Why do you think the Earth is round?

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #121 on: July 08, 2009, 01:09:18 AM »
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #122 on: July 08, 2009, 05:39:13 AM »
You seem to be a man of reason. You can't really query a RE believer as it complies to the scientific method. However FET has holes in it which it fills with highly unscientific ideas (conspiracy & philisophical scepticism) and falls down to Occam's Razor.

None of these sentences seem to carry a great deal of relevance to the thread, or to each other. Furthermore, most of this paragraph does not make any sense.

There is much science supporting a RE whereas there is almost nothing to support a flat earth. Surely the logical approach would deem a RE far more reasonable & a logical conclusion than a FE. This is generally why people believe in a round earth.

Again, there is no logical flow to your concluding sentence from the balance of the paragraph. While it may be true - to the minds of some - that RET is far more reasonable than FET, why should this mean that you believe the Earth to be round? "More reasonable" is comparative and does not equate to, nor does it suggest, the superlative "most reasonable".

FET vs RET was only an example of two conflicting ideas and how I'd go about favouring one. My post wasn't focused on how I compare the two theories in particular. If my post doesn't satisfy you then I'm not really sure what it is you're interested in, other than perhaps a short reply on the lines of "I believe what I'm told". I'd be very disappointed if this whole thread was a cheap attempt at labelling round Earthers as close minded and I must say I'd expect more from someone so egoistic over their intelligence.

I'd like you to explain what it is about RET that makes it such a convincing theory without distracting from the topic at hand by listing flaws in FET.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 05:42:19 AM by Robosteve »
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #123 on: July 08, 2009, 06:02:31 AM »
You seem to be a man of reason. You can't really query a RE believer as it complies to the scientific method. However FET has holes in it which it fills with highly unscientific ideas (conspiracy & philisophical scepticism) and falls down to Occam's Razor.

None of these sentences seem to carry a great deal of relevance to the thread, or to each other. Furthermore, most of this paragraph does not make any sense.

There is much science supporting a RE whereas there is almost nothing to support a flat earth. Surely the logical approach would deem a RE far more reasonable & a logical conclusion than a FE. This is generally why people believe in a round earth.

Again, there is no logical flow to your concluding sentence from the balance of the paragraph. While it may be true - to the minds of some - that RET is far more reasonable than FET, why should this mean that you believe the Earth to be round? "More reasonable" is comparative and does not equate to, nor does it suggest, the superlative "most reasonable".

A round earth doesn't fall down to Occam's Razor.
There is much, much more science supporting a round earth.
What more do you need to know? It'd be like asking why someone doesn't believe in unicorns.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #124 on: July 08, 2009, 06:13:19 AM »
There is much, much more science supporting a round earth.

More science than what? I'm not asking you to compare RET to anything, I'm asking what justifies your belief in it.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #125 on: July 08, 2009, 06:20:33 AM »
There is much, much more science supporting a round earth.

More science than what? I'm not asking you to compare RET to anything, I'm asking what justifies your belief in it.

There is much, much more science supporting a round earth than any other shape.
And again, a rational man who understands science cannot logically argue that the shape of the earth is anything other than round.


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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #126 on: July 08, 2009, 06:24:02 AM »
There is much, much more science supporting a round earth than any other shape.

Even assuming that to be true for the sake of argument, why should you believe the Earth is round? A long time ago, there was much more science supporting the Ptolemaic model of the Universe than any other. How can you be sure that we aren't just as wrong now?

And again, a rational man who understands science cannot logically argue that the shape of the earth is anything other than round.

I am a rational man, I understand science, and I have spent the past year arguing for FET on these boards. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't make them lesser than you.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 06:26:37 AM by Robosteve »
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #127 on: July 08, 2009, 06:30:34 AM »
There is much, much more science supporting a round earth than any other shape.

Even assuming that to be true for the sake of argument, why should you believe the Earth is round?

And again, a rational man who understands science cannot logically argue that the shape of the earth is anything other than round.

