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Travelling East to go West.

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JCAlcatraz

Travelling East to go West.
« on: June 03, 2009, 05:45:48 AM »
I may be being a bit thick here, but when I was a teenager I spent a lot of time travelling, and one of my trips took me to Alaska via the old Soviet Union, Eastwards from France (where I had arrived in Paris after flying South East from Scotland), through Europe. From Alaska I flew South East to Canada, and then East again home to the UK.

Surely this wouldn't be possible, to travel in the same general direction (East), and both depart and arrive in the UK (without turning Westwardly back on myself) unless the World was spherical.
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James

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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 05:46:57 AM »
The North Pole is the centre of the Earth. Consequently, travelling due East entails travelling in a locus around the North Pole.
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JCAlcatraz

Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 06:04:16 AM »
I have a flat earth graphic in front of me. Now according to this graphic, if I rove due East from Paris, I will cross the Med, hit Italy, then Greece, the Saudi Arabia, then your infamous 'Ice-Wall'.

In your model, according to the graphic I have in front of me, to travel from Paris, to get through mainland Europe, I would have to travel North East to the Russian Border. Once in Russia, I would then be travellin North until Siberia. In Siberia, I would then be travelling due West to the Baring Straight and into Alsaka. To get from Alaska to Toronto, according to the FE graphic, I would then have to travel due South , and from Toronto to Glasgow I would then be travelling South East.

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James

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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 06:09:51 AM »
Think about what "North" means though. "North" describes the direction towards the North Pole. Look again at the graphic. The North Pole is in the centre, so a line which extends due east from Paris forms a circle around the centre (the North Pole). If you use a compass and keep travelling East, you will be forced to take a broad circular arc. Otherwise, you will end up travelling South, toward the Ice Wall.
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Nevercry Wheezy

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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 12:00:02 PM »
as much as i hate to admit it, hes right. travelling due west would eventually bring you back to where you started in FE theory. this is because you would just travel in a circle around the north pole.

i have another question.

what about if you travel towards the north pole to try and get back to where you started? this would cut across the face of the circle. would you not hit the ice wall?
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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 02:12:22 PM »
Traveling north would take you to the north pole. RE or FE, from there you have to go south to get to your destination. Traveling north on a RE model will NEVER take you to Antarctica. Traveling north on a FE model will never take you to the Ice Wall.
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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 02:47:40 PM »
Quote from: number4 on June 03, 2009, 02:12:22 PM
Traveling north would take you to the north pole. RE or FE, from there you have to go south to get to your destination. Traveling north on a RE model will NEVER take you to Antarctica. Traveling north on a FE model will never take you to the Ice Wall.

No, I think I see what he means. He's talking about travelling towards the North Pole, and then from the North Pole travelling due South in order to try and reach the starting point (i.e. latitudinal circumnavigation).

Quote from: Nevercry Wheezy on June 03, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
what about if you travel towards the north pole to try and get back to where you started? this would cut across the face of the circle. would you not hit the ice wall?

Yes, you would reach the coast of Antarctica. If you tried to cross Antarctica and come out on the other side of the Earth, you wouldn't. You would wander perpetually in an endless-seeming frozen wasteland.
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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 05:12:30 PM »
The fact that RET accepts MASS as the reason why we experience gravity is their flaw, and therewith, untrue.
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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 08:16:52 PM »
Gravity has nothing to do with RET or FET. The gravity debate is totally seperate from these two theories.
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cmdshft

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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 10:17:41 PM »
Quote from: Colossal Death Robot on July 01, 2009, 08:16:52 PM
Gravity has nothing to do with RET or FET. The gravity debate is totally seperate from these two theories.

No it isn't. Where did you hear this?
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Squat

Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 11:14:49 PM »
Quote from: Dogplatter on June 03, 2009, 06:09:51 AM
Think about what "North" means though. "North" describes the direction towards the North Pole. Look again at the graphic. The North Pole is in the centre, so a line which extends due east from Paris forms a circle around the centre (the North Pole). If you use a compass and keep travelling East, you will be forced to take a broad circular arc. Otherwise, you will end up travelling South, toward the Ice Wall.

OK, let's leave out semantics and ask a couple of simple straightforward geographical questions.

In RET it is 6664 kilometres from Cape Point in South Africa to Cape Horn in South America across the Southern Atlantic Ocean.

What, in FET is the distance from Cape Point in South Africa to Cape Horn in South America across the Southern Atlantic Ocean?

In RET, travelling from Cape Point in South Africa to Cape Horn in South America across the Southern Atlantic Ocean, a distance of 6664 kilometres, at an average speed of 25 kph will take 266.56 hours.

What, in FET will be the time it takes to travel from Cape Point in South Africa to Cape Horn in South America across the Southern Atlantic Ocean at an average speed of 25 kph?

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Colossal Death Robot

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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 12:25:49 AM »
the "gravity" thread
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Quote from: narcberry on May 27, 2008, 05:51:47 PM
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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 06:55:24 PM »
On the Flat Earth map currently, the distance from Cape Point, South Africa to Cape Horn is around 20,220 km.

Going at 25 km/h, it will take you 808.8 hours.

However, be aware that the current map is not accurate (FET sort of can't afford a cartographer).
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Colossal Death Robot

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Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 07:36:54 PM »
and if they could, they would realise its round. Because the measurments dont match a flat earth. Its been measured, its round, find something worthwhile to debate.
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Quote from: narcberry on May 27, 2008, 05:51:47 PM
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Squat

Re: Travelling East to go West.
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009, 12:15:52 AM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on July 02, 2009, 06:55:24 PM
On the Flat Earth map currently, the distance from Cape Point, South Africa to Cape Horn is around 20,220 km.

Going at 25 km/h, it will take you 808.8 hours.

However, be aware that the current map is not accurate (FET sort of can't afford a cartographer).

Thank you.

If one thing has saddened me about my brief stay here in theflatearthsociety.org it is the non-existence of even a half decent map to back up the FE theory. However, all is not lost because now, a cartographer is not necessary. All that is required is the use of a boat and a decent clock.

The cost of many other similar type expeditions is done by sponsorship so maybe the cost of such a simple experiment as travelling from Cape Town (or Cape Point) to Cape Horn and measuring the time taken could be borne by a benevolent sponsor.
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