Convince Me

hey,
im gonna be as open minded as possilbe, i realize most of this is based on the fact everything your told, is just stuff ur told, cant expect it to always be the truth , i like ppl that dont accept everything there told but please i ask if u could explain to me, personally wat made you begin believin the earth is flat.
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FE cant be proved wrong
.. but nor can RE .. try please do

hey,
im gonna be as open minded as possilbe, i realize most of this is based on the fact everything your told, is just stuff ur told, cant expect it to always be the truth , i like ppl that dont accept everything there told but please i ask if u could explain to me, personally wat made you begin believin the earth is flat.

They step outside and look around. THE EARTH AROUND THEM looks flat, so the entire Earth must be flat.

And they were told that people used to think Earth was flat, so they assume that these hypothetical ignorant masses were right and all of the scholars throughout history were either wrong or part of a conspiracy that still goes on today.

They step outside and look around. Everything within 1 mile around them looks flat, so the entire Earth must be flat.

When I go outside, I don't see my car as being flat, or the trees in my yard, or the house next door...

When I go outside, I don't see my car as being flat, or the trees in my yard, or the house next door...

Better, smart aleck?

hey,
im gonna be as open minded as possilbe, i realize most of this is based on the fact everything your told, is just stuff ur told, cant expect it to always be the truth , i like ppl that dont accept everything there told but please i ask if u could explain to me, personally wat made you begin believin the earth is flat.
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FE cant be proved wrong
.. but nor can RE .. try please do

I don't believe the Earth is flat, I accept the evidence (And there is TONS of it) that the Earth is a sphere.

Anyway. It's like this:

FEers are deeply religious. They want to believe in a universe that mirrors the creation myth in Genesis. It's that simple.

There is another aspect: The 'skill of the debate'

Many people here are just trying to hone their debate skills, they'll argue the FE'ers viewpoint from the second person and use language skills to divert argument from anything that might demonstrate the FE stance to be false.

Let's look at a single aspect of the Flat Earth model and examine... in terms a lawman can see... if it's reasonable. The FE model holds that the Earth's mass isn't creating the gravity that holds us down... instead the entire universe (including the earth, but not you and me or the water and air around us) is accelerating upwards at 9.81 meters / second squared.... which would look exactly like gravity to us.

Water and air have mass, and are subject to the forces of gravity (Or the acceleration, the force on us is the same). What keeps us all on the earth is a huge "Ice Wall" (read the FAQ) that is 150 feet high. But it's only 150 feet high. How is the atmosphere ABOVE that kept in? CERTAINLY there is air higher than 150 feet... there are clouds and planes there.

There is nothing in the FAQ about this, but I've been told that there might be a huge dome over the Earth. A DOME? Who built that?

Anyway. It's like this:

FEers are deeply religious. They want to believe in a universe that mirrors the creation myth in Genesis. It's that simple.

I'm stunned.  You're really astute.  You've been on this forum, what, three days?  And already you have peered within the depths of our collective psyches and found the germ of our neurosis.  Well done.

Quote from: "RenaissanceMan"

Anyway. It's like this:

FEers are deeply religious. They want to believe in a universe that mirrors the creation myth in Genesis. It's that simple.

I'm stunned.  You're really astute.  You've been on this forum, what, three days?  And already you have peered within the depths of our collective psyches and found the germ of our neurosis.  Well done.

I think I'd prefer to be crazy.

Id reallly prefer gettting answers from those that actually believe it, not why you think they believe it. STOP arguing please, all i wanna know is why. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ITS FLAT YOU CANT CONVINCE ME

They can't, since they have no proof. Check the index and search around in the threads. What you will find is assumptions and unreasonable conclusions based on pure imagination. The only "real" proof they've got is one flawed formula, which you can read about in the "Proofs thread".

i kill bitches!!!! also your all douchebags. i mean come on how cna you believe this shit. seriously it makes as much sense as well you guys being considered actual people! also none of this exists! its all a conspiracy!

AMBER TISDALE 4 LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 :oops:

Are you capable of writing one single word correctly?  :?