I am a rational man, I understand science, and I have spent the past year arguing for FET on these boards. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't make them lesser than you.

All scientists understand Occam's Razor, the need for a hypothesis and evidence.
All philosophers understand the pointlessness of scepticism and the infinite regression of absurdity it creates as highlighted by Wittgenstein.
Sure, question the science in front of you, but from a logical point of view.
As I have said, a person, both scientist and philosopher, cannot logically believe or argue for a Flat Earth due to:
a)the absurd ideas for it to work
b)the evidence there is for a round earth.
This is why people believe in a round earth.
Plus I never said anyone was lesser than someone else. Let's keep in impersonal.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #128 on: July 08, 2009, 06:40:58 AM »
All scientists understand Occam's Razor, the need for a hypothesis and evidence.
All philosophers understand the pointlessness of scepticism and the infinite regression of absurdity it creates as highlighted by Wittgenstein.
Sure, question the science in front of you, but from a logical point of view.
As I have said, a person, both scientist and philosopher, cannot logically believe or argue for a Flat Earth due to:
a)the absurd ideas for it to work
b)the evidence there is for a round earth.
This is why people believe in a round earth.

So we're back to "people believe in a Round Earth because they don't believe in a Flat Earth"? We really aren't getting anywhere in this discussion, are we?

Plus I never said anyone was lesser than someone else. Let's keep in impersonal.

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And again, a rational man who understands science cannot logically argue that the shape of the earth is anything other than round.
implies that anyone who does argue for FET is either irrational or does not understand science.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #129 on: July 08, 2009, 07:15:52 AM »
All scientists understand Occam's Razor, the need for a hypothesis and evidence.
All philosophers understand the pointlessness of scepticism and the infinite regression of absurdity it creates as highlighted by Wittgenstein.
Sure, question the science in front of you, but from a logical point of view.
As I have said, a person, both scientist and philosopher, cannot logically believe or argue for a Flat Earth due to:
a)the absurd ideas for it to work
b)the evidence there is for a round earth.
This is why people believe in a round earth.

So we're back to "people believe in a Round Earth because they don't believe in a Flat Earth"? We really aren't getting anywhere in this discussion, are we?

You must have missed out on the bold type I added.


Plus I never said anyone was lesser than someone else. Let's keep in impersonal.


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And again, a rational man who understands science cannot logically argue that the shape of the earth is anything other than round.
implies that anyone who does argue for FET is either irrational or does not understand science.
And that is still does not say anything about him thinking less of you. I would say he thinks that you are wrong and need to be thought most likely. Does a school teacher think less of his/her students because they do not know something he/she does?

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #130 on: July 08, 2009, 07:20:18 AM »
You must have missed out on the bold type I added.

No, I didn't. He was listing that as a reason for not believing in FET, not for believing in RET.

And that is still does not say anything about him thinking less of you. I would say he thinks that you are wrong and need to be thought most likely.

And in doing so, he makes an assumption about me which is blatantly false because he is too narrow-minded to comprehend the fact that an educated person might disagree with him.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #131 on: July 08, 2009, 07:22:46 AM »
So we're back to "people believe in a Round Earth because they don't believe in a Flat Earth"? We really aren't getting anywhere in this discussion, are we?
If you say "people" then there are not one person in any town available who is willing to take up the task and teach and explain the theory, mechanics and physics of Flat Earth to the "people". Yes, there are some communities as some have mentioned but they stay for himself and don't go for city halls and governments for asking to take under the consideration to teach alternative theory of the shape of the earth on schools. They even don't do big events with speakers and lectures(as some religious sects and creationists do) where people can ask questions and get explanations. So, the answer is that there just isn't any alternative theory available which anyone can explain to the people.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #132 on: July 08, 2009, 07:24:53 AM »
So, the answer is that there just isn't any alternative theory which anyone can explain to the people available.

No, that isn't an answer. Why is the lack of an alternative theory justification for belief in RET?
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #133 on: July 08, 2009, 07:36:53 AM »
So, the answer is that there just isn't any alternative theory which anyone can explain to the people available.

