Antarctic Cruises

I am sure that this topic has been covered before, but what of the matter of Antarctic cruises? At this point in time a number of Cruise Liners make Antarctic voyages in which thousands of individuals, myself being one of them, can get up close and personal with such antarctic features as continental ice shelfs and the likes of such. How exactly does this fit into FE conspiracy theories? If the governments of the world are conspiring to keep the public ignorant, why would they allow the public to experience, first hand, one of the most closely guarded aspects of the secret, the giant ice wall? Please discuss.

It would certainly stop people having first hand evidence of flat earth busting concepts such as permanant daylight and permanant night.

[size=1000pt]booh yahh robosteve suck that one[/size]

Really? There's nothing in the FAQ.

OK well the floor is yours, explain away Robot.

Um you do know that the sun sets prior to permanant night, right?

If the sun was too far away it would simple remain in the sky and peter out as the observer travelled south. That's not what is observed.

Bear in mind that sunlight travels millions of miles to get to the earth.

Hmm, so sometimes the sun does set, and othertimes it just remains in the sky. Pretty weird how you can pick both sides at once huh?

Enormous mirrors in the sky. LOL. I can't believe I wasted my time replying to this thread and then I get to shite like that. You owe me 5 minutes of my life.

"No" is not an answer. I read the FAQ. It doesn't explain this topic. Hence the debate.

Also, you seem to want to reject the FAQ (especially the bit about light not bending) Can you tell me which bits I should believe and which I shouldn't? Ta.

Yes it does. Learn basic astronomy/ physics. http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_kids/AskKids/sundist.shtml

Except light doesn't bend. Read the FAQ. And you're f*cking with Pythagoras in ways that would make a kindergarden teacher want to speak to your parents.

And I illustrated how ridiculous your answer was. The alternative theory is a round earth. You might remember hearing about it at school...

Oh dear lord. Get thee to a school with a sympathetic teacher.

Take careful notice of the use of the phrase "right angle".

I don't believe Pythagoras' Theorem says anything about the angles in a triangle.

I'm still wondering how the hell triangles factor into this.

I don't quite think that you guys are grasping what I am trying to get at. Here let me explain the series of events as I see it:

1) Some ancient "scientist" and a corrupt government space agency discover that, contrary to the beliefs of millions of people and the conclusions derived from thousands of scientific observations, the earth is in fact as flat as a pancake. Oh.....and there's a giant wall of ice surrounding the earth.
Pancakes come in many different levels of thickness.
2) The corrupt space agency realizes that there is no money to be made from flat-earth space discovery and creates an elaborate plan to hide the reality from the ignorant and unsuspecting population. They form a vast bureaucracy and *efficiently* manage to carry out a program of misinformation while staying within their *budget constraints*.
NASA's budget is bigger than the GDP of small countries. And contrary to unpopular belief, money is power.
3) This forum is created and you, the "enlightened" individuals who will spread this universal truth, go about divulging the information that the government has spent billions of dollars to cover up.
Another win for Captain Obvious.
4) The government does absolutely nothing about this because they know that nobody will believe you and that everybody will dismiss you as a group of crazies. I wonder why?
Also,because if they took it down it would just 1. Raise suspicion. and 2. Be put back up in a different country outside their control.
5) Cruise line companies exploit the last natural frontier that the earth possesses, the ice wall. They show thousands of obese tourists the massive geological formation that the government has spent billions of dollars and employed thousands of guards to hide and defend.
It wouldn't be suspicious at all if cruise lines were just flat out told "NO, you cant go there. You don't need to know why."
6) The government, once again, does absa-fucking-lutely nothing about this.
See above.
Now, I don't know if I being obtuse or something, but this sounds like the most poorly contrived conspiracy theory ever. You are telling me that the government is trying very hard to dupe us with the concept of gravity, but that it isn't doing shit to hide the 17,000 mile-long wall of ice whose farthest side proves the idea of a flat earth.

G-G-G-G-GET THE FUCK OUT
Bigger is not always better.
*question: since when has the government ever been able to do anything efficiently or within its budget constraints?
The majority of the time.

Quote from: Robosteve on April 14, 2009, 07:46:24 PM

They would, if light travelled in straight lines.

Which it does.

Prove it.

Wikipedia does not constitute proof.

Anyways my point was that real science already described the properties of light long ago.

So what does "real" science describe the properties of light as? Last I checked they didn't even know whether light was a particle or a wave.

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Anyways my point was that real science already described the properties of light long ago.

So what does "real" science describe the properties of light as? Last I checked they didn't even know whether light was a particle or a wave.