I don't seriously believe the world is flat. I have been known to argue both sides. For me this site is a means to sharpen the debate skills. It is also an excercise in creative thinking as well as forcing myself and others to prove what we believe to be true without using data that is taken for granted.

Anyway. It's like this:

FEers are deeply religious. They want to believe in a universe that mirrors the creation myth in Genesis. It's that simple.

100% wrong right off the bat. Ouch.

Many people here are just trying to hone their debate skills, they'll argue the FE'ers viewpoint from the second person and use language skills to divert argument from anything that might demonstrate the FE stance to be false.

You don't mean second person.

There is nothing in the FAQ about this, but I've been told that there might be a huge dome over the Earth. A DOME? Who built that?

That's like saying "who built the Earth?" The dome is naturally occuring.

Anyway. It's like this:

FEers are deeply religious. They want to believe in a universe that mirrors the creation myth in Genesis. It's that simple.

There is another aspect: The 'skill of the debate'

Many people here are just trying to hone their debate skills, they'll argue the FE'ers viewpoint from the second person and use language skills to divert argument from anything that might demonstrate the FE stance to be false.

Excuse my French, but this is incorrect.

I'm a Flat-Earther who does not believe in God or any other religious/spiritual phenomenom, and I'm not here to practice arguing points I don't believe in. I genuinely believe the Earth is flat, which is the only reason I argue here.

I'm sure there are many other FE'ers like me here.

Are you all sick in the head? Try dropping a havier (~1kg) object from a tall building (at least 10 floors). Did you drop it? Good. Now if you measure the exact point it fell, you will see that it doesn't match exactly with the point from where you dropped the object. That's because during the time when the object was in free fall, the Earth was spinning.
So Earth is round.

Are you all sick in the head? Try dropping a havier (~1kg) object from a tall building (at least 10 floors). Did you drop it? Good. Now if you measure the exact point it fell, you will see that it doesn't match exactly with the point from where you dropped the object. That's because during the time when the object was in free fall, the Earth was spinning.
So Earth is round.

So, where is the evidence to back up your prediction?

Uh.... if you try it, you'd have the evidence. See it for yourself.

You guys that say the earth is round, and you that say its flat, neither of you have "evidence" but wat is evidence its just stuff that youve come upon from stuff you were told when you were little or somethin you read in some book. nobody can really prove anything so please dont call ppl wrong.... if you do your just saying your narrow minded......
Im guesssing that is what ppl that believe in a FE base there prediction on.... that was the point of this thread, its not to bash the FE'ers some more or the RE'rs for that matter bc they believe somethin different... i simply wanna know what makes em believe what they believe

I don't seriously believe the world is flat. I have been known to argue both sides. For me this site is a means to sharpen the debate skills. It is also an excercise in creative thinking as well as forcing myself and others to prove what we believe to be true without using data that is taken for granted.

Sweet I agree with just about everything said, Very well put

You guys that say the earth is round, and you that say its flat, neither of you have "evidence" but wat is evidence its just stuff that youve come upon from stuff you were told when you were little or somethin you read in some book. nobody can really prove anything so please dont call ppl wrong.... if you do your just saying your narrow minded......
Im guesssing that is what ppl that believe in a FE base there prediction on.... that was the point of this thread, its not to bash the FE'ers some more or the RE'rs for that matter bc they believe somethin different... i simply wanna know what makes em believe what they believe

This is absurd.  You can very well prove things.  Logic and reasoning is collective, sir, otherwise logic and reasoning would only be relative to each person...and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure there's a place called California where a big muscle man is governor even though I've never been there.

I've said this once, and I'll say it again.  That whole ideal is refuted in basic philosophy (or philosophy 101).  That train of thought leads nowhere, so I suggest you get off at the next station and return to the content of your post.

Ppls reasoning is different therefore different conclusions but none can techincally be wrong... I understand you disagree but leave it at that... please

This forum loves too argue,but im done, im asking for your reasoning behind your desicion thats all, whatever it may be.  My decision may very well be wrong but give me another option, dont just tell me im wrong

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This is hilarious.

