What would it take for me to prove to you the Earth is round?

Please give me a list of ways that I could prove to you FE'ers that the Earth is round. Not just the "evidence" response, but proper direct examples of evidence, because you seem to disregard all that we put before you

Please give me a list of ways that I could prove to you FE'ers that the Earth is round. Not just the "evidence" response, but proper direct examples of evidence, because you seem to disregard all that we put before you

Get all the necessary survival equipment for a trip to the ice wall and take me with you and you can pay for everything.

Well that's obviously not feasible because
a) you would continue to deny we were actually at the ice wall and we were just in iceland or something, because we would have to GPS because its the only practical means of navigation to get there but of course thats a lie to apparently
b) if we did get there we would be promptly shot by these apparent guards or frozen to death

Any more ways?

Well that's obviously not feasible because
a) you would continue to deny we were actually at the ice wall and we were just in iceland or something, because we would have to GPS because its the only practical means of navigation to get there but of course thats a lie to apparently
b) if we did get there we would be promptly shot by these apparent guards or frozen to death

Any more ways?

At least I would die knowing the truth.

Good news! The truth is already common knowledge. Its not necesary to go and die

Please give me a list of ways that I could prove to you FE'ers that the Earth is round. Not just the "evidence" response, but proper direct examples of evidence, because you seem to disregard all that we put before you

i dont think there is any
u could take this lot into space and actually show them the earth is round and they would probably just say NASA imprinted the memory from technology they stole off total recall..

its pointless to debate with some1 who makes up dark energy bendin light upwards, shadow objects that theres no way to detect and mirrors bouncin light around the whole antartic for half the year.. u might as well give up

if it makes them happy to believe this.. then why not, they aint hurtin anybody

Quote from: frostee on May 21, 2009, 05:20:58 AM

Well that's obviously not feasible because
a) you would continue to deny we were actually at the ice wall and we were just in iceland or something, because we would have to GPS because its the only practical means of navigation to get there but of course thats a lie to apparently
b) if we did get there we would be promptly shot by these apparent guards or frozen to death

Any more ways?

At least I would die knowing the truth.

Do you know how cheap it is to actually rent a small plane and a pilot for a couple hours? Yes, it would cost far less than a vacation. Why don't you do it yourself?

you would have to devise some way that would take a small amount of time, no money, it has to be something everyone can do, that prooves the world is flat.

Quote from: frostee on May 21, 2009, 03:28:15 AM

Please give me a list of ways that I could prove to you FE'ers that the Earth is round. Not just the "evidence" response, but proper direct examples of evidence, because you seem to disregard all that we put before you

i dont think there is any
u could take this lot into space and actually show them the earth is round and they would probably just say NASA imprinted the memory from technology they stole off total recall..

its pointless to debate with some1 who makes up dark energy bendin light upwards, shadow objects that theres no way to detect and mirrors bouncin light around the whole antartic for half the year.. u might as well give up

if it makes them happy to believe this.. then why not, they aint hurtin anybody

Sadly, this is the most logical thing I've seen on these forums...You can't argue with the illogical. It seems like a lost cause to get any real answers from these people.

Going to space and acheiving a stable orbit.

Polar circumnavigation.


Either of those should cover it.

But the thing is, they have been done. YOU have just refuted that claim.

Going to space and acheiving a stable orbit.

Polar circumnavigation.


Either of those should cover it.

We HAVE been to space and we HAVE archieved a stable orbit. My proof is: the countless manned moon missions (you can target a powerful laser at a specific point on the moon because they have a metal plate up there, and they have bought home a ton of moon rock, that lots of indepents have examinated), and the GPS-system and sattelite TV.
What is your proof that those things HAVEN'T been done?

("That it isn't possible because the world is flat and they are a conspiracy"? That isn't proof and no, that isn't even a proper answer either because they have just shown us that it is in fact possible to do this, and we benefit from it every single day.)

So, according to you, we have just proved the shape of the Earth - it is round. Or is there any other "things" we can do to prove the shape of the Earth?

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on May 22, 2009, 08:42:57 PM

Going to space and acheiving a stable orbit.

Polar circumnavigation.


Either of those should cover it.

We HAVE been to space and we HAVE archieved a stable orbit. My proof is: the countless manned moon missions (you can target a powerful laser at a specific point on the moon because they have a metal plate up there, and they have bought home a ton of moon rock, that lots of indepents have examinated), and the GPS-system and sattelite TV.
What is your proof that those things HAVEN'T been done?

("That it isn't possible because the world is flat and they are a conspiracy"? That isn't proof and no, that isn't even a proper answer either because they have just shown us that it is in fact possible to do this, and we benefit from it every single day.)

So, according to you, we have just proved the shape of the Earth - it is round. Or is there any other "things" we can do to prove the shape of the Earth?

