FET is creationism, nothing more.

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Raist

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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2009, 09:51:49 AM »
Acceleration is the derivative of velocity.

It's been a while since I've taken calculus, but don't you have that backwards?

No. A derivative is the slope of the graph, and acceleration is the slope of a velocity graph. You're probably thinking of anti derivatives which would be going the other way.

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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #91 on: June 26, 2009, 10:00:15 AM »
It's been a while since I've taken calculus, but don't you have that backwards?

Raist is correct, but to be more specific acceleration is the time derivative of velocity. This may be contrasted with - for instance - the displacement derivative of velocity, which can be shown using the chain rule to be equal to acceleration divided by velocity.
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« Reply #92 on: June 26, 2009, 10:08:40 AM »
Thirded. Since the derivative is the slope of a line, that means:
If time is the x-axis and distance is the y-axis, speed is slope (∆y/∆x).
distance / time = speed.

If time is the x-axis and speed is the y-axis, acceleration is is the slope (∆y/∆x).
speed / time = acceleration OR distance / time /time = distance / time2 = acceleration
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #93 on: June 26, 2009, 10:09:38 AM »
speed / time = acceleration OR distance / time /time = distance / time2 = acceleration

False.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #94 on: June 26, 2009, 10:20:56 AM »
Bah.  No wonder I sucked a calculus.
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« Reply #95 on: June 26, 2009, 10:29:43 AM »
speed / time = acceleration OR distance / time / time = distance / time2 = acceleration
False.
I'm using velocity and speed interchangeably cause I'm a rebel.  ;)
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« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2009, 11:10:17 AM »
speed / time = acceleration OR distance / time / time = distance / time2 = acceleration
False.
I'm using velocity and speed interchangeably cause I'm a rebel.  ;)

I think he was referring to your second one. Not the speed.

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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2009, 11:40:55 AM »
My second what?

m/s is referring to speed?
m/s/s = m/s2?
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2009, 11:42:56 AM »
My second what?
m/s/s = m/s2?

idk, he tends to be a pedant.

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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2009, 07:37:16 PM »
I'm using velocity and speed interchangeably cause I'm a rebel.  ;)

So are you referring to the vector quantity velocity, or the scalar quantity speed? Also, distance is a scalar.

I think he was referring to your second one. Not the speed.

The second one isn't entirely correct either, though
m/s/s = m/s2?
is perfectly valid notation.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #100 on: June 26, 2009, 07:55:26 PM »
The second one isn't entirely correct either, though
m/s/s = m/s2?
is perfectly valid notation.
Valid, but annoying.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #101 on: June 26, 2009, 09:13:20 PM »
I love how any talk of physics deteriorates into a "look how smart I am!" contest.

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« Reply #102 on: June 26, 2009, 09:18:02 PM »
I love how any talk of physics deteriorates into a "look how smart I am!" contest.
This. I actually took the time to make my own face palm but you responded too fast.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #103 on: June 26, 2009, 10:34:47 PM »
The second one isn't entirely correct either, though
m/s/s = m/s2?
is perfectly valid notation.
Valid, but annoying.

perfectly explanatory and considering it was written for someone that doesn't know the difference between velocity and acceleration, the ms-2 notation would have confused him to no end.

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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #104 on: June 27, 2009, 04:08:35 AM »
And Daniel explicitly gives credit to others for writing the FAQ. Moreover, an identical FAQ is elsewhere provided by TheEngineer, with the exact same accreditation. Thus it is clear that Daniel was not posting the work as his own, but that of others.

Yes. He credits them with writing the FAQ, but ultimately it's his site and his FAQ. The Engineer copied Daniels FAQ. (Check the dates)

Daniel is the only official voice of TFES. He approved the FAQ. The FAQ references Rowbotham.


If you can persuade Daniel to remove the references to Rowbotham from the FAQ then you might be onto something...

Not important. It clearly states that it is not his work, and that even if it were, posts on this site (including his own, hence the 'any') do not necessarily represent the views of the society itself. Honestly KillaBee, the FAQ is a subtle piece of work. If you want to tackle me on this, you'll probably need a lawyer.


Besides, the massive disclaimer at the start makes it plain that the FAQ is not meant to be a representation of 'official' beliefs, but rather just a guide for newcomers designed to avoid the need for endless 'How come I flew to Japan?' topics.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #105 on: June 27, 2009, 09:41:14 AM »
The second one isn't entirely correct either, though
m/s/s = m/s2?
is perfectly valid notation.
Valid, but annoying.

It can be rather useful when breaking down large physics equations, however.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #106 on: June 27, 2009, 09:22:21 PM »
The second one isn't entirely correct either, though
m/s/s = m/s2?
is perfectly valid notation.
Valid, but annoying.

It can be rather useful when breaking down large physics equations, however.

And it can be rather annoying when RoboSteve is using it just to show off how smart he is.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #107 on: June 27, 2009, 10:58:22 PM »
And it can be rather annoying when RoboSteve is using it just to show off how smart he is.

