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Igannon

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Clear Undeniable Proof
« on: April 16, 2009, 01:07:15 AM »
This is my first post.

I think this question is fairly straight foreword, and poignant. Its addressed to both sides of the arguement.

What would it take to convince you that the earth was actually Round? Flat? Geodesic?

To the FEers: The only way this theory works is if there IS actually a conspiracy as described in the FAQ, therefore, NASA imaging and other government information must be disregarded. But what about a major university? What about a private contractor? At what point would you believe someone who said "I have seen/have a picture of the earth, and it is flat." Would they have to be a close friend? Would you only truly believe if you saw it with your own eyes?

To the REers (myself included): This whole blog seems ludicrous, silly, and outrageous. Yet here we are. I very vehemently believe in the spherical nature of the earth. What would it take to change your mind? A strong arguement from someone in the blog? A Book? A paper published by a major university? Pictures? Would you only truly believe if you saw it with your own eyes?

To those who believe that the Earth is Geodesic: Pick a side, we're at war.


The point of these questions is twofold:
1)If your answer to these questions is "I would have to see it with my own eyes," or something very close to that, you don't belong here. When the conditions by which you would believe are unrealistic, you need to be taking a long hard look at yourself before you do anything else.
2) To hopefully advance the conversation a little from the same old debate, to something a little more focused and directed.

So, what would it take for you to believe?
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Parsifal

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 02:18:11 AM »
Not another one of these threads. Please, can we set a minimum post count for posting in Debate & Discussion?

Oh, and:

Quote from: Igannon on April 16, 2009, 01:07:15 AM
If your answer to these questions is "I would have to see it with my own eyes," or something very close to that, you don't belong here.

Please don't presume to tell us who does and does not belong here. You have one post; you are not integrated into the community here, nobody knows you, we don't give a shit what you think.
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 02:19:50 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on April 16, 2009, 02:18:11 AM
Not another one of these threads. Please, can we set a minimum post count for posting in Debate & Discussion?

Oh, and:

Quote from: Igannon on April 16, 2009, 01:07:15 AM
If your answer to these questions is "I would have to see it with my own eyes," or something very close to that, you don't belong here.

Please don't presume to tell us who does and does not belong here. You have one post; you are not integrated into the community here, nobody knows you, we don't give a shit what you think.
and just because you have 1 post doesnt make the post any less true, so answer the damn questions the man put forward if you truly belive in a FE, you shouldnt have any problems then, right?
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 02:35:44 AM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:19:50 AM
and just because you have 1 post doesnt make the post any less true, so answer the damn questions the man put forward if you truly belive in a FE, you shouldnt have any problems then, right?

He didn't ask any questions about Flat Earth Theory, he asked what would make one personally believe in an alternative theory. This does not belong in Debate & Discussion, and I don't feel compelled to answer it because it is irrelevant.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 02:44:03 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on April 16, 2009, 02:35:44 AM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:19:50 AM
and just because you have 1 post doesnt make the post any less true, so answer the damn questions the man put forward if you truly belive in a FE, you shouldnt have any problems then, right?

He didn't ask any questions about Flat Earth Theory, he asked what would make one personally believe in an alternative theory. This does not belong in Debate & Discussion, and I don't feel compelled to answer it because it is irrelevant.
regardless, if you truly do believe in FET at this time, there is always going to be some type of evidence that will change your mind. that is one of the main basic foundations of science. dont like it? prove it wrong. wana convert someone? prove it right.  what would make you change your mind. his question, regardless of what forum it was placed in, is still a valid one. now, what would make you change your mind
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 02:46:50 AM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:44:03 AM
regardless, if you truly do believe in FET at this time, there is always going to be some type of evidence that will change your mind. that is one of the main basic foundations of science. dont like it? prove it wrong. wana convert someone? prove it right.  what would make you change your mind. his question, regardless of what forum it was placed in, is still a valid one. now, what would make you change your mind

