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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2009, 04:28:27 PM »
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I'm 19, and it's not ME who had trouble following what you said, it was raist.
And stating they're big words isn't the same as saying I can't follow shit of what you're saying.
And even if I couldn't follow it I'd still have the excuse that English isn't my native language, I'm Dutch.
Not to mention if me stating someone else has trouble following you is somehow equivalent to me not understanding it while I even post the quote where that person says he/she has trouble following it (and in case you bring it up, I mixed up killabee and raist by accident, I'm well aware of that) then I guess you are the deficient one.

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As I stated before: "the only thing I take seriously on this forum is the thought of you people taking yourselves and eachother seriously".
And being able to believe something as medieval (it's an insult to the middle ages to compare you people to the mindset of that time, braindead as they were) as a flat earth requires a complete willingness to throw all logic right out the window, regardless of mountains of evidence.

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Like I said: "You people wouldn't know the truth even if it somehow got a physical form, stood up, walked up to you, wrote "I'm a retard" on your faces and bitchslapped you.
Alternatively, you people still wouldn't know the truth even if you got strapped onto a rocket and blasted into outer space.
"meh meh, optical illusion, meh meh""

I actually said bullcrap, not bullshit. Thus:

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I "shout" when people are making pointless, unfounded, under-researched claims.

I'm one of the people on this forum that puts forward scientifically sound debates and theories and am still open to debate. Please get your facts correct before accusing people of something that is false.

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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2009, 02:11:00 AM »
... What's your point? All those quotes are exactly what's going on here..
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2009, 09:36:04 AM »
You asked me to give evidence of Lunarcry spouting rubbish. So I did.

Bal is a massive pharmaceuticals company.

http://www.balpharma.com/
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2009, 12:23:21 PM »
You asked me to give evidence of Lunarcry spouting rubbish. So I did.

Bal is a massive pharmaceuticals company.

http://www.balpharma.com/

Um. That's Bal Pharma. I want to know who Baal Corp are. You know...

One such fleet is owned by Baal Corporation, the aerospace contractor who provides Google with their mapping imagery.

Likewise, Baal Corp makes far more money from their contract with Google than any kind of costs they incur.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#Image_providers
Image providers

    * DigitalGlobe ? the provider of high resolution imagery to Google Earth
    * EarthSat
    * GeoEye-1 (ORBVIEW-3's succesor)
    * GlobeXplorer
    * IKONOS (ORBVIEW-2 is successor)
    * Pictometry
    * Spot Image
    * TerraLook
    * ViewGL - updated aerial imagery for Google Earth
    * CNES

Nope, don't see Baal Corp listed.  Must be using a subsidiary.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2009, 01:08:54 PM »
I have to admit this is intriguing me.  I'd like to see Dogplatter's explanation for this.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2009, 01:42:27 PM »
I have to admit this is intriguing me.  I'd like to see Dogplatter's explanation for this.
Probably something like, IT'S ALL A SETUP BY THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!! OR,, YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY ALIENS WORKING WITH NASA D:
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2009, 02:36:33 PM »
Yeah, apologies, I'm in the finishing stages of some new research I'll be releasing soon about Google Maps and the Baalist Church. Watch this space.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2009, 03:47:57 PM »
With research you mean thinking up stories right?
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2009, 03:52:31 PM »
With research you mean thinking up stories right?

Nooo, he really does do research.

As usual it will prove his pet theories wrong so it will get dumped and he will have to think....something....up.

Oh yeah, OK you're right.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2009, 04:06:11 PM »
Light without heat:
Quote from: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/HomeExpts/Chemilum.html
Reactions that produce light without heat are called chemiluminescent reactions. Perhaps the most familiar chemiluminescent reactions are those that occur in living organisms. Fireflies produce light without heat by a chemiluminescent reaction. Chemiluminescent reactions that occur in living organisms are called bioluminescent reactions.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2009, 04:59:27 PM »
Light without heat:
Quote from: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/HomeExpts/Chemilum.html
Reactions that produce light without heat are called chemiluminescent reactions. Perhaps the most familiar chemiluminescent reactions are those that occur in living organisms. Fireflies produce light without heat by a chemiluminescent reaction. Chemiluminescent reactions that occur in living organisms are called bioluminescent reactions.

I'm amazed that Tom didn't know about this, considering his enormous intellect.

