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Pangea
« on: May 25, 2009, 08:15:52 PM »
Some Round Earthers think that millions of years ago there was one land mass called Pangea.

To them the large continent broke apart as large tech-tonic plates under the earth separated and spun around to create the continents we have now.

The tech-tonic plate theory works on a round planet with an unstable, non-solid layer of core generated with pressure and heat.

With our Flat Earth structure of known earth and Ice Wall do we believe in the same reasoning for continental drift? That our continents float about on molten layers of earth beneath us?

From a Flat-Earth perspective it doesn't seem logical that the Ice Wall wouldn't be effected by these same tech-tonic plates.

Unless as seen in this video below our Flat-Earth is expanding in the way this guy tries to explain continental drift to Round-Earthers.


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Re: Pangea
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 03:32:51 AM »
You're absolutely right, continental drift on any kind of large scale (i.e. pangea to present day) is incompatible with the FE model. It's a good thing it doesn't happen on any kind of large scale, then. Pangea never existed.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 05:16:22 AM »
It's a good thing it doesn't happen on any kind of large scale, then. Pangea never existed.

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 06:24:01 AM »
It's up to you to prove the controversial statement that the continents of the world were once a giant homogenous one and then floated apart, not up to me to prove that it DIDN'T happen. Since no rational person has any immediately obvious reason to intuit your claim, I request that you provide evidence for it.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 08:23:34 AM »
It's up to you to prove the controversial statement that the continents of the world were once a giant homogenous one and then floated apart, not up to me to prove that it DIDN'T happen. Since no rational person has any immediately obvious reason to intuit your claim, I request that you provide evidence for it.

No if you say a very popular theory that most belive in, and that there have been done years of research in, is not true, it is YOU who should have some proof. Most believe the continents to have "moved" and still move every year.

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Re: Pangea
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 09:04:33 AM »
Ok, great! Before we continue, can you please confirm that your evidence in favour of continental drift is chiefly the distribution of prehistoric remains such as fossils of animals and plants?
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 09:10:13 AM »
in b4 "dinosaurs was very smart and used lots of tools. They even made boats"



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Re: Pangea
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 09:36:10 AM »
They're observed moving on a tiny scale, they're not about to float halfway across the Earth, even in millions of years.

Since the distribution of modern wild flora and fauna is a direct result of the distribution of prehistoric flora and fauna, I will continue. The continents have always been roughly as they are now, though sea-levels have fluctuated throughout natural history. The simple fact of the matter regarding fossil and biological evidence is that dinosaurs travelled between the continents using boats, often taking their crops and livestock with them. In this way, species of the same genus colonised much of the world's landmass, just as humanity has done millions of years later.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 09:39:49 AM »
They're observed moving on a tiny scale, they're not about to float halfway across the Earth, even in millions of years.

Ummm even as little as they are moving now, the Earth have existed for 4? billion years. Do you realise how much the continent would have moved if it was just 1 mm every year? I think it is more they are moving pr year though.

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Re: Pangea
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 09:46:30 AM »
KillaBee, do not post low-content replies with large, irrelevant images in FEQ&C or FEQ&D, please. Consider this a warning.

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Ummm even as little as they are moving now, the Earth have existed for 4? billion years. Do you realise how much the continent would have moved if it was just 1 mm every year? I think it is more they are moving pr year though.

I'll need you to produce evidence that the continents are moving continuously in one direction at anything like that rate.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 03:37:37 PM »
KillaBee, do not post low-content replies with large, irrelevant images in FEQ&C or FEQ&D, please. Consider this a warning.

The evidence for continental drift is astounding and large. The evidence for Dinosaurs in boats is nonexistent (outside your head).

Po-faced troll is still a troll.
The evidence for a spherical Earth is even larger than the evidence for continental drift.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 04:02:17 PM »
The evidence for dinosaur colonialism and seafaring is ample. Your refusal to correctly interpret the evidence is the problem. Thousands upon thousands of plant and animal remains testify to the advanced civilisation which the dinosaurs constructed.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 04:08:17 PM »

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Re: Pangea
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 04:10:47 PM »
The evidence for dinosaur colonialism and seafaring is ample. Your refusal to correctly interpret the evidence is the problem. Thousands upon thousands of plant and animal remains testify to the advanced civilisation which the dinosaurs constructed.

STFU if you don't have anything nice to say. Didn't your mother tell you that?

Answer the replies, which brought up some rather good indirect questions

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Re: Pangea
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 04:14:34 PM »
STFU if you don't have anything nice to say. Didn't your mother tell you that?

Answer the replies, which brought up some rather good indirect questions

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Which replies, specifically, would you like me to answer? I feel I've offered a reasonable response to pretty much all the criticisms and queries which have been raised so far, but I would love to hear more, or have you reiterate anything I might have missed!
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 04:42:25 PM »
The evidence for dinosaur colonialism and seafaring is ample. Your refusal to correctly interpret the evidence is the problem. Thousands upon thousands of plant and animal remains testify to the advanced civilisation which the dinosaurs constructed.

No, its not.  You still have never been able to prove anything or disprove anything. 
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2009, 05:00:17 PM »
KillaBee, do not post low-content replies with large, irrelevant images in FEQ&C or FEQ&D, please. Consider this a warning.

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Ummm even as little as they are moving now, the Earth have existed for 4? billion years. Do you realise how much the continent would have moved if it was just 1 mm every year? I think it is more they are moving pr year though.

I'll need you to produce evidence that the continents are moving continuously in one direction at anything like that rate.

