I got lucky again.

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EnigmaZV

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Re: I got lucky again.
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2013, 10:14:24 PM »
The big difference I see is that a charity's books are open, and anyone can know where all the money goes. A televangelist keeps his income and profits secret.
I suppose your solution would be to not hire any marketing manager at all, and maybe cut funding to any marketing initiatives at all.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2013, 11:35:08 PM »
I am glad you agree with their position, however I don't. I don't want them bringing in more money, and paying someone 35 cents an hour. If I was one of the million dollar CEO's, there would not be anybody or any reason to pay people 2 or 3 dollars a day. That is exploitation, and just wrong.

Actually, it's a charity. Goodwill is providing free training, competitive employment, and resume work experience opportunities to the disabled who are virtually unemployable.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/08/11/Goodwill-Industries-legally-can-pay-disabled-workers-pennies-per-hour/UPI-88131376243498/

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Goodwill Industries International spokesperson Lauren Lawson, said, "The low wages you have referenced are extraordinary situations. For example, sometimes an employee will work for a few minutes but then stop producing for the rest of the shift because of an emotional or behavioral issue. Unlike a typical employer, Goodwill does not dismiss an employee in such situations."

"The organization's work program is meant to provide the most significantly disabled individuals in our community with work that will either lead to competitive employment; or for those where this may not be possible, to enjoy the many personal, social and economic benefits of working," said Dan Buron, executive director of Goodwill Industries of Southeastern Michigan, which, in 2010, paid a worker 6 cents per hour.


Wages are calculated based on productivity:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/10/19916979-more-disabled-workers-paid-just-pennies-an-hour

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The non-profits use “time studies” to calculate the salaries of Section 14 (c) workers. With a stopwatch, staff members time how long it takes a disabled worker to complete a task. That time is compared with how long it would take a person without a disability to do the same task. The non-profit then applies a formula to calculate a rate of pay, which may be equal to or less than minimum wage. The tests are repeated every six months, and wages can rise or fall.

Sub-minimum wage is for extreme cases. It is not across the board. The average hourly wage for the Section 14 (c) disabled workers is above minimum wage

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According to Goodwill’s figures, nationally the average hourly wage for those Section 14 (c) employees is $7.47 an hour.
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Re: I got lucky again.
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2013, 05:59:15 AM »
Minimum wage should be the minimum wage for anyone who has not given up their constitutional rights (I.e. Convicts).
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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2013, 06:22:49 AM »
My guess it that those employees getting pennies per hour are not working in order to support themselves.  They are probably already using other programs for room and board, so the work is probably more for building a modicum of self-esteem and I don't really have a problem with that. 

My problem is with exorbitant salaries for the higher ranking employees.  If they truly believed in their causes, then they would take more modest salaries so that more money would be available to help their clients.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 06:26:15 AM by markjo »
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EnigmaZV

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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2013, 09:00:33 AM »
My guess it that those employees getting pennies per hour are not working in order to support themselves.  They are probably already using other programs for room and board, so the work is probably more for building a modicum of self-esteem and I don't really have a problem with that. 

My problem is with exorbitant salaries for the higher ranking employees.  If they truly believed in their causes, then they would take more modest salaries so that more money would be available to help their clients.

Whose to say it isn't a more modest salary? Look at how large and complicated an organization like Goodwill is. Find a comparable for-profit organization, and I can assure you that the people at the top are making more than the people at Goodwill.
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Re: I got lucky again.
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2013, 09:16:24 AM »
My guess it that those employees getting pennies per hour are not working in order to support themselves.  They are probably already using other programs for room and board, so the work is probably more for building a modicum of self-esteem and I don't really have a problem with that. 

My problem is with exorbitant salaries for the higher ranking employees.  If they truly believed in their causes, then they would take more modest salaries so that more money would be available to help their clients.

Whose to say it isn't a more modest salary? Look at how large and complicated an organization like Goodwill is. Find a comparable for-profit organization, and I can assure you that the people at the top are making more than the people at Goodwill.
You don't go into a charitable organization with the intention of getting rich, at last that shouldn't be the intent.  For-profit is entirely about money and I would expect the upper levels to be compensated better, similar to how they are paid better than the person in charge of the entire nation.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: I got lucky again.
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2013, 09:48:00 AM »
Minimum wage should be the minimum wage for anyone who has not given up their constitutional rights (I.e. Convicts).

Then you are advocating equal pay for unequal work.

How is it fair that a mentally disabled person who only does 1/10th the work of folding clothes, spending most of the day in a catatonic state, receives the same pay as a stable person who is working very hard in their clothes folding?

Would it be fair if your company hired someone who slept all day at their desk, doing a job similar to yours, but sub-par, and received equal pay for it?

Goodwill is performing a charitable act by employing these people, who are otherwise unemployable, and training them in retail and customer service skills. Shame on you for bad mouthing them.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 10:12:09 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: I got lucky again.
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2013, 10:07:37 AM »
I'd pay to watch someone in a catatonic state fold clothes.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2013, 12:17:17 PM »
can we all just agree that hoppy should be our next FE President?

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markjo

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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2013, 06:59:57 PM »
That depends on what kind of salary he expects.
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hoppy

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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2013, 07:26:23 PM »
That depends on what kind of salary he expects.
I am negiotiable on salary. Anywhere from 24 - 38 cents an hour. Also I can fold tee shirts in under 45 minutes. That should help on the back log of TFES tee shirts.

FYI. I am not just bragging about my tee shirt folding ability. At my time trials, although 1 tee shirt took a little over 3 hours to fold. I had 6 others that took just over 30 minutes each to fold.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2013, 02:02:28 PM by hoppy »
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