altranit realitys

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altranit realitys
« on: June 11, 2009, 10:20:39 PM »
ok as you know of the  matrix and stuff well i believe we are all sleeping the universe as we know it is not real at any given moment we could wake up and be any where any thing. things so unimaginable. everything you do see touch smell ect. is simply electrical signals to the brain right well theoretically if i could change the signals i na way you would have a altrinit world appear this is the reality im scared off am i a person that has the signals altered right?....


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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 02:49:44 AM »
What does "altranit" mean?
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 04:46:21 AM »
No seriously whats altranit?
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 05:33:18 AM »
No seriously whats altranit?

an alternative intrinet?

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 09:08:39 AM »
Should it be REALITIES?
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 09:09:27 AM »
Did anyone else have difficulty reading through that?
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 09:11:32 AM »
Did anyone else have difficulty reading through that?
I didn't even try for fear of getting a stroke.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 09:59:21 AM »
Did anyone else have difficulty reading through that?

There was meaningful content somewhere in the OP?
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 11:20:43 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

This should be obvious to anybody who gives the slightest consideration to anything but eating and sleeping.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 11:22:37 AM »
Did anyone else have difficulty reading through that?

There was meaningful content somewhere in the OP?

No, but I tried finding some.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 11:32:36 AM »
We are actually all towels.


Towels.

Yes.

Towels.


All of us. Hanging up on a rack, thinking we are living this life.

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 11:37:51 AM »
There's nothing obvious about it... it's a philosophical puzzle which has no real answer.

:rolleyes:

No, it's obvious that if the brain is the centre of all consciousness (and there seems no reason to believe otherwise), we could not truly know if anything beyond it is real. More generally, we cannot tell if anything beyond the source of our consciousness is real, regardless of what physically embodies said consciousness.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 11:52:21 AM »
I am posting in this quality thread.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 12:04:02 PM »
Welcome to the matrix.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2009, 05:20:12 AM »
That's the point. How can you be sure that your senses aren't lying to you? If you cannot rely on your senses then how can you justify your actions?

Because our actions are taken within the models of the world our brains have constructed for us. There is no better justification for an alternative.
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 06:12:49 AM »
But if there exists any doubt about the world around you, how can you act and feel justified in your action? There is no justifcation for action!

Is there justification for inaction?
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2009, 06:15:04 AM »
But if there exists any doubt about the world around you, how can you act and feel justified in your action? There is no justifcation for action!

Is there justification for inaction?

Is the need for justification justified?

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2009, 06:53:15 AM »
It is plainly obvious that I am the only real person here, and you are all bits of programming.

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2009, 06:56:15 AM »
That's the point. How can you be sure that your senses aren't lying to you? If you cannot rely on your senses then how can you justify your actions?

Because our actions are taken within the models of the world our brains have constructed for us. There is no better justification for an alternative.

But if there exists any doubt about the world around you, how can you act and feel justified in your action? There is no justifcation for action!


Who needs justification? This is a basic metaphysical question, and the answer is simple: our senses could be lying to us, but it is meaningless to give a shit, because there is now way we could ever prove otherwise- everything we receive from beyond the confines of our mind is mediated through our senses. It's the great big philosophical assumption we all make, but once you get over the 'WOAH MAN, DEEP' aspect of it, it isn't actually very enlightening.

If all we have to go on are our senses and our brain, then we might as well enjoy them and act in a way that gives us the most satisfaction within our perceived reality, without caring whether it is real or not.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2009, 06:57:03 AM »
Is the need for justification justified?

That's exactly my point. If no action is inherently justified, then the best subjective justification for an action is one which makes sense with regard to what we think is real.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2009, 06:58:16 AM »
Who needs justification? This is a basic metaphysical question, and the answer is simple: our senses could be lying to us, but it is meaningless to give a shit, because there is now way we could ever prove otherwise- everything we receive from beyond the confines of our mind is mediated through our senses. It's the great big philosophical assumption we all make, but once you get over the 'WOAH MAN, DEEP' aspect of it, it isn't actually very enlightening.

If all we have to go on are our senses and our brain, then we might as well enjoy them and act in a way that gives us the most satisfaction within our perceived reality, without caring whether it is real or not.

Thank you NEEMAN, you put it better than I ever could.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2009, 07:41:30 AM »
But how can we be sure that our actions are the correct ones if it's possible that our senses are lying to us?

There's such a thing as a "correct" action?
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2009, 08:37:45 AM »
There's such a thing as a "correct" action?

It appears so...

Correct as in
the best subjective justification

You do understand the meaning of the word "subjective", don't you?
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2009, 09:18:39 AM »
That's the point. How can you be sure that your senses aren't lying to you? If you cannot rely on your senses then how can you justify your actions?

Because our actions are taken within the models of the world our brains have constructed for us. There is no better justification for an alternative.