North Atlantic Ridge, Pacific Ring of Fire are two examples that i can think of that show evidence of tectonic activity. San Andreas Fault is another one that you can see on land with recorded measurements over the last century that proves there is plate drift in action.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 12:25:47 AM »
KillaBee, do not post low-content replies with large, irrelevant images in FEQ&C or FEQ&D, please. Consider this a warning.

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Ummm even as little as they are moving now, the Earth have existed for 4? billion years. Do you realise how much the continent would have moved if it was just 1 mm every year? I think it is more they are moving pr year though.

I'll need you to produce evidence that the continents are moving continuously in one direction at anything like that rate.

North Atlantic Ridge, Pacific Ring of Fire are two examples that i can think of that show evidence of tectonic activity. San Andreas Fault is another one that you can see on land with recorded measurements over the last century that proves there is plate drift in action.

Sorry, I asked for "evidence that the continents are moving continuously in one direction at anything like that rate". You provided evidence of tectonic activity, a phenomenon which I do not dispute in the slightest. Nice try.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 05:26:45 AM »
Interestingly, this is how Pangea would have had to have broken apart to match the current FE map

270 million years ago

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Re: Pangea
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 08:36:07 AM »
KillaBee, do not post low-content replies with large, irrelevant images in FEQ&C or FEQ&D, please. Consider this a warning.

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Ummm even as little as they are moving now, the Earth have existed for 4? billion years. Do you realise how much the continent would have moved if it was just 1 mm every year? I think it is more they are moving pr year though.

I'll need you to produce evidence that the continents are moving continuously in one direction at anything like that rate.

North Atlantic Ridge, Pacific Ring of Fire are two examples that i can think of that show evidence of tectonic activity. San Andreas Fault is another one that you can see on land with recorded measurements over the last century that proves there is plate drift in action.

Sorry, I asked for "evidence that the continents are moving continuously in one direction at anything like that rate". You provided evidence of tectonic activity, a phenomenon which I do not dispute in the slightest. Nice try.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/understanding.html

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The rate of spreading along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge averages about 2.5 centimeters per year (cm/yr), or 25 km in a million years.

That's the USGS just restating what you stated. I asked specifically for evidence that the continents are moving in this manner. You have not provided it.

Now lets see the evidence for "dinosaur colonialism and seafaring". Go on. I dare ya.

Go to your nearest natural history museum. Fossil distributions which indicate the existence of individuals of the same species on different continents testify to the fact that dinosaurs built boats and colonised the world.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2009, 08:50:38 AM »
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/understanding.html

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The rate of spreading along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge averages about 2.5 centimeters per year (cm/yr), or 25 km in a million years.

That's the USGS just restating what you stated. I asked specifically for evidence that the continents are moving in this manner. You have not provided it.

Yes I have. That was the evidence. That was the USGS telling you how much the continents move each year. It there in black and white from a credible source.

I'm not sure you quite understand the difference between evidence and mere affirmation. I don't care who TELLS me that the continents have been haphazardly floating this way and that since the dawn of time, I want them to SHOW me that this is the case.

Now lets see the evidence for "dinosaur colonialism and seafaring". Go on. I dare ya.

Go to your nearest natural history museum. Fossil distributions which indicate the existence of individuals of the same species on different continents testify to the fact that dinosaurs built boats and colonised the world.

Nope. That's evidence of dinosaurs being on different continents. Cats are also on different continents yet I don't see them down the shipbuilders docks.

I asked you for evidence of "dinosaur colonialism and seafaring". Please provide it.

People are responsible for transporting animals, including cats, to different continents. People did not coexist with dinosaurs. Hence, dinosaurs transported themselves to different continents. Q.E.D.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2009, 09:39:15 AM »
The given website does show methods of verification, not just results.

If continental drift is false, how do you explain the magnetic striping on oceanic plates?  This striping could not have occurred any other way except for the production of new seafloor.
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Re: Pangea
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2009, 10:39:46 AM »
Now lets see the evidence for "dinosaur colonialism and seafaring". Go on. I dare ya.

Go to your nearest natural history museum. Fossil distributions which indicate the existence of individuals of the same species on different continents testify to suggests the fact possibility that dinosaurs built boats and colonised the world.

Fixed that for you.  Until archaeologists dig up 60+ million year old boats, the nautical prowess of dinosaurs can only be a matter of speculation.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 08:50:50 PM »
Now lets see the evidence for "dinosaur colonialism and seafaring". Go on. I dare ya.

Go to your nearest natural history museum. Fossil distributions which indicate the existence of individuals of the same species on different continents testify to suggests the fact possibility that dinosaurs built boats and colonised the world.

Fixed that for you.  Until archaeologists dig up 60+ million year old boats, the nautical prowess of dinosaurs can only be a matter of speculation.

No my friend, body mass to brain size ratio contradicts your statement. It's practically impossible for dinosaurs to possess such intelligence.


What about the fossil evidence found in Antarctica? Antarctica was part of Pangaea you know. Also FE'ers believe that Antarctica is part of the ice wall, how did they get the fossils?

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Re: Pangea
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2009, 11:38:37 AM »
Necropost fail.
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2009, 11:48:15 AM »
Necropost fail.

no, its called I used the search function. Would you like me to make a new thread questioning your beliefs?

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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2009, 11:52:18 AM »
Necropost fail.

no, its called I used the search function. Would you like me to make a new thread questioning your beliefs?

It's a fail because you think that I support the boat building dinosaur theory.  I don't.
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2009, 11:56:42 AM »
Yea and necropost doesn't mean anything at all.

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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2009, 01:01:31 PM »
Yea and necropost doesn't mean anything at all.
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2009, 02:06:13 PM »
Ok, great! Before we continue, can you please confirm that your evidence in favour of continental drift is chiefly the distribution of prehistoric remains such as fossils of animals and plants?

There's an awful lot more than that.