Lets see what you've got

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2009, 05:33:50 PM »
When you figure out what you're talking about feel free to send me a PM. Until then, lurk more and post less.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2009, 05:35:14 PM »
When you figure out what you're talking about feel free to send me a PM. Until then, lurk more and post less.

That's not a very scientific mind is it Tom?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2009, 05:39:30 PM »
Have you figured out what you're talking about yet? Have you thought up a more coherent experiment? I don't see any PM's in my message box.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2009, 06:06:51 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2009, 05:40:54 PM »
Have you figured out what you're talking about yet? I don't see any PM's in my message box.

Yes I have figured out what I'm talking about. I don't need to send you a PM. You've demonstrated clearly that you can't think for yourself. There's nothing more to add TBH. :(

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2009, 05:42:54 PM »
When you're able to figure out a workable or coherent experiment let me know so we can discuss the matter further.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2009, 05:44:55 PM »
When you're able to figure out a workable or coherent experiment let me know so we can discuss the matter further.

Sorry, but the "matter" is how you tackle the (scientific) problems you're faced with.

Running away and crying seems to be the answer.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2009, 05:59:42 PM »
Sorry, but the "matter" is how you tackle the (scientific) problems you're faced with.

Running away and crying seems to be the answer.

It's your responsibility to figure out the details of your own damn experiment. I'm not your parent. I'm not your guardian. I don't offer tutoring or support. Once you come up with a real experiment we can talk.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2009, 06:01:17 PM »
It's your responsibility to figure out the details of your own damn experiment. I'm not your parent. I'm not your guardian. I don't offer tutoring or support. Once you come up with a real experiment we can talk.

Sure Tom. Like I say, you fell at the first hurdle. Kinda hurts your shins doesn't it?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2009, 06:04:34 PM »
It's your responsibility to figure out the details of your own damn experiment. I'm not your parent. I'm not your guardian. I don't offer tutoring or support. Once you come up with a real experiment we can talk.

Sure Tom. Like I say, you fell at the first hurdle. Kinda hurts your shins doesn't it?
how would that hurt your shins.
I saw a slight haze in the hotel bathroom this morning after I took a shower, have I discovered a new planet?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2009, 07:01:54 PM »
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Tom, you really should examine your own "evidence" before you ask someone else to.  They just might.

The Flat Earth and her Moulder is a series of weekly discussion articles featuring Flat Earth Theory. It features wild criticisms of the theory as well as rebuttals from Flat Earth proponents. It's included in the Flat Earth Literature list because it's part of the fabric of the Flat Earth Society's rich history.

Really Tom?  Sounds more like a former insider blowing the whistle on a scam to me.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2009, 08:16:49 PM »
Really Tom?  Sounds more like a former insider blowing the whistle on a scam to me.

Where does Mr. Woofson claim to be a former insider and how is Earth Not a Globe a scam?  ???
« Last Edit: April 27, 2009, 08:32:26 PM by Tom Bishop »

Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2009, 08:45:46 PM »
It's your responsibility to figure out the details of your own damn experiment. I'm not your parent. I'm not your guardian. I don't offer tutoring or support. Once you come up with a real experiment we can talk.

Sure Tom. Like I say, you fell at the first hurdle. Kinda hurts your shins doesn't it?
I am a huge RET proponent, but this time (for the first and probably the last time ever) I have to side with tom bishop. The way you presented your idea was really quite unfair. and each time tom didn't understand your unclearly stated experiment, you insulted him without much provocation.

That's because I'm asking you to think things out and be coherent. You can't do it.

You're the one who can't even think up a workable or coherent experiment. When you figure out what you're talking about feel free to send me a PM.

All I'm asking you to do Tom is think how you might get around the problem. You posed the problem (correctly) that the sun would have moved in the time it takes to reach the second (and consecutive) sticks. The problem is not insurmountable.

How would you overcome it?
You never told him what problem he was trying to overcome that is: finding directions regardless of time due to the sun's position in the sky. It's easy with a watch. and it doesn't work out in FET because there would be a differing speed of change in position (in degrees, not length) if the earth was flat and the sun were simply circling above. But how was tom supposed to know that? It's not something that I thought of right away either. Even now it could be something completely different and I could be wrong because your description was so vague.

Grind tom into the dust intellectually with superior logic and correct observation, don't make a fool of RET and all rationalists, by trying to mess with tom on a superficial level.
If I disproved FET completely to every single person, who would be left for me to argue with?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2009, 01:47:00 AM »
Is it me, or is the Tom-script using a lot more PG-13 curse words lately?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2009, 03:42:23 AM »
Is it me, or is the Tom-script using a lot more PG-13 curse words lately?

In this thread Im sure he is being controlled by a person, judging from his responses.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2009, 06:22:57 AM »
Really Tom?  Sounds more like a former insider blowing the whistle on a scam to me.

Where does Mr. Woofson claim to be a former insider and how is Earth Not a Globe a scam?  ???

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We have been requested by the former secretary of the Zetetic Society to insert a series of papers in which he promises to show the nature of the deceptions practised by some at least among the advocates of the flat earth theory ED

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I propose giving a detailed history in short weekly articles of the whole of what I shall allow myself to call the humbug catchpenny philosophy concocted by a man who styles himself Parallax otherwise Rowbotham alias Tryon, Gonlden, Dr Birley, etc.

He wasn't claiming ENaG to be a scam, but the Zetetic Society to be a scam and Rowbotham to be a fraud.  Perhaps not in those exact words, but that's the gist of the article.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2009, 06:32:16 AM »
He wasn't claiming ENaG to be a scam, but the Zetetic Society to be a scam and Rowbotham to be a fraud.  Perhaps not in those exact words, but that's the gist of the article.