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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2009, 05:06:44 PM »
Light without heat:
Quote from: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/HomeExpts/Chemilum.html
Reactions that produce light without heat are called chemiluminescent reactions. Perhaps the most familiar chemiluminescent reactions are those that occur in living organisms. Fireflies produce light without heat by a chemiluminescent reaction. Chemiluminescent reactions that occur in living organisms are called bioluminescent reactions.

I'm amazed that Tom didn't know about this, considering his enormous intellect.

Actually, I was looking for a clever Steve Vai reference (Light Without Heat is sort of a Vai theme), but I couldn't find a decent one so I posted that instead.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #72 on: June 04, 2009, 02:44:17 AM »
Light without heat:
Quote from: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/HomeExpts/Chemilum.html
Reactions that produce light without heat are called chemiluminescent reactions. Perhaps the most familiar chemiluminescent reactions are those that occur in living organisms. Fireflies produce light without heat by a chemiluminescent reaction. Chemiluminescent reactions that occur in living organisms are called bioluminescent reactions.

I'm amazed that Tom didn't know about this, considering his enormous intellect.

Actually, I was looking for a clever Steve Vai reference (Light Without Heat is sort of a Vai theme), but I couldn't find a decent one so I posted that instead.
Sorry to inform you, but... If there is light, there is heat. It's because there are 2 ways to create light. First, electrons. Well, those give heat ofcourse. Second. Chemical reactions. Ever heard of Collision Of Atoms? That's what happens if you want to do some chemistry. If atoms collide they will keep going faster and produce heat.

Conclusion: Your theory is WRONG
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #73 on: June 04, 2009, 03:04:28 AM »
Until that "research" is produced please don't refer to it as established fact. Thanks awfully.

I did not explicitly refer to the conclusions of that research as established fact. Get bent.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #74 on: June 04, 2009, 03:24:51 AM »
Oh ok, but those two things ARE established facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_Corp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigitalGlobe

And you can read their Annual General Report if you don't believe they make profit.

But those two facts aren't the contraversial results of my research. I reiterate, I have not yet represented the results of my current research as established fact.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #75 on: June 04, 2009, 03:49:28 AM »
Ball and Baal are different renderings of phonetically identical utterances. I'm going to be covering more of these topics at length in my soon-to-be released paper, so I'm going to stop discussing them now, and you will have to wait, I'm afraid, until I release my finished work.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #76 on: June 04, 2009, 10:51:46 AM »
 
Ball and Baal are different renderings of phonetically identical utterances.

Yet crucially spelt different.

Well observed.
Light without heat:
Quote from: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/HomeExpts/Chemilum.html
Reactions that produce light without heat are called chemiluminescent reactions. Perhaps the most familiar chemiluminescent reactions are those that occur in living organisms. Fireflies produce light without heat by a chemiluminescent reaction. Chemiluminescent reactions that occur in living organisms are called bioluminescent reactions.

I'm amazed that Tom didn't know about this, considering his enormous intellect.

Actually, I was looking for a clever Steve Vai reference (Light Without Heat is sort of a Vai theme), but I couldn't find a decent one so I posted that instead.
Sorry to inform you, but... If there is light, there is heat. It's because there are 2 ways to create light. First, electrons. Well, those give heat ofcourse. Second. Chemical reactions. Ever heard of Collision Of Atoms? That's what happens if you want to do some chemistry. If atoms collide they will keep going faster and produce heat.

Conclusion: Your theory is WRONG

HAHA. Sorry but where did you learn about flourescance?! This occurs when a decomposition (or reaction) emits its energy via light not heat. The energy of the reaction is "stored" in one of the products as it is created in a high energy state.  The light energy is then released when the electrons drop to the more stable energy state.  This is the same type of idea of transition metal complex colours, except this is when the complex absorbs certain light energies depending upon its do or dt (depends upon the type of complex) and whether it is possible for the metal to attain a high spin configuration from its low spin configuration due to electron spin pairing rules (complex type rules and ligand type also come into this quite significantly but is quite complex (yeah you got the pun...)). Thus giving us the reason why they are coloured and how strongly they are coloured.

Light is therefore possible without the expulsion of heat (especially in bioluminescence  as these reactions are carried out by enzymes and occur MUCH more easily than the harsh conditions occuring in a conical flask).
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2009, 02:27:54 AM »
Ball and Baal are different renderings of phonetically identical utterances.

Yet crucially spelt different.