But if there exists any doubt about the world around you, how can you act and feel justified in your action? There is no justifcation for action!


Who needs justification? This is a basic metaphysical question, and the answer is simple: our senses could be lying to us, but it is meaningless to give a shit, because there is now way we could ever prove otherwise- everything we receive from beyond the confines of our mind is mediated through our senses. It's the great big philosophical assumption we all make, but once you get over the 'WOAH MAN, DEEP' aspect of it, it isn't actually very enlightening.

If all we have to go on are our senses and our brain, then we might as well enjoy them and act in a way that gives us the most satisfaction within our perceived reality, without caring whether it is real or not.

This is why I do drugs.

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2009, 09:21:54 AM »
That's the point. How can you be sure that your senses aren't lying to you? If you cannot rely on your senses then how can you justify your actions?

Because our actions are taken within the models of the world our brains have constructed for us. There is no better justification for an alternative.

But if there exists any doubt about the world around you, how can you act and feel justified in your action? There is no justifcation for action!


Who needs justification? This is a basic metaphysical question, and the answer is simple: our senses could be lying to us, but it is meaningless to give a shit, because there is now way we could ever prove otherwise- everything we receive from beyond the confines of our mind is mediated through our senses. It's the great big philosophical assumption we all make, but once you get over the 'WOAH MAN, DEEP' aspect of it, it isn't actually very enlightening.

If all we have to go on are our senses and our brain, then we might as well enjoy them and act in a way that gives us the most satisfaction within our perceived reality, without caring whether it is real or not.

This is why I do drugs.
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2009, 10:52:32 AM »
Exactly. You willfully make a choice as to which of these actions is the "best" whilst admitting that you are probably not in full posession of the facts.

Seems a little precarious to me.

That is because you are a fucking twit. If it's not possible to justify your actions, then stop making the wilful decision to post.
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2009, 05:24:57 PM »
ok as you know of the  matrix and stuff well i believe we are all sleeping the universe as we know it is not real at any given moment we could wake up and be any where any thing. things so unimaginable. everything you do see touch smell ect. is simply electrical signals to the brain right well theoretically if i could change the signals i na way you would have a altrinit world appear this is the reality im scared off am i a person that has the signals altered right?....
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2009, 02:09:34 AM »
Exactly. You willfully make a choice as to which of these actions is the "best" whilst admitting that you are probably not in full posession of the facts.

Seems a little precarious to me.
There is a difference between thinking and knowing.If one thinks something, he is in effect setting his thoughts and beliefs up in prediction that they might be disproved or corrected in some way. If one knows something, he believes with precise judgment that his thoughts and beliefs are correct and cannot be disproved or corrected. Knowing something does not require the use of the senses, it requires logic, thinking, assembling the known facts that have either been obtained or formulated by the mind, and putting them together in the right position to complete the big picture.

Facts are what we make them to be, one can believe anything, he is not shackled to a predefined logic engine like an animal, running about making decisions based on one particular input of information. If one knows that the world he sees and feels is real, then it is, in all actuality, because he knows this and does not simply think it. If one thinks it, he can only be proven right or wrong, but only proven by the one who knows.

To answer the main question, whether or not one can justify their actions and/or decisions if they cannot be sure the factors are actual, if one makes a decision based on an assumption and not a belief, if one thinks and does not know, then he cannot justify his actions because he is either one of three things: a child, an animal, or an idiot. If one knows, however, bases his decision on his own known facts that he is sure of, that is all the justification he needs, as his decision, no matter how poor or extreme, was correct, because it was based on facts, known facts, not thought facts.

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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2009, 02:27:50 AM »
There is a difference between thinking and knowing.If one thinks something, he is in effect setting his thoughts and beliefs up in prediction that they might be disproved or corrected in some way. If one knows something, he believes with precise judgment that his thoughts and beliefs are correct and cannot be disproved or corrected. Knowing something does not require the use of the senses, it requires logic, thinking, assembling the known facts that have either been obtained or formulated by the mind, and putting them together in the right position to complete the big picture.

Facts are what we make them to be, one can believe anything, he is not shackled to a predefined logic engine like an animal, running about making decisions based on one particular input of information. If one knows that the world he sees and feels is real, then it is, in all actuality, because he knows this and does not simply think it. If one thinks it, he can only be proven right or wrong, but only proven by the one who knows.

To answer the main question, whether or not one can justify their actions and/or decisions if they cannot be sure the factors are actual, if one makes a decision based on an assumption and not a belief, if one thinks and does not know, then he cannot justify his actions because he is either one of three things: a child, an animal, or an idiot. If one knows, however, bases his decision on his own known facts that he is sure of, that is all the justification he needs, as his decision, no matter how poor or extreme, was correct, because it was based on facts, known facts, not thought facts.

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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2009, 02:28:00 AM »
Knowing something does not require the use of the senses
Really? Is it raining outside?

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