What? ﮎingulaЯiτy used that notation, not me.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #108 on: June 28, 2009, 09:51:16 AM »
The second one isn't entirely correct either, though
m/s/s = m/s2?
is perfectly valid notation.
Valid, but annoying.

It can be rather useful when breaking down large physics equations, however.

And it can be rather annoying when RoboSteve is using it just to show off how smart he is.

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you're a genius.

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« Reply #109 on: June 29, 2009, 05:40:58 PM »
It clearly states that it is not his work, and that even if it were, posts on this site (including his own, hence the 'any') do not necessarily represent the views of the society itself.

'Fraid not. The FAQ was written by Daniel

No it wasn't. He even says as much. The post has even been edited by Jack- you can see that on the post. You can't sit there and say Daniel wrote the FAQ, when he says in the FAQ that 'all credit' goes to other people. Also, I've just noticed that the FAQ posted by EnragedPenguin in this board predates the post made by Daniel, so it's now even clearer that he did not write it in the first instance, but rather copied it in order to have it posted in the Questions & Clarifications board.

So now we have Daniel saying in his post that it was written by others, and an identical post predating it and posted by someone else 9also saying it was written by others), both of which have subsequently been edited by other people, all of which proves conclusively that Daniel did not write it. Furthermore, as the disclaimer in the FAQ itself states, even when posted by Daniel it is not necessarily the official view of the Flat Earth Society. Rather, it's just what it's called- an FAQ, no more, no less.
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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #110 on: June 30, 2009, 11:25:08 AM »
It would appear that "moderators" here take threads off-topic more than anyone else... hmm...

Repeating over and over that you are not religious proves nothing.

FET requires a belief in a creator regardless of anything in the bible.  Even if FET is your only false belief, it defines you as a creationist.

Embrace your faith or you will go to hell.
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« Reply #111 on: June 30, 2009, 11:32:28 AM »
It would appear that "moderators" here take threads off-topic more than anyone else... hmm...

Repeating over and over that you are not religious proves nothing.

FET requires a belief in a creator regardless of anything in the bible.  Even if FET is your only false belief, it defines you as a creationist.

Embrace your faith or you will go to hell.

No it doesn't.

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Re: FET is creationism, nothing more.
« Reply #112 on: June 30, 2009, 11:36:27 AM »
Don't be so retarted Skeptek. FET in no way requires a belief in a creator. You oughtta ban yourself til you get some brains.
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« Reply #113 on: June 30, 2009, 04:42:38 PM »
Don't be so retarted Skeptek. FET in no way requires a belief in a creator. You oughtta ban yourself til you get some brains.
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« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2009, 04:04:29 AM »

FET requires a belief in a creator regardless of anything in the bible.  Even if FET is your only false belief, it defines you as a creationist.

What is the basis for this? Simply what IS the basis for this ridiculous claim? Why is this any more or less true of a Round Earth? Neither model requires any sort of supernatural or spiritual belief.

You can provide me with an answer after the expiry of your probationary ban for content-free posting in the post immediately above mine.

In the mean time, if anyone who is quite as much of a dumbshoe as Skeptek would like to advance an explanation of this claim in his absence, feel free.

Why does holding ANY belief about the shape of the Earth imply holding ANY belief about the existence of a creator?
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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2009, 08:17:52 AM »
Because the founders of the flat earth society were devout christians.
So yeah you should believe in a creator!

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« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2009, 09:08:09 AM »
Because the founders of the flat earth society were devout christians.
So yeah you should believe in a creator!

How can you be so foolish? Newton, inventor of gravity, was also a devout Christian. Ought globularists to be devout Chrstians also?

Better yet, the first globularist, Plato, believed in state-sponsored eugenics, as well as a fantasy world of perfect ideals which beamed reality into physical objects. Ought globularists believe either of these?
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« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2009, 04:57:42 PM »
The problem is that FET is so complicated, with one thing like the UA being needed to explain gravity and then another theory having to be bolted onto that to explain how the sun and moon stay up and then you have to invent a reason for the air staying in and how the orbits vary in some special way to make seasons, etc. It just goes on and on with endless kludges being made to the theory each time someone finds a bug in it.

FET has more patches than MS Windows.

The Universal Accelerator is a constant farce.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

From the FAQ - "In general, we at the Flat Earth Society do not lend much credibility to photographic evidence."

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« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2009, 05:08:52 PM »
The problem is that FET is so complicated, with one thing like the UA being needed to explain gravity and then another theory having to be bolted onto that to explain how the sun and moon stay up and then you have to invent a reason for the air staying in and how the orbits vary in some special way to make seasons, etc. It just goes on and on with endless kludges being made to the theory each time someone finds a bug in it.

FET has more patches than MS Windows.
The fact that RET accepts MASS as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.


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« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2009, 10:30:29 PM »
The problem is that FET is so complicated, with one thing like the UA being needed to explain gravity and then another theory having to be bolted onto that to explain how the sun and moon stay up and then you have to invent a reason for the air staying in and how the orbits vary in some special way to make seasons, etc. It just goes on and on with endless kludges being made to the theory each time someone finds a bug in it.

FET has more patches than MS Windows.
The fact that RET accepts MASS as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue unexplained.




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