which has 10MP instead of 6 like my D70s.

Well, any FE's like to suggest an optical test?

Is it my imagination ...

Or are the only people proposing experiments around here Round Earthers?

E.g.: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29796.0

Could it be that Flat Earthers are just resting on Rowbotham's laurels ("Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not A Globe", published in the 1880s)?
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 06:32:02 AM »
Well I've got some free time for the next month. I still have my telescope and camera. I also have access to a D80 which has 10MP instead of 6 like my D70s.

Any celestial body must be visible from Perth, Western Australia. I'm not driving to Darwin to try and see Polaris.


If you need some support, or just someone to verify your experiments give me a shout. I do believe that you posted some pics earlier of Rotto. Which means that you can't be too far from me. That way you will have some support for your results.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 06:16:48 PM »
Well I have to say it's been a pretty poor showing from the FE's.

May I take silence as a sign that none of you have any idea of an experiment that could be performed? None of you care strongly enough to convert some REs? None of you actually believe in a FE?

Pretty lame.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 07:15:44 PM »
Rowbotham outlines what the particulars of the experiment need to be in Earth Not a Globe.

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3 Tesla

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 02:18:31 AM »
Rowbotham outlines what the particulars of the experiment need to be in Earth Not a Globe.

So Tom Bishop admits that he is incapable of summoning up enough brain-power to think of an experiment for himslef?

The mark of a true, brain-washed, religious Zealot!
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 02:36:52 AM »
Rowbotham outlines what the particulars of the experiment need to be in Earth Not a Globe.
since you are much more familiar with the resources and have them at hand, perhaps you could give me the specific details?

that way I won't be able to misinterpret them.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 06:07:47 AM »
Rowbotham outlines what the particulars of the experiment need to be in Earth Not a Globe.
since you are much more familiar with the resources and have them at hand, perhaps you could give me the specific details?

that way I won't be able to misinterpret them.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htm

It's basically the last experiment you did. Observe an object really far away with a telescope. Does the object disappear under the horizon? If not, the earth must be flat.

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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2009, 01:16:44 PM »
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since you are much more familiar with the resources and have them at hand, perhaps you could give me the specific details?

that way I won't be able to misinterpret them.

The resources are available in my signature link.

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dyno

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2009, 04:58:12 PM »
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since you are much more familiar with the resources and have them at hand, perhaps you could give me the specific details?

that way I won't be able to misinterpret them.

The resources are available in my signature link.

Ah. So you really want me to perform the exact experiment as I had before except lowering the telescope to 8 inches above the water. I think the results of my last effort are sufficient.
I was thinking along different lines.

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dyno

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2009, 05:18:58 PM »
Star trails over the south pole are possible.  I can try for polaris if people would like. I don't have a lens wide enough to cover the whole sky. I can take multiple shots. Want me to image star trails pointing north?

I can image a specific area of the sky.
No one wants me to image the Sun? Moon? Planets? Galaxies? Nebula?
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3 Tesla

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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2009, 08:51:48 AM »
Star trails over the south pole are possible.  

If you could do this at two or more different longitudes ...

Then you could determine if the compass bearing of The South Celestial Pole is always due south.

If it is, then it is likely that The South Celestial Pole is located on a sphere and sits above the Earth's South Geographical Pole ...

Rather than being on a rotating disc-like star-system which sits above an arbitrary point out near The Ice Wall.

As illustrated by my diagram here:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=29590.msg715974#msg715974

Edit: fixed typo's.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2009, 08:53:41 AM by 3 Tesla »
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2009, 08:56:12 AM »
Star trails over the south pole are possible.  

Just remembered you're Dyno from Perth:

Perth Western Aus.
Yeah I can check the compass bearing.
Convincing Tombot and Lev isn't the point. Blind people can't see.
The point is to disprove their suggestions so that others don't believe them.

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Which you state in the OP:


Any celestial body must be visible from Perth, Western Australia. I'm not driving to Darwin to try and see Polaris.

I'm losing my marbles!
« Last Edit: June 23, 2009, 08:58:11 AM by 3 Tesla »
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dyno

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2009, 06:44:34 PM »
Still nothing?
Any FE believer? Looking for multiple inputs here.

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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2009, 01:39:11 AM »
Still nothing?
Any FE believer? Looking for multiple inputs here.

Rowbotham proved that The Earth is flat over 100 years ago ("Earth Not A Globe") ...

Which would appear to be ample proof for your average Flat Earther ...

SO NOW "THE BURDEN OF PROOF" IS ON US !!!!!
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2009, 01:57:28 AM »
I am enthusiastic about your scientific experiments, Dyno - even if no Flat Earthers are.

I look forward to seeing more of your well-thought-out pictures [1] in due course.

1. Sinking Ship experiment Results
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0
August 16, 2008 +
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2009, 06:45:02 AM »
I'm not sure what planets are visible to you at the moment. I have a program called stellarium on my computer which tells me what i can see from my particular location;  Saturn is visible at the moment, not sure about other planets.

I think Venus is always a good subject as it can usually be seen as a crescent (no way!) and personally I'd like a good photo of a crescent, half or gibbous moon for my desktop - something which shows the mountains and crater rim shadows.


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dyno

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2009, 05:59:32 AM »
I'm really requesting input from FE believers.

I don't really understand their reluctance to participate. Can some FErs at least indicate why they don't wish to contribute and participate?

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3 Tesla

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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2009, 06:06:44 AM »
I'm really requesting input from FE believers.

I don't really understand their reluctance to participate. Can some FErs at least indicate why they don't wish to contribute and participate?

I strongly suspect that the Flat Earthers around here are more interested in winning a good debate about their theories than carrying out any actual experimentation (science).

They seem to prefer to try and refute our Round Earth evidence (e.g. trans-global radio waves) rather than generate any Flat Earth evidence of their own.

Edit: and it is not for me to criticise this preference as they are free to engage however they see fit.
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2009, 08:53:43 AM »
plug the book more tom, shamlessly attempt to make money more!! gogo!!
But a sure-fire method would be to land on the top side of the sun.

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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 03:03:50 AM »
Another cool experiment would be to repeat Rig Navigator's "restore" esperiments with a nice, powerful zoom lens (i.e. with no, huge and intermediate magnification).

They were inconclusive - no restoration within experimental error - last time:

Pictures taken at Sea
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=605.0
03/10/2008+

More Pictures at Sea
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=649.0
18/10/2008+

Re: "Restore" experiment
http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=625.0
14/10/2008+

Still maybe you'd like to see if dyno can restore an object beyond the horizon...
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2009, 03:24:37 AM »
Another cool experiment would be to repeat Rig Navigator's "restore" esperiments with a nice, powerful zoom lens (i.e. with no, huge and intermediate magnification).

Rowbotham's unique take on perspective - that a ship's hull, being closer to the water, will slip under the eye's resolution limit before the sails - is still an active source of debate/confusion, after all:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30251.0
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2009, 05:39:11 AM »
I'm really requesting input from FE believers.

I don't really understand their reluctance to participate. Can some FErs at least indicate why they don't wish to contribute and participate?
I've had a similar reaction from asking creationists to do experiments and start acting like a science. They arent a science so they can't do it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2009, 06:19:45 AM »
There are some clever people on here though. Their reluctance is, I think, down to other reasons.