Well observed.
Light without heat:
Quote from: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/HomeExpts/Chemilum.html
Reactions that produce light without heat are called chemiluminescent reactions. Perhaps the most familiar chemiluminescent reactions are those that occur in living organisms. Fireflies produce light without heat by a chemiluminescent reaction. Chemiluminescent reactions that occur in living organisms are called bioluminescent reactions.

I'm amazed that Tom didn't know about this, considering his enormous intellect.

Actually, I was looking for a clever Steve Vai reference (Light Without Heat is sort of a Vai theme), but I couldn't find a decent one so I posted that instead.
Sorry to inform you, but... If there is light, there is heat. It's because there are 2 ways to create light. First, electrons. Well, those give heat ofcourse. Second. Chemical reactions. Ever heard of Collision Of Atoms? That's what happens if you want to do some chemistry. If atoms collide they will keep going faster and produce heat.

Conclusion: Your theory is WRONG

HAHA. Sorry but where did you learn about flourescance?! This occurs when a decomposition (or reaction) emits its energy via light not heat. The energy of the reaction is "stored" in one of the products as it is created in a high energy state.  The light energy is then released when the electrons drop to the more stable energy state.  This is the same type of idea of transition metal complex colours, except this is when the complex absorbs certain light energies depending upon its do or dt (depends upon the type of complex) and whether it is possible for the metal to attain a high spin configuration from its low spin configuration due to electron spin pairing rules (complex type rules and ligand type also come into this quite significantly but is quite complex (yeah you got the pun...)). Thus giving us the reason why they are coloured and how strongly they are coloured.

Light is therefore possible without the expulsion of heat (especially in bioluminescence  as these reactions are carried out by enzymes and occur MUCH more easily than the harsh conditions occuring in a conical flask).
Maybe you should go to school instead of copying some nonsence from the internets..
Those who believe the earth is flat, your brain is flat too.


Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2009, 03:28:12 AM »
Sorry to inform you, but... If there is light, there is heat. It's because there are 2 ways to create light. First, electrons. Well, those give heat ofcourse. Second. Chemical reactions. Ever heard of Collision Of Atoms? That's what happens if you want to do some chemistry. If atoms collide they will keep going faster and produce heat.

Conclusion: Your theory is WRONG

HAHA. Sorry but where did you learn about flourescance?! This occurs when a decomposition (or reaction) emits its energy via light not heat. The energy of the reaction is "stored" in one of the products as it is created in a high energy state.  The light energy is then released when the electrons drop to the more stable energy state.  This is the same type of idea of transition metal complex colours, except this is when the complex absorbs certain light energies depending upon its do or dt (depends upon the type of complex) and whether it is possible for the metal to attain a high spin configuration from its low spin configuration due to electron spin pairing rules (complex type rules and ligand type also come into this quite significantly but is quite complex (yeah you got the pun...)). Thus giving us the reason why they are coloured and how strongly they are coloured.

Light is therefore possible without the expulsion of heat (especially in bioluminescence  as these reactions are carried out by enzymes and occur MUCH more easily than the harsh conditions occuring in a conical flask).
Maybe you should go to school instead of copying some nonsence from the internets..
Why is it that Flat-Earthers are always accused of ignoring evidence, but when Round-Earthers are provided with evidence (which can actually be found in many school textbooks), they can ignore it with statements like that one.

Yes, there is light without heat. There are reasonably simple experimental setups for checking that fact at home (or at school, as a matter of fact, so you can ask your chemistry teacher about them). Or you can just buy a glow stick (or "snap light").

You said above that there are two methods of creating light, and then you sort of posted the equivalent of clueless mumbling ("collision of atoms something something...") as opposed to actually saying what these methods are - probably because you have no idea how light is actually created. There are quite a few more than two methods for creating light.

But on the other hand, I think you are the same guy who thought that mobile phones work via satellites. I guess you think that all those mobile phone antenna towers are purely for decoration.

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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2009, 05:33:42 AM »

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Maybe you should go to school instead of copying some nonsence from the internets..
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Haha! Pure, pure ignorance.

If you can find anywhere on the internet where I copied that from then be my guest, hook me up on it. But that came from my own knowledge on transition metals . You are in absolutely no place to accuse me of such things when you have absolutely none at all in the matter.

Maybe you should go to university and study a real subject...
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2009, 06:00:58 AM »

Maybe you should go to school instead of copying some nonsence from the internets..
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Haha! Pure, pure ignorance.