Find me one instance of those things being accomplished by someone or agency not funded by the government.

Polar circumnavigation has been done many times by lots of organisations and people. Example after a brief google search.
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/tag-global-claims-record-for-polar-circumnavigation/

Spaceflight by non-government organisation. Take the first privately funded spaceflight for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceship_One
Then we have
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_SpaceShipTwo
funded by Richard Branson and his Virgin Airlines, and another non government organisation

Discovered an even more damning page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_tourism_companies

Take a look at that. They ARE all in on the conspiracy now are they? My god that number of people that NASA apparently need to bribe a million bucks (which isnt enough mind you) is looking extremely pathetic. Way to many people would know by now, an awful lot more than 40 that the FAQ link depicts

Both of the bottom ones do not achieve orbit.  Sorry.

As for the top one I am doing a little investigating.  I will get back with you soon.

You clearly did not read the one on Spaceship Two very well.
More than 65,000 would-be space tourists have applied for the first batch of 100 tickets. The price will initially be $200,000.[19] However, after the first 100 tickets are sold, the deposit would be dropped to around $100,000. Then deposits after the first year will drop to around $20,000. The deposit for the near future is expected to remain at $20,000 per person per flight. The duration of the flights will be approximately 2.5 hours, though only a few minutes of that will be in space. Weekly launches are planned.

Yes its only a few minutes, but its still space

You clearly did not read the one on Spaceship Two very well.
More than 65,000 would-be space tourists have applied for the first batch of 100 tickets. The price will initially be $200,000.[19] However, after the first 100 tickets are sold, the deposit would be dropped to around $100,000. Then deposits after the first year will drop to around $20,000. The deposit for the near future is expected to remain at $20,000 per person per flight. The duration of the flights will be approximately 2.5 hours, though only a few minutes of that will be in space. Weekly launches are planned.

Yes its only a few minutes, but its still space

Oops still not in orbit.  That flight is perfectly possible in FET.

As for the other one....I found the #1 sponsor of that flight.  Yup you guessed it.  The Government.    http://www.transpolar08.com/links.html

If you observe that list there are PLENTY more.
Even if it were only suborbital spaceflight, it is enough for the people on the flight to witness the icewall amongst other FE phenomenon. Are they all brainwashed that they just saw a round earth?
Even all the people who have just paid to go onboard the ISS. They were all private citizens using there own money.

There are HEAPS of times when people have done polar circumnavigation, not just that attempt. Its a record attempt that people try and beat, theres more than one instance
http://www.alphaglobalex.com/

If you observe that list there are PLENTY more.
Even if it were only suborbital spaceflight, it is enough for the people on the flight to witness the icewall amongst other FE phenomenon. Are they all brainwashed that they just saw a round earth?
Even all the people who have just paid to go onboard the ISS. They were all private citizens using there own money.

There are HEAPS of times when people have done polar circumnavigation, not just that attempt. Its a record attempt that people try and beat, theres more than one instance
http://www.alphaglobalex.com/

How many of those had no affiliation with the government?

Find me one instance of those things being accomplished by someone or agency not funded by the government.

Ummm we have debunked the "blimps = global GPS" or "strattelites = global GPS" or "towers = global GPS" COUNTLESS times on this forum. GPS can not work in the entire world, no matter where you are, without sattelites orbiting the planet.

So I ask you again: What is your proof/evidence that those things (sattelite-GPS / sattelite-TV) HAVEN'T been done?

Oh, and I already said "its the conspiracy" IS NOT a proper answer.

Im sure many of them are funded by billionaires with too much time on their hands

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on May 22, 2009, 08:42:57 PM

Going to space and acheiving a stable orbit.

Polar circumnavigation.


Either of those should cover it.

We HAVE been to space and we HAVE archieved a stable orbit. My proof is: the countless manned moon missions (you can target a powerful laser at a specific point on the moon because they have a metal plate up there, and they have bought home a ton of moon rock, that lots of indepents have examinated), and the GPS-system and sattelite TV.
What is your proof that those things HAVEN'T been done?

("That it isn't possible because the world is flat and they are a conspiracy"? That isn't proof and no, that isn't even a proper answer either because they have just shown us that it is in fact possible to do this, and we benefit from it every single day.)

So, according to you, we have just proved the shape of the Earth - it is round. Or is there any other "things" we can do to prove the shape of the Earth?

Your proof is grey rocks and a shiny thing on the Moon? Can you prove the rocks are from the Moon, can you prove it's a metal plate that causes these reflections and not some naturally occuring phenomenon?

Your proof is grey rocks and a shiny thing on the Moon? Can you prove the rocks are from the Moon, can you prove it's a metal plate that causes these reflections and not some naturally occuring phenomenon?