No, that isn't an answer. Why is the lack of an alternative theory justification for belief in RET?
That is one answer. If you want slightly different opinion then people just don't have any reason to doubt that the earth isn't round. They are offered history and explanations in other sciences and it is all logical and makes sense. So, they just don't have reason to doubt and not one person offers them another choice. It still goes down to this that they have not any other reasonable theory.
 I guess I can ask that do you believe that there are one Sun or new Sun every new day? Some ancient people believed that Sun dies every evening and is born again in every morning. If you believe that there is one Sun then what is the reason the you don't believe that there is multitude of Suns...
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #134 on: July 08, 2009, 07:39:58 AM »
That is one answer. If you want slightly different opinion then people just don't have any reason to doubt that the earth isn't round. They are offered history and explanations in other sciences and it is all logical and makes sense. So, they just don't have reason to doubt and not one person offers them another choice. It still goes down to this that they have not any other reasonable theory.

So basically it comes down to them blindly accepting what they have been told?

I guess I can ask that do you believe that there are one Sun or new Sun every new day? Some ancient people believed that Sun dies every evening and is born again in every morning. If you believe that there is one Sun then what is the reason the you don't believe that there is multitude of Suns...

I believe there is one Sun, partly because I accept the law of conservation of mass-energy, and partly because I have been to various places around the world and experienced jet lag for myself, which is evidence that when the Sun sets in one location it is still visible in many others.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #135 on: July 08, 2009, 07:52:03 AM »
FET vs RET was only an example of two conflicting ideas and how I'd go about favouring one. My post wasn't focused on how I compare the two theories in particular. If my post doesn't satisfy you then I'm not really sure what it is you're interested in, other than perhaps a short reply on the lines of "I believe what I'm told". I'd be very disappointed if this whole thread was a cheap attempt at labelling round Earthers as close minded and I must say I'd expect more from someone so egoistic over their intelligence.

I'd like you to explain what it is about RET that makes it such a convincing theory without distracting from the topic at hand by listing flaws in FET.

Again, here's what was in my first post:

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I believe in a round Earth because superior scientific minds to mine have concluded that a round Earth is more plausible than other rival theories. It's impossible as far as I'm concerned to learn and test every single scientific theory and idea for myself, so it's necessary to put trust into scientists who have earned it. When concerning the shape of the Earth I'm happy to follow the majority of scientific authority and conclude for myself that it's round. This level of naivety I believe is excusable when I also admit that as soon as a more credible and widely accepted theory comes along I will have an open mind and will happily embrace this new theory provided it makes more sense.

When I say "makes more sense" I think this comes with two criteria. The first is that it comes with more scientific proof and evidence than its predecessor, I leave it to the general scientific authorities to demonstrate their approval of the evidence rather than testing it for myself. The second is that the theory is free of pseudoscience. This means the theory answers more questions than its predecessor and doesn't give rise to more questions than it answers.





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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2009, 07:58:30 AM »
I believe there is one Sun, partly because I accept the law of conservation of mass-energy, and partly because I have been to various places around the world and experienced jet lag for myself, which is evidence that when the Sun sets in one location it is still visible in many others.
This isn't the answer. The sun still set's and rises whenever you go and that means that there is time period where you don't see the Sun and in that time who knows what happens to the Sun. Yes, others say that they see the Sun in other places but they may lie to you and there may be the conspiracy to hide the fact that Sun is destroyed every night and rebuilt again.


So basically it comes down to them blindly accepting what they have been told?
No, it basically comes down to this that people are explained and shown that the earth is round. And not one person shows them otherwise. There isn't blind acceptance anywhere.

Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #137 on: July 08, 2009, 08:01:53 AM »
You must have missed out on the bold type I added.

No, I didn't. He was listing that as a reason for not believing in FET, not for believing in RET.

And that is still does not say anything about him thinking less of you. I would say he thinks that you are wrong and need to be thought most likely.

