Why do you think the Earth is round?

Not any person whom I asked haven't known that.

Everyone knows that the earth is flat. They just believe that it's round.

Open your eyes and look around you. Then read Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

Everyone knows that the earth is flat. They just believe that it's round.

Open your eyes and look around you. Then read Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

sooo you are basing your entire evidence on 1 book written many years ago that says, against all probability that the earth is flat?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 09, 2009, 04:08:30 AM

Everyone knows that the earth is flat. They just believe that it's round.

Open your eyes and look around you. Then read Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

sooo you are basing your entire evidence on 1 book written many years ago that says, against all probability that the earth is flat?

You can find a copy of Earth Not a Globe in my signature link. It's also available through Kessinger.

ISBN: 978-0766149458

Everyone knows that the earth is flat. They just believe that it's round.

Everyone may know that the small piece of ground below their feet is flat but not one person knows that the entire earth is flat. That is 100% sure because in FE world there is no way to observe the earth in its entirety. Your claim is outrageous, absolutely without any basis and without any statistical data(that means you haven't done survey about that if anyone knows or believes that earth is flat).

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We don't talk about you. We talk about other people. And as they believe that earth is round then they have been shown that it is and anyone hasn't shown them that earth is flat.

Anyone who has walked outside their home and observed the world around them knows that the earth is flat.

SO you then believe that a pen in water bends?
If you don't you are a hypocrite.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 09, 2009, 01:24:33 AM

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We don't talk about you. We talk about other people. And as they believe that earth is round then they have been shown that it is and anyone hasn't shown them that earth is flat.

Anyone who has walked outside their home and observed the world around them knows that the earth is flat.

SO you then believe that a pen in water bends?
If you don't you are a hypocrite.

A pen feels straight in water, though it appears to bend. This is also a form of observation.

Quote from: mazty88 on July 09, 2009, 05:46:07 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 09, 2009, 01:24:33 AM

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We don't talk about you. We talk about other people. And as they believe that earth is round then they have been shown that it is and anyone hasn't shown them that earth is flat.

Anyone who has walked outside their home and observed the world around them knows that the earth is flat.

SO you then believe that a pen in water bends?
If you don't you are a hypocrite.

A pen feels straight in water, though it appears to bend. This is also a form of observation.

How do you know the water doesn't magically bend your fingers?
Point is, anyone who says the pen bends, and yet the earth is flat, is nothing short of a hypocrite as they trust physics on one and not the other.
Anyone who just says "The earth is flat because it looks like it" should be shot on the basis that they are retarding humanity. Clearly the earth isn't flat because you CAN OBSERVE the horizon. You can OBSERVE how the measurements of surveying doesn't work over a distance due to curvature. You can observe by reading the calculations showing the earth has an orbit.

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Not any person whom I asked haven't known that.

Everyone knows I'm a troll. They just believe I'm stubborn.

Fix'd for you.

I have experienced ship disappearing behind horizon, clouds which bottoms were illuminated, sunsets and sunrises, different set of stars in southern and northern hemisphere, circular shadow on moon at lunar eclipse and so on. All which are explained perfectly by earth being round.

Thank you, this is the answer the OP was requesting. There was no need to pad any of it out with comparisons to FET.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 09, 2009, 04:08:30 AM

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Not any person whom I asked haven't known that.

Everyone knows I'm a troll. They just believe I'm stubborn.

Fix'd for you.

Mazty, please keep this kind of crap out of the discussion forums.

My second attempt to answer the question "why I believe the earth is round."  Hopefully it won't get deleted this time.

I believe the earth is round because:

1.  This is the most plausible explanation for why the sun and moon both appear to rise daily from below the horizon, travel in an arc across the sky at constant angular velocity without changing appreciably in apparent diameter and then sink below the opposite horizon, without having to invent implausible and undemonstrable hypotheses such as bendy light and weird "perspective" effects or sun and moon as spotlights in order to justify claims that this appearance is merely some kind of illusion.