Yes it have been proven they are not from the Earth. They have collected tons of moon rock over the years, and lots of universities etc have studied them. They have been found to be older than the Earth itself.
I can not prove it isn't just a "natural" big metal that reflects the light directly back to the Earth, but there is such a big piece of metal/mirror? right where they landed, and it would be most logical that they placed it there themselves.

Have you ever heard about guilty until proven otherwise?

Now, I HAVE given you proof that they have in fact been on the moon and have in fact sattelites in orbit. What is your proof that they DON'T have sattelites in orbit and HAVEN'T been on the moon? "It's a conspiracy" is NOT a proof, it isn't even a proper answer.

How has it been proven they're not of Earth? And don't say they're older, that's nonsensical. The RE theory of the Moon's existence is that it is the debris of a colossal meteor strike, and this evidence would directly contradict that, and we would've heard. I choose to favour the intelligence of the scientific community and assume somebody would notice that and hence you are incorrect in the age "proof", and ask for a source.

How has it been proven they're not of Earth? And don't say they're older, that's nonsensical. The RE theory of the Moon's existence is that it is the debris of a colossal meteor strike, and this evidence would directly contradict that, and we would've heard. I choose to favour the intelligence of the scientific community and assume somebody would notice that and hence you are incorrect in the age "proof", and ask for a source.

"In general, the rocks collected from the Moon are extremely old compared to rocks found on Earth, as measured by radiometric dating techniques. They range in age from about 3.16 billion years old for the basaltic samples derived from the lunar maria, up to about 4.5 billion years old for rocks derived from the highlands.[1] Based on the age dating technique of "crater counting," the youngest basaltic eruptions are believed to have occurred about 1.2 billion years ago,[2] but we do not possess samples of these lavas. In contrast, the oldest ages of rocks from the Earth are about 3.8 billion years old, a vastly different value from that of the moon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock
(you would probably learn a little by reading)

I ask you again, please give some PROOF/EVIDENCE that we in fact have NOT been on the moon and we in fact DO NOT have sattelites in orbit.

Yeh, haventg you seen the mythbusters NASA speciakl. are mythbusters in on the conspiracy to? they tested the moon myths and pointed laser at the mirrror things. excusse my spellingv and grammar ive had a bit much to drink

Yeh, haventg you seen the mythbusters NASA speciakl. are mythbusters in on the conspiracy to? they tested the moon myths and pointed laser at the mirrror things. excusse my spellingv and grammar ive had a bit much to drink

Yes, because drinking makes you sound so much smarter. 

Quote from: frostee on May 23, 2009, 08:58:20 PM

If you observe that list there are PLENTY more.
Even if it were only suborbital spaceflight, it is enough for the people on the flight to witness the icewall amongst other FE phenomenon. Are they all brainwashed that they just saw a round earth?
Even all the people who have just paid to go onboard the ISS. They were all private citizens using there own money.

There are HEAPS of times when people have done polar circumnavigation, not just that attempt. Its a record attempt that people try and beat, theres more than one instance
http://www.alphaglobalex.com/

How many of those had no affiliation with the government?

Tom, does paying taxes make you affiliated with the government?

how about when you look at the ocean you can't see straight across it? if the earth were flat you could stand on the east coast with a telescope and look across to europe. or did the government secretly change the laws of physics while we were all spending our energy on real and important issues, like social justice?

Quote from: General Douchebag on May 24, 2009, 06:08:17 AM

How has it been proven they're not of Earth? And don't say they're older, that's nonsensical. The RE theory of the Moon's existence is that it is the debris of a colossal meteor strike, and this evidence would directly contradict that, and we would've heard. I choose to favour the intelligence of the scientific community and assume somebody would notice that and hence you are incorrect in the age "proof", and ask for a source.

"In general, the rocks collected from the Moon are extremely old compared to rocks found on Earth, as measured by radiometric dating techniques. They range in age from about 3.16 billion years old for the basaltic samples derived from the lunar maria, up to about 4.5 billion years old for rocks derived from the highlands.[1] Based on the age dating technique of "crater counting," the youngest basaltic eruptions are believed to have occurred about 1.2 billion years ago,[2] but we do not possess samples of these lavas. In contrast, the oldest ages of rocks from the Earth are about 3.8 billion years old, a vastly different value from that of the moon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock
(you would probably learn a little by reading)

I ask you again, please give some PROOF/EVIDENCE that we in fact have NOT been on the moon and we in fact DO NOT have sattelites in orbit.

Ah yes, Wikipedia. The self proclaimed encyclopaedia anyone can edit. For three weeks you would find that General Douchebag was the one who led the Russian counterattack that drove the Nazis from Stalingrad and led the advance up to the outskirts of Berlin, where he was killed charging a German machine-gun nest with a shoe.