And in doing so, he makes an assumption about me which is blatantly false because he is too narrow-minded to comprehend the fact that an educated person might disagree with him.
Robosteve back up a second.
Let's go over this:
1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth.
2)There is very little evidence for a Flat Earth.

Sorry, but when there is more evidence for a certain shape e.g. that the earth is round, it is logical to then believe the earth is round.
AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT

Evidence for a round earth is evidence to believe the earth is round & evidence that the earth is not flat. Kind of obvious.
And again, you have yet to show how a scientist or philosopher can believe in a flat earth.
I'm not saying "All FE believers are (insert derogatory comment)", I'm saying they don't fully grasp the scientific method e.g. Hypothesis, -> evidence -> conclusion.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #138 on: July 08, 2009, 08:08:11 AM »
You must have missed out on the bold type I added.

No, I didn't. He was listing that as a reason for not believing in FET, not for believing in RET.

And that is still does not say anything about him thinking less of you. I would say he thinks that you are wrong and need to be thought most likely.

And in doing so, he makes an assumption about me which is blatantly false because he is too narrow-minded to comprehend the fact that an educated person might disagree with him.
Robosteve back up a second.
Let's go over this:
1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth.
2)There is very little evidence for a Flat Earth.

Sorry, but when there is more evidence for a certain shape e.g. that the earth is round, it is logical to then believe the earth is round.
AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT

Evidence for a round earth is evidence to believe the earth is round & evidence that the earth is not flat. Kind of obvious.
And again, you have yet to show how a scientist or philosopher can believe in a flat earth.
I'm not saying "All FE believers are (insert derogatory comment)", I'm saying they don't fully grasp the scientific method e.g. Hypothesis, -> evidence -> conclusion.

I agree on this. I haven't seen one claim from the FE'ers where they have followed the scientific method to come to their conclusions.
mazty88: Regarding you example of how the scientific method is done, isn't it also necessary to repeat the experiment before we conclude?

Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #139 on: July 08, 2009, 08:22:43 AM »
You must have missed out on the bold type I added.

No, I didn't. He was listing that as a reason for not believing in FET, not for believing in RET.

And that is still does not say anything about him thinking less of you. I would say he thinks that you are wrong and need to be thought most likely.

And in doing so, he makes an assumption about me which is blatantly false because he is too narrow-minded to comprehend the fact that an educated person might disagree with him.
Robosteve back up a second.
Let's go over this:
1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth.
2)There is very little evidence for a Flat Earth.

Sorry, but when there is more evidence for a certain shape e.g. that the earth is round, it is logical to then believe the earth is round.
AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT

Evidence for a round earth is evidence to believe the earth is round & evidence that the earth is not flat. Kind of obvious.
And again, you have yet to show how a scientist or philosopher can believe in a flat earth.
I'm not saying "All FE believers are (insert derogatory comment)", I'm saying they don't fully grasp the scientific method e.g. Hypothesis, -> evidence -> conclusion.

I agree on this. I haven't seen one claim from the FE'ers where they have followed the scientific method to come to their conclusions.
mazty88: Regarding you example of how the scientific method is done, isn't it also necessary to repeat the experiment before we conclude?
Yep, or have a control of some sort depending on the experiment.
Certain significance tests can also help in verifying the importance of results.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #140 on: July 08, 2009, 08:29:25 AM »
Seriously, I simply do not believe in massive conspiracy theories with no direct evidence to support them.  It's not necessarily a matter of simply believing what I am told without question, it's more about the difficulty that I believe would be required to orchestrate such a lie.

And where is the logical connection from this to a belief that the Earth is round?

I take their word for it, look I admit that it is just belief, and that in itself is not logical or rational.  My above post was merely a justification for the belief.

