A question about daylight distribution.

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A question about daylight distribution.
« on: April 17, 2009, 07:50:53 PM »
Have you ever seen a daytime map? This question is not meant in a sarcastic tone. Many people haven't actually seen one. It's a map that shows you the distribution of day and night on Earth. I once worked at a place that had a mechanical version of a daytime map that was remarkably accurate and you can see electronic version of it on various sites like this one.

Anyways, on to the topic at hand. I have a question about how daytime distribution actually works on your flat earth map.

Here are three different maps showing you how light is distributed around Earth at 12:00 noontime GMT during different times of the year.

This is in June, during the Summer Solstice.


This is in December, during the Winter Solstice.


This one is during the March equinox.


There's no denying that the maps above are accurate. Anyone can prove it by standing outside and monitor the time when the sun rises and sits and then compare it with a daytime map.

Now according to the Round Earth theory, the axis which Earth turns on is slightly tilted. Earth then circles around the sun, completing one circle each year. This means that depending on how Earth is facing the sun, one of the poles is constantly facing the sun while the opposite one is constantly in the dark. This explains (according to the Round Earth theory) why we have Summers and Winters. Then of course during equinoxes, when the we have an equally long day and night, Earth faces the sun from it's side giving both poles the same amount of exposure to the sun.
A simple sketch displaying Earth's exposure to the sun.




Now according to the Flat Earth theory, this is the reason that's given, when asked to explain the difference between winter and summer.


There's one thing that doesn't add up. When you try and take those 3 maps I showed above, these very same maps that can be proven to be accurate and incorporate them to a Flat Earth map, this is what you'll get:
June, Summer Solstice


December, Winter Solstice


March, Equinox.


Now why is the daylight behaving so strangely? How come all of the northern arctic is bathed in sunlight during the summer and the entire Ice wall is lit during winter, even on the night side of the world?

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 08:34:58 PM »
First of all, questions belong in Questions & Clarification, not Debate & Discussion.

Now why is the daylight behaving so strangely? How come all of the northern arctic is bathed in sunlight during the summer

The Sun is a spotlight.

and the entire Ice wall is lit during winter, even on the night side of the world?

There is an enormous mirror in the sky which reflects light onto the far side when the Sun is south of the Equator.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 08:52:56 PM »
For crying out loud Robosteve!

Now we have Mirrors to go with the nonsense of the "invisible" object that causes the Eclipses? Honestly have you cataloged your ramblings?  :-\

Or could it be that the "invisible" object is actually the Mirror?!? Quick call Tom Bishop, we may have solved what the "invisible" object is.  :o

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 08:54:34 PM »
Or could it be that the "invisible" object is actually the Mirror?!? Quick call Tom Bishop, we may have solved what the "invisible" object is.  :o

That doesn't make any sense. The Sky Mirror and the Shadow Object are two distinct entities.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 08:56:54 PM »
Or could it be that the "invisible" object is actually the Mirror?!? Quick call Tom Bishop, we may have solved what the "invisible" object is.  :o

That doesn't make any sense. The Sky Mirror and the Shadow Object are two distinct entities.

Buddy you crack me up!!!

"Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is"." Robosteve in another thread. What proof do you have there are the two distinct entities?
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 09:00:04 PM by 12345SA »

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 09:06:07 PM »
"Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is"." Robosteve in another thread. What proof do you have there are the two distinct entities?

Because a small object orbiting close to the Sun could not possibly reflect light as required for the Ice Wall to be fully lit during summer.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2009, 09:10:11 PM »
"Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is"." Robosteve in another thread. What proof do you have there are the two distinct entities?

Because a small object orbiting close to the Sun could not possibly reflect light as required for the Ice Wall to be fully lit during summer.


:D ??? :-\ :'(

Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 09:12:02 PM »
and this is the first time ive seen anyone - ever - mention a giant mirror. in no other thread have i ever seen it

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 09:14:09 PM »
and this is the first time ive seen anyone - ever - mention a giant mirror. in no other thread have i ever seen it

Your point?
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 09:16:36 PM »
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Because a small object orbiting close to the Sun could not possibly reflect light as required for the Ice Wall to be fully lit during summer.

Far as I can see, there's nowhere where such an object could reflect light as needed. Nor is there any reason why this object should exist, and trying to work out what's going to be lit and what isn't using it would be excessively complex when compared to the RE model.

What reason is there to hold this model in comparison to simply having a certain hemisphere lit simply because it's facing the right direction?

Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 09:24:28 PM »
and this is the first time ive seen anyone - ever - mention a giant mirror. in no other thread have i ever seen it

Your point?
its not even in the faq or anything. seems like it was made up on the spot. where is this fabled giant mirror?

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 09:28:44 PM »
its not even in the faq or anything. seems like it was made up on the spot. where is this fabled giant mirror?