Well, to start with, it would help if Round Earthers like yourself tried to sound a bit more intelligent. Then we might take you guys more seriously.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 02:51:39 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on April 16, 2009, 02:46:50 AM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:44:03 AM
regardless, if you truly do believe in FET at this time, there is always going to be some type of evidence that will change your mind. that is one of the main basic foundations of science. dont like it? prove it wrong. wana convert someone? prove it right.  what would make you change your mind. his question, regardless of what forum it was placed in, is still a valid one. now, what would make you change your mind

Well, to start with, it would help if Round Earthers like yourself tried to sound a bit more intelligent. Then we might take you guys more seriously.
and you try to make yourself sound intelligent by using bullshit pseudoscience to disprove a universally accepted fact, and never back it up with any real evidence.

now answer the fucking question. what would it take to prove FE is wrong? without having to resort to the "conspirators" like nasa for photos
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2009, 02:58:01 AM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:51:39 AM
and you try to make yourself sound intelligent by using bullshit pseudoscience to disprove a universally accepted fact, and never back it up with any real evidence.

now answer the fucking question. what would it take to prove FE is wrong? without having to resort to the "conspirators" like nasa for photos

Have you tried lurking moar yet? I hear it can be good for the soul.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009, 02:59:52 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on April 16, 2009, 02:58:01 AM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:51:39 AM
and you try to make yourself sound intelligent by using bullshit pseudoscience to disprove a universally accepted fact, and never back it up with any real evidence.

now answer the fucking question. what would it take to prove FE is wrong? without having to resort to the "conspirators" like nasa for photos

Have you tried lurking moar yet? I hear it can be good for the soul.
i lurked, but when i never saw a single piece of evidence that proves FE but can not be explained with RE, i decided to post to find one. and you still havent answered the question, or do you simply not know?
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 03:05:56 AM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
i lurked, but when i never saw a single piece of evidence that proves FE but can not be explained with RE, i decided to post to find one. and you still havent answered the question, or do you simply not know?

Oh dear. It seems you haven't lurked enough yet.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009, 03:07:28 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on April 16, 2009, 03:05:56 AM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
i lurked, but when i never saw a single piece of evidence that proves FE but can not be explained with RE, i decided to post to find one. and you still havent answered the question, or do you simply not know?

Oh dear. It seems you haven't lurked enough yet.
stop complaining about the fact i supposedly havent lurked enough, because that is clearly not the point of this thread. now, answer the original questions or dont bother posting on this thread
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 03:10:03 AM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 03:07:28 AM
stop complaining about the fact i supposedly havent lurked enough, because that is clearly not the point of this thread. now, answer the original questions or dont bother posting on this thread

I'll post where I like, thanks. And you'll lurk moar, won't you?
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009, 03:14:15 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on April 16, 2009, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 03:07:28 AM
stop complaining about the fact i supposedly havent lurked enough, because that is clearly not the point of this thread. now, answer the original questions or dont bother posting on this thread

I'll post where I like, thanks. And you'll lurk moar, won't you?
mmm...no. no i wont. not until you answer the question of what it will take to change your mind after FET
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Pandemonium

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 03:15:24 AM »
I like the way he has completely avoided anything you're suggesting, lupey. Not even trying to provide an answer to support his ludicrous views. Then again, this guy is obviously spending all his time online, so it may be distorting his view.
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 03:30:48 AM »
Quote from: Pandemonium on April 16, 2009, 03:15:24 AM
I like the way he has completely avoided anything you're suggesting, lupey. Not even trying to provide an answer to support his ludicrous views.

There's a reason for that. Lurking moar will reveal it; I'm not about to provide a spoiler.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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Pandemonium

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2009, 03:44:57 AM »
Hey, guy. During lunar eclipses, the projected shadow of the earth on the moon is
always round.  If the earth were flat, then this projection will not always
be circular (it could degenerate to a line!). But this is never observed,
regardless of the time of the lunar eclipse. Why is that?
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2009, 04:17:38 AM »
Quote from: Pandemonium on April 16, 2009, 03:44:57 AM
Hey, guy. During lunar eclipses, the projected shadow of the earth on the moon is
always round.  If the earth were flat, then this projection will not always
be circular (it could degenerate to a line!). But this is never observed,
regardless of the time of the lunar eclipse. Why is that?