I do not have direct evidence that the earth is round, however there is plenty of observable evidence that it is not flat.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #141 on: July 08, 2009, 09:56:04 AM »
Again, here's what was in my first post:

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I believe in a round Earth because superior scientific minds to mine have concluded that a round Earth is more plausible than other rival theories. It's impossible as far as I'm concerned to learn and test every single scientific theory and idea for myself, so it's necessary to put trust into scientists who have earned it. When concerning the shape of the Earth I'm happy to follow the majority of scientific authority and conclude for myself that it's round. This level of naivety I believe is excusable when I also admit that as soon as a more credible and widely accepted theory comes along I will have an open mind and will happily embrace this new theory provided it makes more sense.

When I say "makes more sense" I think this comes with two criteria. The first is that it comes with more scientific proof and evidence than its predecessor, I leave it to the general scientific authorities to demonstrate their approval of the evidence rather than testing it for myself. The second is that the theory is free of pseudoscience. This means the theory answers more questions than its predecessor and doesn't give rise to more questions than it answers.

I read your post. All I see is you comparing it to rival theories, without giving any reason for what makes you believe in it.

This isn't the answer. The sun still set's and rises whenever you go and that means that there is time period where you don't see the Sun and in that time who knows what happens to the Sun. Yes, others say that they see the Sun in other places but they may lie to you and there may be the conspiracy to hide the fact that Sun is destroyed every night and rebuilt again.

Yes, I know there is that possibility. But having personally experienced jet lag significantly, I am inclined to believe that there is only one Sun.

No, it basically comes down to this that people are explained and shown that the earth is round. And not one person shows them otherwise. There isn't blind acceptance anywhere.

Really? I've never been shown that the Earth is round.

Robosteve back up a second.
Let's go over this:
1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth.
2)There is very little evidence for a Flat Earth.

Sorry, but when there is more evidence for a certain shape e.g. that the earth is round, it is logical to then believe the earth is round.

Why? All you are saying is that RET is preferable to FET, and not that it has any plausibility on its own. I'm sorry, but when you have to resort to pointing out flaws in other theories to justify your own, there isn't enough evidence to justify it properly.

AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT

That's funny, because you seem to be assuming the Earth to be round by default.

Evidence for a round earth is evidence to believe the earth is round & evidence that the earth is not flat. Kind of obvious.

Then why are you talking about it as a reason why you don't believe in FET, when that is not what I am asking?

And again, you have yet to show how a scientist or philosopher can believe in a flat earth.

Because if a person were a scientist or philosopher, and believed in a Flat Earth, then that scientist or philosopher would believe in a Flat Earth. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the topic at hand, as we are debating the inherent value of RET.

I'm not saying "All FE believers are (insert derogatory comment)", I'm saying they don't fully grasp the scientific method e.g. Hypothesis, -> evidence -> conclusion.

I grasp the scientific method very well, thanks, and therefore consider it derogatory that you make such a sweeping statement about all FEers.

I take their word for it, look I admit that it is just belief, and that in itself is not logical or rational.

Thank you.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #142 on: July 08, 2009, 10:25:52 AM »

Robosteve back up a second.
Let's go over this:
1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth.
2)There is very little evidence for a Flat Earth.

Sorry, but when there is more evidence for a certain shape e.g. that the earth is round, it is logical to then believe the earth is round.

Why? All you are saying is that RET is preferable to FET, and not that it has any plausibility on its own. I'm sorry, but when you have to resort to pointing out flaws in other theories to justify your own, there isn't enough evidence to justify it properly.

AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT

That's funny, because you seem to be assuming the Earth to be round by default.

Evidence for a round earth is evidence to believe the earth is round & evidence that the earth is not flat. Kind of obvious.

Then why are you talking about it as a reason why you don't believe in FET, when that is not what I am asking?

And again, you have yet to show how a scientist or philosopher can believe in a flat earth.

Because if a person were a scientist or philosopher, and believed in a Flat Earth, then that scientist or philosopher would believe in a Flat Earth. Regardless, that is irrelevant to the topic at hand, as we are debating the inherent value of RET.

I'm not saying "All FE believers are (insert derogatory comment)", I'm saying they don't fully grasp the scientific method e.g. Hypothesis, -> evidence -> conclusion.

