Earths circumference (at the equator)

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Earths circumference (at the equator)
« on: May 10, 2009, 11:54:57 PM »
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Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

Circumference: 78225 miles
Diameter:       24,900 miles

So what is the distance around the equator in FE theory?
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2009, 02:19:53 AM »
anyone?
But a sure-fire method would be to land on the top side of the sun.

Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 02:30:14 AM »
anyone?
FEers dare not answer... Any number creates a contradiction for them. Tom Bishop leads the dodging claiming, that in spite that FEesr know the circumference and diameter, they haven't the resources to measure the nearer and shorter Equator.

Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2009, 02:51:06 AM »
and they ignore the fact that it has been measured? pretty precicely...
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 02:58:19 AM »
and they ignore the fact that it has been measured? pretty precicely...
They invoke the Conspiracy and specifically that those doing the measuring were under the undue influence and bias of RET.

Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2009, 03:32:12 AM »
well then why do they base their circumference and diameter of their FE on the measurments made by RE'ers.

If their measurement for the diameter of the earth is the same as the RE measurment, why is their circumference at the equator different from the RE measurement? I dont get it.....
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2009, 04:38:15 AM »
would u like multiple choice? Or true false? I can make it nice and simple.
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 04:47:02 AM »
So what is the distance around the equator in FE theory?

62,945 km
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2009, 04:58:33 AM »
So what is the distance around the equator in FE theory?

62,945 km
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim? Do you admit that the Equator lies halfway between the Edge and the NP? (Watch this folks! RS has fallen into a FE paradox. He should start to dodge any post now.)

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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2009, 04:59:28 AM »
Do you have any evidence of your outlandish claim?

Yes, I divided the figure for the Earth's circumference given in the FAQ by two.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2009, 06:01:56 AM »
ok, you could have kept it miles to keep things simple. But basically you did the cirumference (78,225miles) divided by two, which is 39112.5miles (then you converted to Km) correct? Which is a faster way of taking the diameter (24900miles) and dividing it by 2 (geting 12450miles - which is the diameter of the circle made by the equator if on a flat earth) and then multiplying by Pi (to get 39112.5miles).

So heres the RE measurments:

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Earth's Circumference at the Equator: 24,901.55 miles (40,075.16 km)

Earth's Circumference Between the North and South Poles: 24,859.82 miles (40,008 km)

Notice that 39112.5miles does not = 24901 miles

So yeah, they stole the RE measurment for the earths circumference and thought well, if the earth was actually flat, then the circumference of what they think is a sphere, is actually the measurment for the diameter of our flat earth. (then they used it to make their ficticous flat earth circumference, which doesnt disagree with a RE measurment, because we dont have one in our spherical world lol)

Here they made 2 errors, first they stole the measurment for the circumference at the equator instead of the one that goes through the poles (lol - someone didnt try too hard with their steal here, the RE isnt a perfect sphere). Their second error, is that they stole a RE measurment. Because if they take this one measurent, it means they are approving of the RE measurment for the diameter of their flat earth, but they for no reason at all reject their other measurments (to keep it simple we will just talk about that of the equator).

I mean fair enough if you claim that all the RE measurments are wrong, and you need to prove this somehow and give us your measurments, because our ones seem to work pretty fine for, well everything like gps, flights, car trips across europe, whatever. the circumference of your earth is bigger then ours, this not only fucks up the measurments for the equator, but for the northeren and southern hemispheres.

In conclusion, without actually looking at the shape of the earth, you can simply mathmatically deduce the shape of the earth by measuring a couple of its dimesions. You cant claim these measurments are just a made up conspirisy because these measurements are used every day by hundreds of thousands of people.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2009, 10:05:18 PM »
response anyone?
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2009, 02:16:45 AM »
ok, you could have kept it miles to keep things simple.

The Imperial system of measure is not simple in any sense of the word, and I refuse to use it.