Because the shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is not that of the Earth.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.
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NTheGreat

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 05:19:22 AM »
Regarding the topic, I would consider the FE model if it had some benefit over the RE model in terms of simplicity or predictability. As it's currently a mash of various hypothetical forces and objects assumed to exist to explain errant shadows, I see little reason to consider it a sensible model.
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 07:02:20 AM »
Lupey, read the quote at the bottom of my post and you will gain insight into Robosteve.

Circular logic, non sensical whimsy, and specious arguments are the trade of the FE's. They will drive you mad because in their mind until a RE'r some how gets every network to a simultaneous broadcast with the Dali Lama, Pope, maybe Elmo, and throw in a FE'r (in other words a universally accepted "Good Guy") at the RE'r side and embark on a Non Government backed expedition to cross Antarctica multiple times intersecting the South Pole creating a spider web of paths to prove it is not the Great Ice Wall then rocket into space with an uninterrupted Live Feed fly around the world a few times then land back on the Earth, etc...

They know this will never happen due to the fact it would be impossible to convince anyone to spend the resources on the Foolish Mission that would be required to give them physical proof they crave. Funny how it is up to the RE'r to prove that the Earth is Round (despite logic and the past 200 years of science) while the FE'r only has to deal in Fantasy, Magic and books from the 1800's to say they are right.

Take this for what it is an entertainment site. No matter what you say or present they will attempt to discredit it or if you have a solid point they will ignore the thread entirely.  Don't let them get to you, you came because you wanted to see if people could actually believe this because you thought they were crazy... now you have you answer.

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Igannon

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 09:56:02 AM »
Thank you, NTheGreat, for replying within the context of the question.

As to the multiplicity of the thread topic, I apologize. I'm not very good at navigating forums. If there's another thread like this one, that answers my question, then I would be more than happy to drop this thread and forget about it. Otherwise, please think about the question I have posed and answer it.

Robosteve: Maybe you're right. I probably could have put this in the Questions and Clarifications area. I was on the fence about which category it falls under. I finally decided on Discussion and Debate because this is an essential question to the debate. If nothing will ever change your mind, then there really is no debate. Its just an argument. If, however, people answered the question, then the whole forum would have a clearer idea of the criteria needed to make a strong point.

So back to the original question. What would it take for you to believe in an opposing viewpoint?
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2009, 11:39:27 AM »
Quote from: Igannon on April 16, 2009, 09:56:02 AM
Thank you, NTheGreat, for replying within the context of the question.

As to the multiplicity of the thread topic, I apologize. I'm not very good at navigating forums. If there's another thread like this one, that answers my question, then I would be more than happy to drop this thread and forget about it. Otherwise, please think about the question I have posed and answer it.

Robosteve: Maybe you're right. I probably could have put this in the Questions and Clarifications area. I was on the fence about which category it falls under. I finally decided on Discussion and Debate because this is an essential question to the debate. If nothing will ever change your mind, then there really is no debate. Its just an argument. If, however, people answered the question, then the whole forum would have a clearer idea of the criteria needed to make a strong point.

So back to the original question. What would it take for you to believe in an opposing viewpoint?

To the believer, no proof is necessary. To the non-believer, no proof is possible.
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2009, 04:25:44 PM »
Quote from: grifoli on April 16, 2009, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Igannon on April 16, 2009, 09:56:02 AM
Thank you, NTheGreat, for replying within the context of the question.

As to the multiplicity of the thread topic, I apologize. I'm not very good at navigating forums. If there's another thread like this one, that answers my question, then I would be more than happy to drop this thread and forget about it. Otherwise, please think about the question I have posed and answer it.

Robosteve: Maybe you're right. I probably could have put this in the Questions and Clarifications area. I was on the fence about which category it falls under. I finally decided on Discussion and Debate because this is an essential question to the debate. If nothing will ever change your mind, then there really is no debate. Its just an argument. If, however, people answered the question, then the whole forum would have a clearer idea of the criteria needed to make a strong point.