2.  It is by far the simplest and most (in fact the only one I can think of) plausible explanation for how there can be both a north and south celestial pole, each of which can be observed only from either north or south of the equator respectively and around which all the observable stars appear to rotate (half around one and the other half around the other, or in other words, seeming to form the opposite ends of an axis around which all the observable stars appear to rotate).

3.  It is by far the simplest and most plausible explanation for the observation that the angular distance above the northern or southern horizon of these celestial poles changes linearly with distance as we move due north or south.

4. For centuries, mariners have successfully used celestial navigation, which absolutely depends on RET being correct, to find their way across the earth's surface.

I could easily make a much longer list, but this will suffice for now.

I know the Earth is round, because I have seen pictures.  Before FEers flame me for this, please accept that I do not believe the conspiracy - FEers believe what you want if it makes you happy or gives you something to do that you feel is worth doing.  But to me a round Earth makes the most sense.  I can't see distant countries from atop the mountains around my home, simply because they are beyond and 'below' the distant horizon.  Satellites, lunar eclipses, sunrises and sunsets, planetary movements, I have seen simulated in 3D models and can accurately predict where and when each will occur for many distant dates.  I was taught maths, physics, biology, chemistry and other things by people who have spent their lives dedicated to said subjects, and they passed on their knowledge to me and others, teaching as how to use these subjects to analyse the worlds around us.  I trust that these people are granting me legitimate knowledge on how the world works, and in the case of physics and astronomy, I have sometimes pursued the subject further. 

I'm not saying RE knows everything about the Universe - I don't know if gravitons actually exist, or dark matter, or a hundred other things, but science is a work in progress, I'm not going to question everything just because certain aspects of the physical world cant be described in 100% detail.


And it is tripe like this:

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Not any person whom I asked haven't known that.

Everyone knows that the earth is flat. They just believe that it's round.

Open your eyes and look around you. Then read Earth Not a Globe by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

that really ticks me off.  How can you possibly presume to know what people think Bishop? I don't believe the Earth is round I know it is.  If you know that the Earth is flat, that's your right. 

I believe the Earth is round because:

1. I always have. It was taught to me in school. (but don't use the genetic fallacy against me)
2. I have not seen any legitimate contradictory evidence but am intrigued by the possibility of such evidence.
3. FET is totally ad hoc. The claims made are only made to support a preconceived conclusion, not independently.
4. I have seen a lunar eclipse. The shadow was round, and the only explanation for that round shadow is that the Earth made it. The sun was on the other side of the Earth at the time, and so the shadow of the Earth was cast on the moon. The sun had to be on the other side of the Earth, because the sun had set several hours prior to the moon's eclipse fiasco. (simple extrapolation of a circular path)
5. I think it's more likely that God made a world with my worldview than than a world where he had to deceive us with round shadows on the moon during eclipses cast by an object of a different composition than the rest of the matter of the universe (i.e. a nonexistent object) just to convince 99% of the world of a false round Earth.

SO you then believe that a pen in water bends?
If you don't you are a hypocrite.

At least one REer understands the observation thing. Now go tell your buddies to stop using a curved horizon as proof of a round Earth.

They're the only pilots we have. And they say that curvature cannot be seen.

Why are you using the plural form, when only one "pilot" has posted this.  Also, the person mentioned merely has a pilots license, and is not a pilot by trade.

Also, how do you explain these?  

the picture of the plane's wing suggests a curve... i've seen this curve before - on my frisbee. BAM!

I updated a few more pics

First you need to show that (in this case, curved horizon) there is some kind of change in media causing the observation to differ from reality.

Well, there is the whole atmosphere thing. Plus, a change in medium isn't the only way to produce an illusion.

Even assuming that to be true for the sake of argument, why should you believe the Earth is round? A long time ago, there was much more science supporting the Ptolemaic model of the Universe than any other. How can you be sure that we aren't just as wrong now?

Well, the Ptolemaic model also supported a round Earth.

Why are you using the plural form, when only one "pilot" has posted this.  Also, the person mentioned merely has a pilots license, and is not a pilot by trade.