I grasp the scientific method very well, thanks, and therefore consider it derogatory that you make such a sweeping statement about all FEers.


Right you are on the verge of trolling. Let me explain:

Me: "1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth."
Me: "AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT "
You:"That's funny, because you seem to be assuming the Earth to be round by default."

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Really?
There is evidence for a round earth.
There is more evidence for a round earth than there is a flat earth.
HOW IS THAT SAYING "THE EARTH IS ROUND BY DEFAULT".
Evidence is proof, not speculation or assuming ANYTHING.

You have yet to show how it is scientific to believe a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is another theory which has vasts amounts of confirmed/significant evidence.
There is not a single Flat Earth theory which follows the scientific approach of hypothesis -> evidence -> conclusion.
E.g. the idea that dinosaurs sailed boats. It was just an overblown hypothesis to account for the location of skeletons. There was no evidence other than "it has to be that, otherwise FET has problems."
You are free to consider the statement derogatory even though it is not meant in an offensive way.
Again, you have yet to show how it is scientific, or even logical, to believe a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is a contrasting theory which has a vast amount of confirmed/significant evidence for it.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 10:31:23 AM by mazty88 »

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #143 on: July 08, 2009, 10:31:35 AM »
Right you are on the verge of trolling. Let me explain:

Me: "1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth."
Me: "AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT "
You:"That's funny, because you seem to be assuming the Earth to be round by default."

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Really?
There is evidence for a round earth. There is evidence that the earth is round & not flat.
HOW IS THAT SAYING "THE EARTH IS ROUND BY DEFAULT".
Evidence is proof, not speculation or assuming ANYTHING.

And yet you seem to have a lot of trouble articulating what exactly this evidence is.

You have yet to show how it is scientific to believe a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is another theory which has vasts amounts of confirmed/significant evidence.

It's not. Belief is not scientific at all, regardless of what you believe in.

There is not a single Flat Earth theory which follows the scientific approach of hypothesis -> evidence -> conclusion.
E.g. the idea that dinosaurs sailed boats. It was just an overblown hypothesis to account for the location of skeletons. There was no evidence other than "it has to be that, otherwise FET has problems."
You are free to consider the statement derogatory even though it is not meant in an offensive way.
Again, you have yet to show how it is scientific, or even logical, to believe a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is a contrasting theory which has a vast amount of confirmed/significant evidence for it.

I don't have to show this. It isn't even on topic.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #144 on: July 08, 2009, 11:37:02 AM »
Right you are on the verge of trolling. Let me explain:

Me: "1)There is a lot of evidence for a Round Earth."
Me: "AT NO POINT IS THE EARTH SEEN AS A DEFAULT SHAPE E.G. FLAT "
You:"That's funny, because you seem to be assuming the Earth to be round by default."

How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Really?
There is evidence for a round earth. There is evidence that the earth is round & not flat.
HOW IS THAT SAYING "THE EARTH IS ROUND BY DEFAULT".
Evidence is proof, not speculation or assuming ANYTHING.

And yet you seem to have a lot of trouble articulating what exactly this evidence is.

You have yet to show how it is scientific to believe a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is another theory which has vasts amounts of confirmed/significant evidence.

It's not. Belief is not scientific at all, regardless of what you believe in.

There is not a single Flat Earth theory which follows the scientific approach of hypothesis -> evidence -> conclusion.
E.g. the idea that dinosaurs sailed boats. It was just an overblown hypothesis to account for the location of skeletons. There was no evidence other than "it has to be that, otherwise FET has problems."
You are free to consider the statement derogatory even though it is not meant in an offensive way.
Again, you have yet to show how it is scientific, or even logical, to believe a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is a contrasting theory which has a vast amount of confirmed/significant evidence for it.

I don't have to show this. It isn't even on topic.