So back to the original question. What would it take for you to believe in an opposing viewpoint?

To the believer, no proof is necessary. To the non-believer, no proof is possible.
that is more true to religion than science.
all sciencists accept the fact that they may be wrong, that they may have missed something, and as such are prepared to review new findings. however, the FE dont do that. they just constructed (or more, ressurected an ancient) model of the earth and use pseudoscience to "prove" it with nothing to back up their wild claims of bendy light, dark energy and the sun and moon being the same size and distance from earth. all of these things have been repeatedly disproven with RE.
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Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM »
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 06:02:07 PM »
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
then convert to RE. its arguments are alot more logical than FE. there are also alot more and have been proven. go go go!
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 06:09:28 PM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
then convert to RE. its arguments are alot more logical than FE. there are also alot more and have been proven. go go go!
First of all, sentences start with capitol letters. Second of all, a lot is two words. Third of all, prove it.
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2009, 06:15:24 PM »
for me to flip to one side it require an argument constructed in this process.
A) using truths accepted by both sides
B) focusing on a difference between FE and RE.
C) all factors not accepted by both sides must be proven.
D) an experiment must be agreed upon by both sides focusing on the difference between RE and FE
E) a prediction should be made by both sides as to the results of the experiment.
F) whosever prediction is correct has proven their side.
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Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2009, 06:40:18 PM »
Quote from: Johnboy on April 16, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
then convert to RE. its arguments are alot more logical than FE. there are also alot more and have been proven. go go go!
First of all, sentences start with capitol letters. Second of all, a lot is two words. Third of all, prove it.
By the way, it would be "capital". Way to fail.
I try, I try.
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lupey

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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2009, 06:55:46 PM »
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
then convert to RE. its arguments are alot more logical than FE. there are also alot more and have been proven. go go go!
First of all, sentences start with capitol letters. Second of all, a lot is two words. Third of all, prove it.
does my grammer really matter? your just trying to find a way to make me looks stupid, when the way i type has little to no bearing on the main reason behind the thread, does it? also, i type fast and cant be expected to have 100% accuracy when i type
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2009, 07:14:12 PM »
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
then convert to RE. its arguments are alot more logical than FE. there are also alot more and have been proven. go go go!
First of all, sentences start with capitol letters. Second of all, a lot is two words. Third of all, prove it.
Does my grammar really matter? You're just trying to find a way to make me looks stupid, when the way I type has little to no bearing on the main reason behind the thread, does it? Also, I type fast and can't be expected to have 100% accuracy when I type.
Trying to make you look stupid? I believe it is working. No, I don't expect perfect grammar,but at least fucking try. You might even like it. Also, I type at a respectable 60 WPM (not amazing,but decent),and still have passable grammar and punctuation. Trust me,I'm trying to help you not look like a complete fucktard,you can thank me later.
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Re: Clear Undeniable Proof
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2009, 07:18:47 PM »
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: lupey on April 16, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
For me to "convert" it would require RE to have well constructed arguments and evidence. Also, PiratePete, calm the fuck down,you're not cute enough to be a dick.
then convert to RE. its arguments are alot more logical than FE. there are also alot more and have been proven. go go go!
First of all, sentences start with capitol letters. Second of all, a lot is two words. Third of all, prove it.
Does my grammar really matter? You're just trying to find a way to make me looks stupid, when the way I type has little to no bearing on the main reason behind the thread, does it? Also, I type fast and can't be expected to have 100% accuracy when I type.
Trying to make you look stupid? I believe it is working. No, I don't expect perfect grammar,but at least fucking try. You might even like it. Also, I type at a respectable 60 WPM (not amazing,but decent),and still have passable grammar and punctuation. Trust me,I'm trying to help you not look like a complete fucktard,you can thank me later.
again, your missing the entire fucking point of this thread. my grammer is not the fucking issue here so stop acting like it is. i type with proper gammer and punctuation when it is really required, not on forums filled with idiots and trolls. also, 90% of the time when i type in MS word it auto corrects it for me so i dont really need to worry about it that much
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