As far as I'm aware, the Universal Zetetic Society was just a philosophy group, a Victorian era forum centered around free thinkers and innovative discussion. Where does the scam part play in?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2009, 06:36:18 AM »
He wasn't claiming ENaG to be a scam, but the Zetetic Society to be a scam and Rowbotham to be a fraud.  Perhaps not in those exact words, but that's the gist of the article.

As far as I'm aware, the Universal Zetetic Society was just a philosophy group, a Victorian era forum centered around free thinkers and innovative debate. Where does the scam part play in?

Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2009, 11:58:56 AM »
I'm not obligated to prove anything to anybody. I don't give a crap what you believe. Repeating "prove it" and "go take a picture to prove you're not lying" are not valid debate tactics. You guys need to provide your own evidence which proves your model right.
If you are not obligated to prove anything then others don't need also. But anyway, quoting book titles which are unavailable and stating that ENaG is truth isn't valid debate tactics also. So, you need to provide your evidence which proves your model right. You have failed to do so yet.

All the evidence I need is right there in my signature link, published and peer reviewed.
Your signature has list of unavailable books for general public(some exceptions excluded). And as much as we can find out they are science fiction, history and bibliography books. Also you haven't yet presented even the one, just one real peer review which any scientist has done about flat earth experiments. You only have presented some picnics where people observe some things over water.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2009, 02:28:51 PM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2009, 03:27:43 PM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

No Tom.  The Universal Zetetic Society was lying to their "paying customers" about the earth being flat.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2009, 07:34:29 PM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

No Tom.  The Universal Zetetic Society was lying to their "paying customers" about the earth being flat.

Distributing truth doesn't seem like much of a scam.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2009, 08:19:04 PM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

No Tom.  The Universal Zetetic Society was lying to their "paying customers" about the earth being flat.

Distributing truth doesn't seem like much of a scam.
Sorry to interveen between you and marjiko, but I do see how the Universal Zetetic Socieity. With the various fees required to gain more knowledge on the subject just doesn't see fair. It seems to be simular to ,no offense to any scientologist active on this forum, scientology and it's constant fees to gain more knowledge on subjects that appear extremely ridiculous.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2009, 08:32:30 PM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

No Tom.  The Universal Zetetic Society was lying to their "paying customers" about the earth being flat.

Distributing truth doesn't seem like much of a scam.

No, but distorting the truth is.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2009, 09:04:18 PM »
Sorry to interveen between you and marjiko, but I do see how the Universal Zetetic Socieity. With the various fees required to gain more knowledge on the subject just doesn't see fair. It seems to be simular to ,no offense to any scientologist active on this forum, scientology and it's constant fees to gain more knowledge on subjects that appear extremely ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure Earth Not a Globe wasn't sold on a chapter by chapter basis.

And if you want Samuel Birley Rowbotham himself to come to your college and give a lecture, you're going to have to pony up the speaking fee. He's not running a charity.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 09:06:42 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2009, 09:12:15 PM »
Sorry to interveen between you and marjiko, but I do see how the Universal Zetetic Socieity. With the various fees required to gain more knowledge on the subject just doesn't see fair. It seems to be simular to ,no offense to any scientologist active on this forum, scientology and it's constant fees to gain more knowledge on subjects that appear extremely ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure Earth Not a Globe wasn't sold on a chapter by chapter basis.

And if you want Samuel Birley Rowbotham himself to come to your college and give a lecture, you're going to have to pony up the speaking fee. He's not running a charity.

Not to mention the reanimation process being pretty expensive.  Or are Rowbotham's lectures via seance these days?  :P
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2009, 02:13:21 AM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

No Tom.  The Universal Zetetic Society was lying to their "paying customers" about the earth being flat.

Distributing truth doesn't seem like much of a scam.

Distributing truth is by it's very definition a scam.  What is truth?  You will only find it in religion and mathematics. 



I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2009, 04:56:32 PM »
Distributing truth is by it's very definition a scam.  What is truth?  You will only find it in religion and mathematics. 

Then it's a good thing Samuel Birley Rowbotham mathematically demonstrated that the earth is flat.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2009, 05:31:31 PM »
Membership dues, speaking fees, merchandising, etc.  I doubt that all those lectures that Rowbotham did were free admission.

So was the Universall Zetetic Society double charging its member's credit cards or what?

No Tom.  The Universal Zetetic Society was lying to their "paying customers" about the earth being flat.

Distributing truth doesn't seem like much of a scam.

Distributing truth is by it's very definition a scam.  What is truth?  You will only find it in religion and mathematics. 

I disagree.
I don't remember anything. Well, I do, but it's really vague. Like I was on drugs the whole time.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2009, 07:00:43 PM »
Distributing truth is by it's very definition a scam.  What is truth?  You will only find it in religion and mathematics. 

Then it's a good thing Samuel Birley Rowbotham mathematically demonstrated that the earth is flat.

Too bad he didn't take bendy light into account when he "mathematically demonstrated that the earth is flat".
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Lets see what you've got
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2009, 07:32:54 PM »
Sorry to interveen between you and marjiko, but I do see how the Universal Zetetic Socieity. With the various fees required to gain more knowledge on the subject just doesn't see fair. It seems to be simular to ,no offense to any scientologist active on this forum, scientology and it's constant fees to gain more knowledge on subjects that appear extremely ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure Earth Not a Globe wasn't sold on a chapter by chapter basis.

And if you want Samuel Birley Rowbotham himself to come to your college and give a lecture, you're going to have to pony up the speaking fee. He's not running a charity.

Not to mention the reanimation process being pretty expensive.  Or are Rowbotham's lectures via seance these days?  :P
I don't want to risk opening the gates of hell on accednet, so I'll just donate towards the reanimation process. lol