I've mentioned it a couple of times before, though I don't know if anybody else considers it to be plausible. It's the only reasonable way I can think of for perpetual daylight in the rimward annulus to be possible. Also, it exists a few thousand kilometres above the celestial plane, rotating with a period equal to that of the Sun's orbital period.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 09:33:48 PM »
its not even in the faq or anything. seems like it was made up on the spot. where is this fabled giant mirror?

I've mentioned it a couple of times before, though I don't know if anybody else considers it to be plausible. It's the only reasonable way I can think of for perpetual daylight in the rimward annulus to be possible. Also, it exists a few thousand kilometres above the celestial plane, rotating with a period equal to that of the Sun's orbital period.
forgive my ignorance, but what is/are the rimward annulus

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2009, 09:35:18 PM »
forgive my ignorance, but what is/are the rimward annulus

It is what I like to call the southern hemisphere when speaking of FET. "Rimward" is south, and the area to the south of the Equator takes the shape of an annulus, hence "rimward annulus".
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 10:16:24 PM »
I think this thread is final proof of the fact that all FET believers are giant trolls.  Thanks for clearing that up Robosteve  ;D

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2009, 01:11:15 AM »
Who put the mirror up there, and when?

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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2009, 04:23:32 AM »
To be fair it makes much more sense than bendy light.
So apart from the giant mirror, the shadow object and the celestial gears, how many other strange objects are floating just above the earth? When will a giant inflatable banana be used to explain some new problem in FET?

Please stop taking the celestial gears hypothesis so literally. It is intended to illustrate the motion of the stars, not to describe physical gears in the sky.

Who put the mirror up there, and when?

It is a natural formation.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2009, 06:39:52 AM »
First of all, questions belong in Questions & Clarification, not Debate & Discussion.
Sorry. I thought this was a debate topic.

If you want me too, I could also post this article over at the Q&C topic.


There I've reposted the article in Q&C. We can start over there. A moderator can lock this if he wants to.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2009, 08:30:37 AM »
It's my contention that the sun's spotlight remains at all times circular. The current Flat Earth map is hypothetical, and the true map would look a bit different. The sun's circular spotlight grows and shrinks because the sun is moving closer and farther away from the earth over the course of the year as demonstrated in its anellema. This causes the circular spotlight to grow or shrink in diameter over its immediate vicinity.

Furthermore, in the diagrams you are operating under the assumption of an RE. Before we accept the data; who measured the length of day at every point on earth during equinox and where are those numbers? The data seems contrived under the assumption of an RE.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2009, 10:33:06 AM »
So these gears that don't exist drive the stars - have I got that right? I have to say the inflatable banana is more plausible.

It is a model to explain the motion of the stars. The actual interactions involved are gravitational.

The naturally formed giant mirror in the sky - why is it not visible? Is it also hypothetical?

It is visible. Go to Antarctica in December, and you will see it clear as day.

That didn't answer the question.

When the Sun is close to the North Pole, the spotlight constantly lights it up. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.

And also, you need to mention the heterogeneous EA...

No I don't. It's irrelevant here.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2009, 10:50:20 AM »
No it's not. Tom says its circular, you say its not circular. Who's right?

It is irrelevant to the question at hand.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2009, 11:08:13 AM »
No its not since it has direct consequences for how daylight distribution is explained on a flat earth.

I was speaking more specifically of the question of how the polar regions remain continuously lit in summer.

Also, I stand by my statement that the Sun's spotlight is not perfectly circular, just as Mr. Bishop will stand by his.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2009, 11:15:15 AM »
In which case you contradict each other. Who's right?

One of us must be right.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2009, 11:24:11 AM »
Correct. But that wasn't the question. Who's right?

And you expect me to answer that how, exactly?
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2009, 11:28:07 AM »
It's not hard. Try. One of you must be right. Pick one.

Pick one? So I get to choose how the world works? Fancy that.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2009, 11:34:04 AM »
In a sort of philosphical way, yes. So...

Who's right?

You're just not getting it, are you?
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2009, 11:34:53 AM »
Furthermore, in the diagrams you are operating under the assumption of an RE. Before we accept the data; who measured the length of day at every point on earth during equinox and where are those numbers? The data seems contrived under the assumption of an RE.

Agreed.  This has always been my biggest problem with "evidence" such as this.  It's not derived from actual observation, it's just an assumption based on the biased position that the Earth is round.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2009, 11:44:29 AM »
So far there's nothing to get. So who's right?

You're just not getting it, are you?
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2009, 11:49:38 AM »
Pouting, stamping your feet, and saying "you're not getting it" isn't an answer.

That's funny. I'd have thought you of all people would appreciate it.
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Re: A question about daylight distribution.
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2009, 11:51:21 AM »
Pouting, stamping your feet, and saying "you're not getting it" isn't an answer.

You and Tom propose contradictory hypotheses. Who's right?

He doesn't know, does he.
Why not go and find out for yourself?