But basically you did the cirumference (78,225miles) divided by two, which is 39112.5miles (then you converted to Km) correct? Which is a faster way of taking the diameter (24900miles) and dividing it by 2 (geting 12450miles - which is the diameter of the circle made by the equator if on a flat earth) and then multiplying by Pi (to get 39112.5miles).

So heres the RE measurments:

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Earth's Circumference at the Equator: 24,901.55 miles (40,075.16 km)

Earth's Circumference Between the North and South Poles: 24,859.82 miles (40,008 km)

Notice that 39112.5miles does not = 24901 miles

So yeah, they stole the RE measurment for the earths circumference and thought well, if the earth was actually flat, then the circumference of what they think is a sphere, is actually the measurment for the diameter of our flat earth. (then they used it to make their ficticous flat earth circumference, which doesnt disagree with a RE measurment, because we dont have one in our spherical world lol)

Here they made 2 errors, first they stole the measurment for the circumference at the equator instead of the one that goes through the poles (lol - someone didnt try too hard with their steal here, the RE isnt a perfect sphere). Their second error, is that they stole a RE measurment. Because if they take this one measurent, it means they are approving of the RE measurment for the diameter of their flat earth, but they for no reason at all reject their other measurments (to keep it simple we will just talk about that of the equator).

I mean fair enough if you claim that all the RE measurments are wrong, and you need to prove this somehow and give us your measurments, because our ones seem to work pretty fine for, well everything like gps, flights, car trips across europe, whatever. the circumference of your earth is bigger then ours, this not only fucks up the measurments for the equator, but for the northeren and southern hemispheres.

In conclusion, without actually looking at the shape of the earth, you can simply mathmatically deduce the shape of the earth by measuring a couple of its dimesions. You cant claim these measurments are just a made up conspirisy because these measurements are used every day by hundreds of thousands of people.

Where is your source indicating that the measurements were stolen from RET?
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2009, 02:30:03 AM »
........ seriously thats your response. wow. Try a bit harder honestly. Possibly that the measurments for the earth were made by RE'ers, FE'ers havent made them, so when asked what the siZe of their earth is, they just used some of the measurments already in use, to avoid conflict. But you run into a SLIGHT problem, beacause only one measurment can be the same, because a circle is different to a sphere..... So they chose to use the diameter, and then they proceeded to use the wrong measurment anyway, because they are stupid.
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2009, 02:38:32 AM »
a circle is different to a sphere

What a remarkable observation.

and then they proceeded to use the wrong measurment anyway

Where is your evidence that it is the wrong measurement? Have you made that measurement yourself, and confirmed that the FE figure is incorrect?
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2009, 03:17:09 AM »
ok well first of all, its not a FE figure. Its a RE figure. Because its based on RE measurments. Why would i need to make this measurment myself? Personal accounts isnt the only way of information recording. Ok so you want me, with no money, time or resources, to go measure the eQuator. When the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY hasnt even made a measurment themselves? So to prove them wrong, i cant use the 99.9999% accepted figure used by millions of people reliably, i actually have to measure it myself. When you havent, yet claim that the eQuator is bigger then generally accepted. Its hypocrisy at its finest.

If i cant refute a figure without measuring it myself, then the FE society shouldnt be able to give a figure they havent measured themselves. They need to either admit they have no idea, or stop trying to make the dimensions of the FE kind of conform to the already made measurments on the RE.
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2009, 03:20:28 AM »
ok well first of all, its not a FE figure. Its a RE figure. Because its based on RE measurments. Why would i need to make this measurment myself? Personal accounts isnt the only way of information recording. Ok so you want me, with no money, time or resources, to go measure the eQuator. When the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY hasnt even made a measurment themselves? So to prove them wrong, i cant use the 99.9999% accepted figure used by millions of people reliably, i actually have to measure it myself. When you havent, yet claim that the eQuator is bigger then generally accepted. Its hypocrisy at its finest.