This is absurd. You can very well prove things. Logic and reasoning is collective, sir, otherwise logic and reasoning would only be relative to each person...and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure there's a place called California where a big muscle man is governor even though I've never been there.

Using the same exact logic this site produces about the earth no being round, for all you know that "big muscle governor" couldn't even live in California.  By saying that you don't have to actually see something, in person, with your own eyes, to know it's a fact, means that the whole world could be in on a collective conspiracy to say that this "big muscle governor" is the actual Governor of California, when he really isn't.  And since you've never actually been there to find out, you don't know it's a fact.

What's absurd is the fact that you had the gall to say his thoery was absurd, you've just contridicted yourself.

You've just thrown any chance of having proof that the earth isn't round out the window, good job, sir.

This all started back when the Gogoaphrodites (the chemical warfare agents of 15th Century.. created poisons etc) claimed that my discoveries were false as they said the chemicals were received from Roppholdite the Dragon, the Guardian of the Ice Wall. If my discoveries were to be believed, then there entire organisation would be gone and they couldn't scam money anymore.

So, in turn, they fought tooth and nail to destroy my discovery. However, seeing as 99.9% of the people weren't retards, I was believed and my theories proven.

The creators of this site are the descendants of the Gogoaphrodites. The Roppholdite Dragon is now referred to as 'the government'. These people were the 0.1% of people who were retards and didn't believe me, EVEN THOUGH I OFFERED THEM SPICES! Obviously retarded, I mean as if you wouldn't accept my theory if you get a few spices.

So, where is the evidence to back up your prediction?

He explained it in his post. Drop an object from a tall building.

So, where is the evidence to back up your prediction?

I do not need to have evidence. I said it in the post - "try...". Now did you get it? Let's hope so.

This is hilarious.

Quote from: "Mephistopheles"

This is absurd. You can very well prove things. Logic and reasoning is collective, sir, otherwise logic and reasoning would only be relative to each person...and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure there's a place called California where a big muscle man is governor even though I've never been there.

Using the same exact logic this site produces about the earth no being round, for all you know that "big muscle governor" couldn't even live in California.  By saying that you don't have to actually see something, in person, with your own eyes, to know it's a fact, means that the whole world could be in on a collective conspiracy to say that this "big muscle governor" is the actual Governor of California, when he really isn't.  And since you've never actually been there to find out, you don't know it's a fact.

What's absurd is the fact that you had the gall to say his thoery was absurd, you've just contridicted yourself.

You've just thrown any chance of having proof that the earth isn't round out the window, good job, sir.

I never said it wasn't round.

But your premise is simply wrong.  Existance CANNOT[/i][/u] depend on one person.  It simply can't work; it disproves itself.

If someone lives in California, for example, that person cannot say California exists even though that person lives in California because of the very fact that someone else has *NOT* been to California, and because of that very thinking, has no evidence that California exists.  Therefore, California would both exist and not exist.

Thinking like this is a waste of time.  Its saying that we cannot know anything, which, by that very factor, is false.

Thinking like this is a waste of time.  Its saying that we cannot know anything, which, by that very factor, is false.

Waste of time maybe.... but it is always possible the ideas we base our thoughts on now can be proved wrong later on....

it is always possible the ideas we base our thoughts on now can be proved wrong later on....

So what?

So what?

....Our ideas today can be wrong, therefore earth can be flat round or any other shape thought of

I never said it wasn't round.

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If someone lives in California, for example, that person cannot say California exists even though that person lives in California because of the very fact that someone else has *NOT* been to California, and because of that very thinking, has no evidence that California exists. Therefore, California would both exist and not exist.

Yet that's exactly the kind of information this site produces.  Saying it's a fact that the whole worlds' governments are all in on one conspiracy to say the world is not flat, even though others have seen that it is, is completley and utterly worthless.

Thinking like this is a waste of time.

I agree.  So thank you for backing my point.
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