Evidence for a round earth:
Satellites (image resolution etc)
Flight times
Navigation charts
Surveying techniques

Now, can you scientifically show how those pieces of evidence are incorrect? This is the real test to see how much of the scientific method you understand.
You are getting to worked up on wording: You have yet to show how it is logical to accept a theory which has little to no evidence for it, while there is another theory which has a vast amount of confirmed/significant evidence.
And the final point is on topic. The topic is "Why do you believe in a round earth?"
It is reasonable to respond to this by saying "1)There is evidence for it, 2)There is no other theory which seems logical to subscribe to, as all other theories are lacking evidence & proof."

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Parsifal

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #145 on: July 08, 2009, 11:55:39 AM »
Evidence for a round earth:
Satellites (image resolution etc)
Flight times
Navigation charts
Surveying techniques

Thank you. This is what the OP was asking for.
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zork

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #146 on: July 08, 2009, 11:11:01 PM »
This isn't the answer. The sun still set's and rises whenever you go and that means that there is time period where you don't see the Sun and in that time who knows what happens to the Sun. Yes, others say that they see the Sun in other places but they may lie to you and there may be the conspiracy to hide the fact that Sun is destroyed every night and rebuilt again.
Yes, I know there is that possibility. But having personally experienced jet lag significantly, I am inclined to believe that there is only one Sun.
I can argue that jet lag isn't about the sun but about the time. You just don't sleep at the the time as you used to be. So no real argument for you about Sun and as I see it you just believe in one Sun because anyone hasn't offered you another plausible theory.
 
No, it basically comes down to this that people are explained and shown that the earth is round. And not one person shows them otherwise. There isn't blind acceptance anywhere.
Really? I've never been shown that the Earth is round.
We don't talk about you. We talk about other people. And as they believe that earth is round then they have been shown that it is and anyone hasn't shown them that earth is flat.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #147 on: July 09, 2009, 01:24:33 AM »
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We don't talk about you. We talk about other people. And as they believe that earth is round then they have been shown that it is and anyone hasn't shown them that earth is flat.

Anyone who has walked outside their home and observed the world around them knows that the earth is flat.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2009, 01:35:28 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #148 on: July 09, 2009, 01:28:55 AM »
I can argue that jet lag isn't about the sun but about the time. You just don't sleep at the the time as you used to be. So no real argument for you about Sun and as I see it you just believe in one Sun because anyone hasn't offered you another plausible theory.

What? The reason for not sleeping at the same time is because the Sun is in the sky at different times; having witnessed this first hand provides significant enough evidence for me to justify a belief in a singular Sun to myself.
 
We don't talk about you. We talk about other people. And as they believe that earth is round then they have been shown that it is and anyone hasn't shown them that earth is flat.

I'd be very interested to know how exactly they are "shown" that the Earth is round.
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Re: Why do you think the Earth is round?
« Reply #149 on: July 09, 2009, 02:00:27 AM »
I can argue that jet lag isn't about the sun but about the time. You just don't sleep at the the time as you used to be. So no real argument for you about Sun and as I see it you just believe in one Sun because anyone hasn't offered you another plausible theory.
What? The reason for not sleeping at the same time is because the Sun is in the sky at different times; having witnessed this first hand provides significant enough evidence for me to justify a belief in a singular Sun to myself.
You can't bring your experience and logic in here. I have experienced ship disappearing behind horizon, clouds which bottoms were illuminated, sunsets and sunrises, different set of stars in southern and northern hemisphere, circular shadow on moon at lunar eclipse and so on. All which are explained perfectly by earth being round. So, if other people must somehow doubt about earth being round without any reasonable explanations for these phenomenons(and I didn't mention the correct map with what you can really go somewhere and you actually arrive where you go) then why don't you doubt the existence of one Sun even when there aren't any other plausible hypothesis? As all of you have shown us then personal experience counts for nothing.
 
I'd be very interested to know how exactly they are "shown" that the Earth is round.
Same things apply here as I wrote above.

Anyone who has walked outside their home and observed the world around them knows that the earth is flat.
Not any person whom I asked haven't known that. And they all walk outside. And all they can observe is relatively small piece of ground. So, your claim is totally baseless.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.