Christianity and Evolution

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 24, 2009, 09:39:10 PM

Before we get to my question, you are saying that we are no more evolved than any other animal on the planet?  Really?  The fact that you are typing on a computer half way around the world and communicating with me, instead of throwing poop at your nearest neighbor, suggests otherwise.

Can you breath underwater?

Looks to me like the fish is biology superior in the environment it evolved in.

S C U B A.  Care to try again?

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:41:35 PM

Looks to me like the fish is biology superior in the environment it lives in.

S C U B A.  Care to try again?

Sure, I'll change my color text.

Wardogg, you live like two states away from me, that's hardly half way around the world.  Also, a high intelligence is not indicative of being more evolved.  A high intelligence was deemed advantageous sometime in the evolutionary process and the species "ran" with it.  So why don't many other species have a high intelligence?  Humans have to give a significant portion of our blood flow to the brain to sustain the intelligence.  Not all species have the luxury of being able to lend that much blood flow away from more life-critical functions.

The book that you asked me to recommend you months ago has all this information in it.

I can tell you right now that he's not coming back.

I can tell you right now that he's not coming back.

But we haven't even gotten to his question yet!!!

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:50:47 PM

I can tell you right now that he's not coming back.

But we haven't even gotten to his question yet!!!

Actually I have no idea. I'm just an impatient waiter when I'm not investing myself in a ton of threads at once.

I can tell you right now that he's not coming back.

Shut up Oscar.

Wardogg, you live like two states away from me, that's hardly half way around the world.  

Two states is still at least 2500 miles from where I live.  Halfway around was a bit of an exaggeration but the point still stands.

Also, a high intelligence is not indicative of being more evolved.  A high intelligence was deemed advantageous sometime in the evolutionary process and the species "ran" with it.  So why don't many other species have a high intelligence?  Humans have to give a significant portion of our blood flow to the brain to sustain the intelligence.  Not all species have the luxury of being able to lend that much blood flow away from more life-critical functions.

The book that you asked me to recommend you months ago has all this information in it.

For some reason I can't see how high intelligence would not be advantageous to all species.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 24, 2009, 09:42:38 PM

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:41:35 PM

Looks to me like the fish is biology superior in the environment it lives in.

S C U B A.  Care to try again?

Sure, I'll change my color text.

Call me when fish invent the Self Contained Abovewater Breathing Apparatus.

I agree that intelligence would benefit most species.  But animals don't decide how they evolve, the environment does.  Evolution works in tiny baby steps.  So if a fish starts evolving high intelligence, but loses maneuverability because it has to sustain a higher blood flow to the brain, then predators will have an easier time killing the smarter fish.  They will lose the smart-trait, and the dumb, yet more agile, fish will survive.  Having a higher intelligence in this case would in fact inhibit the species.

The flaw in your argument is that you assume evolution has an end-goal.  It does not.

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:43:25 PM

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 24, 2009, 09:42:38 PM

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:41:35 PM

Looks to me like the fish is biology superior in the environment it lives in.

S C U B A.  Care to try again?

Sure, I'll change my color text.

Call me when fish invent the Self Contained Abovewater Breathing Apparatus.

Lungs? We don't call them fish at that point.

The fact remains that biologically, we can't breathe water and fish can. What you are talking about is a completely artificial workaround and has little to nothing to do with your genetics.

I agree that intelligence would benefit most species.  But animals don't decide how they evolve, the environment does.  Evolution works in tiny baby steps.  So if a fish starts evolving high intelligence, but loses maneuverability because it has to sustain a higher blood flow to the brain, then predators will have an easier time killing the smarter fish.  They will lose the smart-trait, and the dumb, yet more agile, fish will survive.  Having a higher intelligence in this case would in fact inhibit the species.

The flaw in your argument is that you assume evolution has an end-goal.  It does not.

Or the really smart ones learn how to hide and avoid the predators better increasing their chance of survival.  The flaw in your argument is that you think we are animals, when we are not.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 24, 2009, 10:02:08 PM

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:43:25 PM

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 24, 2009, 09:42:38 PM

Quote from: Soze on July 24, 2009, 09:41:35 PM

Looks to me like the fish is biology superior in the environment it lives in.

S C U B A.  Care to try again?

Sure, I'll change my color text.

Call me when fish invent the Self Contained Abovewater Breathing Apparatus.

Lungs? We don't call them fish at that point.

The fact remains that biologically, we can't breathe water and fish can. What you are talking about is a completely artificial workaround and has little to nothing to do with your genetics.

The fact remains that we can invent things that prevent us from having to adapt(or evolve) to a harsher environment.  I guess we are done evolving, huh?

The fact remains that we can invent things that prevent us from having to adapt(or evolve) to a harsher environment.  I guess we are done evolving, huh?

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[fifty percent of people  are below average. natural selection is trying to reduce this]

Idiocracy.  You should watch that movie. 

Being a bad awful lazy catholic I am just now starting to read The New American Bible. I don't know what Penteteuch means, but from what I have read it breaks down as.

We got this stuff from old texts we tried to translate as well as we could...so believe it if you want, but please don't take things TOO seriously.

My own priest says the same thing, the bible is the beliefs of our church true enough but don't read THAT deeply into it, everyone interprets it differently and being a church of the people no one is to truly say who is right or wrong.

Try to understand your world, learn from it and of yourself.

The fact remains that we can invent things that prevent us from having to adapt(or evolve) to a harsher environment.  I guess we are done evolving, huh?

Humans would be dead a long time ago if they had to hold their breath before someone invented SCUBA gear.

The fact remains that we can invent things that prevent us from having to adapt(or evolve) to a harsher environment.  I guess we are done evolving, huh?

I just read an interesting article. despite how the world seems to becoming more connected races are actually becoming more different. the are evolving differently

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 24, 2009, 10:31:46 PM

The fact remains that we can invent things that prevent us from having to adapt(or evolve) to a harsher environment.  I guess we are done evolving, huh?

Humans would be dead a long time ago if they had to hold their breath before someone invented SCUBA gear.

Hilarious.