Also, how do you explain these?

It's called barrel roll.

It's called barrel roll.

?  Can you elaborate?  I thought a barrel roll is when an object makes a complete rotation on its longitudinal axis.

Shrug.

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Why are you using the plural form, when only one "pilot" has posted this.  Also, the person mentioned merely has a pilots license, and is not a pilot by trade.

Also, how do you explain these?

It's called barrel roll.

No Tom.  It's called barrel distortion. 

How about Day and Night? Do you seriously believe someone pulls a switch each morning and night? And the seasons? Those explanations of varying sun rotations and the equator just don't work. C'mon think a little!!

After seeing a hundred of these threads directed at FE believers, I would like to hear some answers as to why REers believe what they do.

How about logic? ....................I doubt you have the slightest idea of the concept!

How about Day and Night? Do you seriously believe someone pulls a switch each morning and night? And the seasons? Those explanations of varying sun rotations and the equator just don't work. C'mon think a little!!

I know you'll hate me for saying FAQ, but FAQ.

I don't understand how flat earthers (cant believe I joined this forum... but anyway) explain how when I go down to the beach and look at the horizon it makes a curve shape? This is also observed when I have flown in a plane. How do FE explain how it doesn't take as long as it should for me to get from Australia to other 'southern hemisphere' country on the other side of the so called FE say for example south america...

Also I wanted to know how FE (these abreviations are hilarious) peoples friends and family members feel about their beliefs if they know about them since I have never met a FE believer in real life and imagine they would get lots of flak.

I don't understand how flat earthers (cant believe I joined this forum... but anyway) explain how when I go down to the beach and look at the horizon it makes a curve shape? This is also observed when I have flown in a plane. How do FE explain how it doesn't take as long as it should for me to get from Australia to other 'southern hemisphere' country on the other side of the so called FE say for example south america...

Also I wanted to know how FE (these abreviations are hilarious) peoples friends and family members feel about their beliefs if they know about them since I have never met a FE believer in real life and imagine they would get lots of flak.

I agree dude , I cant believe I joined this forum either, but I couldn't resist asking some questions. I'm beginning to think these peeps are like the spiked hairdo guy you see walking down the street, it's all just to get attention and get a rise out of others, None of them can really answer any questions, it's a farce! LMAO!!

I don't understand how flat earthers (cant believe I joined this forum... but anyway) explain how when I go down to the beach and look at the horizon it makes a curve shape? This is also observed when I have flown in a plane.

Unless you have flown via concorde or in high-altitude military jets, you cannot possibly have seen the curvature of the Earth. Even if the Earth was round, you would have to be at an altitude way above that used by commercial airliners today to observe the Earth's curvature. I think 60,000 feet is the approximate figure given, but I'm not sure.

Needless to say, that means you definitely cannot observe said curvature from the beach. That's not just the viewpoint of Flat Earth Theory; RE scientists will tell you the same thing.

I know the earth is Round because:

1.- I flew a Jetfighter in southamerica, near to 60.000 fts, and saw the earth curvature. (4th group-IV Brigade FACh- In Punta Arenas-Chile) this city is the more austral in the world. near to Antartica.

2.- Live in the most large country (north to south) in the world, and traveled accross in car, From Arica to Chiloe- In Plane (Comercial and Military) From Arica (north) to Antartica (South) more than 6.000 km from North to south (and I saw the time and other stuff that can be prove and demostrated by RE maps).

3.- Your map is less than accurate in show the real size of Argentina and Chile (that's is so important) Earth is not only the north hemisphere, so you are wrong there. Show an accurate FE map what can prove the real distance that I know by empiric experience of southamerica.

Needless to say, that means you definitely cannot observe said curvature from the beach. That's not just the viewpoint of Flat Earth Theory; RE scientists will tell you the same thing.

I have photos, other people have posted photos on here from the beach but you guys have a non scientific explanation for everything anyway.

I wish I could put someone like Stephen Hawking in my place to refute everything you guys say.