Latitude can be measured in FET just the same as in RET. The distance from the Equator to the North Pole would be the same in either theory; the personal beliefs of the observer are irrelevant. I don't know why the RE equatorial circumference was used as the FE diameter in the FAQ; you'd have to ask whoever wrote it.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2009, 03:31:23 AM »
Ok so you admit the FAQ measurment is wrong. Then you admit your posted measurment for the circumference at the diameter is wrong.

Also your wrong, there is no reason for them to be the same from north to south pole. Its just as logical for the eQuatorial circumference to be the same in FE and in RE and have the distance between the poles different. Rather then currently thought, that the poles distance is the same, and the eQuator is different.

You also run into huge problems if you pick the eQuatorial circumference as the same as the RE measurment, beacause you start to run out of space to fit all the northern hemisphere land mass into the circular northern hemisphere, when this isnt a problem in a round earth with this measurment. No matter which one you pick, your screwed. So dont pick either, stop pretending, and admit FE'ers have no idea how big their earth is.

Note- i meant simple as in, the rest of the post was already in miles. I hate miles, but thats what the figures were in so i just used it.
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2009, 04:43:38 AM »
Ok so you admit the FAQ measurment is wrong. Then you admit your posted measurment for the circumference at the diameter is wrong.

Also your wrong, there is no reason for them to be the same from north to south pole. Its just as logical for the eQuatorial circumference to be the same in FE and in RE and have the distance between the poles different. Rather then currently thought, that the poles distance is the same, and the eQuator is different.

Nope, the Equator is a fundamental (if imaginary) construct in RET. In FET it is an arbitrary circle, and as such would be very difficult to measure accurately. Meridians have geometric significance in both models, and so RE measurements from North to South are much more likely to also be valid in FET.

Note- i meant simple as in, the rest of the post was already in miles. I hate miles, but thats what the figures were in so i just used it.

The FAQ should really use SI measurement. I don't know why it doesn't. Until it does, I will continue to convert all units to SI before performing any analysis using them.
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2009, 04:58:16 AM »
Nope, the Equator is a fundamental (if imaginary) construct in RET. In FET it is an arbitrary circle, and as such would be very difficult to measure accurately.

It's strange how people are able to measure it so accurately then.

Curious I'd say.

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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2009, 04:59:33 AM »
It's strange how people are able to measure it so accurately then.

Curious I'd say.

Well, any one point on it can be easily measured as the Equator is the locus of points which lie halfway along some meridian. Measuring its length would be a more challenging task.
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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2009, 05:02:08 AM »
Nope, the Equator is a fundamental (if imaginary) construct in RET. In FET it is an arbitrary circle, and as such would be very difficult to measure accurately. Meridians have geometric significance in both models, and so RE measurements from North to South are much more likely to also be valid in FET.

Sorry what? I really dont follow. How is the equator an arbitrary circle in FE??? It still sepereates the northern and southern hemispheres, well northern and southern "parts" in FE i guess.

Also your point about their "significance" is completely insignificant (irony yes lol). Because its about which measument was made correctly in FE opinion. For some reason they decided that the RE measurment for the eqautorial circumference should be the measurment for the diameter of their earth. Or they did this by accident and they were meant to decide that the RE measurment for the circumference around the poles was measured correctly, and that our circumference was measured incorrectly. I want to know where the hell this decision came from. Why do they believe any of the measurments?? Why just one?
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2009, 05:04:29 AM »
Well, any one point on it can be easily measured as the Equator is the locus of points which lie halfway along some meridian. Measuring its length would be a more challenging task.

Well if you can measure one point between two lines of longitude then you can just extrapolate from that to get your full circumference can you not?