If you can find anywhere on the internet where I copied that from then be my guest, hook me up on it. But that came from my own knowledge on transition metals . You are in absolutely no place to accuse me of such things when you have absolutely none at all in the matter.

Maybe you should go to university and study a real subject...
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Metals? Lolz. Whatever man.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2009, 06:34:37 AM »

Maybe you should go to school instead of copying some nonsence from the internets..

Haha! Pure, pure ignorance.

If you can find anywhere on the internet where I copied that from then be my guest, hook me up on it. But that came from my own knowledge on transition metals . You are in absolutely no place to accuse me of such things when you have absolutely none at all in the matter.

Maybe you should go to university and study a real subject...
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Metals? Lolz. Whatever man.
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You never heard of transition metals? oh dear...
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #82 on: June 05, 2009, 07:44:39 AM »
I have man. And if your gonna speak 'bout that, nevermind this discussion.
It's not what this topic was about anyway.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #83 on: June 05, 2009, 10:24:59 AM »

Maybe you should go to school instead of copying some nonsence from the internets..

Haha! Pure, pure ignorance.

If you can find anywhere on the internet where I copied that from then be my guest, hook me up on it. But that came from my own knowledge on transition metals . You are in absolutely no place to accuse me of such things when you have absolutely none at all in the matter.

Maybe you should go to university and study a real subject...
Metals? Lolz. Whatever man.
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You never heard of transition metals? oh dear...
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Maybe both of you guys should learn how to edit nested quotes properly.  ::)
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #84 on: June 05, 2009, 11:38:54 PM »
There are 3 mechanisms of heat transfer. Radiation, conduction and convection. Convection requires a fluid.
Anyway, you are saying energy is emitted by light not heat. That's called radiation sir. If a material absorbs that light and results in a vibrational or rotational change(of the atom/molecule) then there is a corresponding temperature change which will be quantified by the specific heat of the material.

As for the collision of atoms, I assume you are probably talking about ions and yes, collision is required for reaction. I'm not sure if you are talking about friction induced temperature change or temperature change resulting in higher collisions. All fluids are viscous(ignoring superfluids) and induced convection will results in some kind of temperature increase due to viscous effects.

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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2009, 12:10:18 PM »
There are 3 mechanisms of heat transfer. Radiation, conduction and convection. Convection requires a fluid.
Anyway, you are saying energy is emitted by light not heat. That's called radiation sir. If a material absorbs that light and results in a vibrational or rotational change(of the atom/molecule) then there is a corresponding temperature change which will be quantified by the specific heat of the material.

As for the collision of atoms, I assume you are probably talking about ions and yes, collision is required for reaction. I'm not sure if you are talking about friction induced temperature change or temperature change resulting in higher collisions. All fluids are viscous(ignoring superfluids) and induced convection will results in some kind of temperature increase due to viscous effects.


Light is emitted by radiation, yes well done.  Unfortunately you fail to realise that it is released via the dropping of electrons to a lower energy state, releasing a quantum of energy corresponding to that energy gap.  Thus there is not a change in temperature, even if the energy of the system has decreased.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #86 on: June 06, 2009, 11:00:41 PM »
No, I'm saying that heat is a form of energy. My comment was about material absorbing that light and effecting a vibrational/rotational change which would result in temperature change of the absorbent body.

The comment I was replying to was one of light emission without heat. I interpreted that as "light which will not effect a heat change". I've no problem with the emission body not undergoing a temp change but my point was those emitted photons can still cause a heat change in a second body.

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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2009, 06:27:28 AM »
No, I'm saying that heat is a form of energy. My comment was about material absorbing that light and effecting a vibrational/rotational change which would result in temperature change of the absorbent body.

The comment I was replying to was one of light emission without heat. I interpreted that as "light which will not effect a heat change". I've no problem with the emission body not undergoing a temp change but my point was those emitted photons can still cause a heat change in a second body.

Only if they are of the correct wavelength for that molecule (see i.r spectroscopy). If the photon was of different energy then it would not interact with the body.
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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2009, 06:38:31 AM »
yah.. my bad.
was restricting my thinking

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Re: The notsoflat earth
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2009, 06:27:02 AM »
Lol, no worries. Helped me to go over it a little bit actually, I have to write up a lab experiment next week on energy levels, IR and transition metals.  You helped me dust off the notes!
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