How is it any more challenging to make this measurment, then the one between the poles.
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2009, 05:17:34 AM »
ok well first of all, its not a FE figure. Its a RE figure. Because its based on RE measurments. Why would i need to make this measurment myself? Personal accounts isnt the only way of information recording. Ok so you want me, with no money, time or resources, to go measure the eQuator. When the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY hasnt even made a measurment themselves? So to prove them wrong, i cant use the 99.9999% accepted figure used by millions of people reliably, i actually have to measure it myself. When you havent, yet claim that the eQuator is bigger then generally accepted. Its hypocrisy at its finest.

Latitude can be measured in FET just the same as in RET. The distance from the Equator to the North Pole would be the same in either theory; the personal beliefs of the observer are irrelevant. I don't know why the RE equatorial circumference was used as the FE diameter in the FAQ; you'd have to ask whoever wrote it.
So tell me how far is from Oslo to Stockholm? What do you get when you calculate it by RE's Great Circle method? What do you get when you get using FE?

Here are my answers?
Actual: 417 kilometers or 225 nautical miles. Reference: http://www.convertunits.com/distance/from/Oslo,+Norway/to/Stockholm,+Sweden
RET Great Circle:
 Olso: 59  57 N  10  42 E, Reference: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001769.html
 Stockholm: 59  17 N  18  3 E, Ibid
 419km Reference: Google Earth 5.0, Ruler Tool
FET
 We need to follow RS's (inane) comment that he can calculate the distance around the Equator in FE by simple geometry. Let's apply it to this problem too!

First let's calculate the distance around the FE on the 59th N.
 First the radius. The 59th N is 31 of 180, so the radius of the 59th is (the diameter of the FE)/2 * 31/180 = (24900 miles)/2 * 31/180 = 2,144.16667 miles.
 Second the length around the 59th is that radius * pi =  6,736 miles
 Third the distance from 100 42' to 180 3' = (180 3') - (100 42'))/360 * that radius = 7.35/360 * 6,736 miles = 137.5 miles = 221 km.
 Fourth we can get a great upper bound by using the taxi cab metric and adding in the FE distance north to south and using this more southern latitude. The north-south distance would be (40'/3600)(diameter of the FE)/2 = 23 miles = 37 km. So the upper bound is 258 km.

So we have a conclusive, real-world demonstration that RE's prediction of 419km is better than FE's prediction of less than 258km against the actual of 417km.


 

Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2009, 05:29:43 AM »
can you say owned?

I also missed this bit somehow.
Latitude can be measured in FET just the same as in RET. The distance from the Equator to the North Pole would be the same in either theory; the personal beliefs of the observer are irrelevant.

well no, they wouldnt be the same distance. This is the FUCKING PROBLEM. Wow, maybe this is why you dont get it. The distance around a sphere from the equator to the north pole is not the same as the distance along a straight line, on a flat earth form the equator to the north pole.

or you can think of it as, the distance on RE from the equator to the north pole along the surface, is not the same as half the diameter of the earth (which is where the north pole would lie if the earth was flat, in the centre of the RE).
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2009, 05:35:27 AM »
well no, they wouldnt be the same distance.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2009, 05:41:13 AM »
i smell a woops i was wrong, or an epic dodge coming on.
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2009, 06:20:04 AM »
i smell a woops i was wrong, or an epic dodge coming on.
I predict the RS will be just as silent as he is about the math behind "bendy light" that he promised to deliver by mid-April. I predict TB will claim, if he shows up, that the math is just a ruse.

Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2009, 06:23:48 AM »
i duno who TB is. I just found out that this robosteve guy isnt all as intelligent as he makes himself out to be. Dont put others down unless you have something to back it up man.

Btw steve, you are also yet to tell me if u actually believe the world is flat. (not if you are a "true believer in FET")
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Re: Earths circumference (at the equator)
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2009, 06:42:21 AM »
It's strange how people are able to measure it so accurately then.

Curious I'd say.

Well, any one point on it can be easily measured as the Equator is the locus of points which lie halfway along some meridian. Measuring its length would be a more challenging task.

Yeah. Still strange how people can do it pretty easily. I wonder why that is.