Last I checked they didn't even know whether light was a particle or a wave.

So what does "real" science describe the properties of light as? Last I checked they didn't even know whether light was a particle or a wave.

Quote from: markjo on April 15, 2009, 03:38:46 PM

It's both.  http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/ekspong/

How does that work? Does light decide to exist as a particle Monday through Friday and then spend its weekends relaxing as a wave?   

Quote from: E349 on April 15, 2009, 07:10:38 AM

I don't quite think that you guys are grasping what I am trying to get at. Here let me explain the series of events as I see it:

1) Some ancient "scientist" and a corrupt government space agency discover that, contrary to the beliefs of millions of people and the conclusions derived from thousands of scientific observations, the earth is in fact as flat as a pancake. Oh.....and there's a giant wall of ice surrounding the earth.
Pancakes come in many different levels of thickness.
I am afraid that you have confused this planet for a pancake.
2) The corrupt space agency realizes that there is no money to be made from flat-earth space discovery and creates an elaborate plan to hide the reality from the ignorant and unsuspecting population. They form a vast bureaucracy and *efficiently* manage to carry out a program of misinformation while staying within their *budget constraints*.
NASA's budget is bigger than the GDP of small countries. And contrary to unpopular belief, money is power.
Yes, but NASA also employs more people than the populations of some small nations. And in accordance with popular belief, government = inefficiency.
3) This forum is created and you, the "enlightened" individuals who will spread this universal truth, go about divulging the information that the government has spent billions of dollars to cover up.
Another win for Captain Obvious.
It is amazing how you have failed to master that which you have pointed out.
4) The government does absolutely nothing about this because they know that nobody will believe you and that everybody will dismiss you as a group of crazies. I wonder why?
Also,because if they took it down it would just 1. Raise suspicion. and 2. Be put back up in a different country outside their control.
Raise suspicion!?!?! Somehow the government has managed to dupe the entire world without raising suspicion and yet you don't think it capable of eliminating ONE WEBSITE.
5) Cruise line companies exploit the last natural frontier that the earth possesses, the ice wall. They show thousands of obese tourists the massive geological formation that the government has spent billions of dollars and employed thousands of guards to hide and defend.
It wouldn't be suspicious at all if cruise lines were just flat out told "NO, you cant go there. You don't need to know why."
While I admit that it would be very suspicious for the government to do this, it runs contrary to their policy of secrecy and global ignorance to permit it.
6) The government, once again, does absa-fucking-lutely nothing about this.
See above.
See above.
Now, I don't know if I being obtuse or something, but this sounds like the most poorly contrived conspiracy theory ever. You are telling me that the government is trying very hard to dupe us with the concept of gravity, but that it isn't doing shit to hide the 17,000 mile-long wall of ice whose farthest side proves the idea of a flat earth.

G-G-G-G-GET THE FUCK OUT
Bigger is not always better.
*question: since when has the government ever been able to do anything efficiently or within its budget constraints?
The majority of the time.
Let me remind you that this is the same government that needs six men to do a two-man job. Example: Road work.

Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 15, 2009, 09:13:02 AM

Quote from: E349 on April 15, 2009, 07:10:38 AM

I don't quite think that you guys are grasping what I am trying to get at. Here let me explain the series of events as I see it:

1) Some ancient "scientist" ... <rant rant rant> ...
Let me remind you that this is the same government that needs six men to do a two-man job. Example: Road work.

Quote from: Waste of Mind on April 15, 2009, 09:13:02 AM

Quote from: E349 on April 15, 2009, 07:10:38 AM

I don't quite think that you guys are grasping what I am trying to get at. Here let me explain the series of events as I see it:

1) Some ancient "scientist" and a corrupt government space agency discover that, contrary to the beliefs of millions of people and the conclusions derived from thousands of scientific observations, the earth is in fact as flat as a pancake. Oh.....and there's a giant wall of ice surrounding the earth.
Pancakes come in many different levels of thickness.
I am afraid that you have confused this planet for a pancake.

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Actually,if you will notice the italics, you will see that you are the one who has mistaken this planet for a pancake.

2) The corrupt space agency realizes that there is no money to be made from flat-earth space discovery and creates an elaborate plan to hide the reality from the ignorant and unsuspecting population. They form a vast bureaucracy and *efficiently* manage to carry out a program of misinformation while staying within their *budget constraints*.
NASA's budget is bigger than the GDP of small countries. And contrary to unpopular belief, money is power.
Yes, but NASA also employs more people than the populations of some small nations. And in accordance with popular belief, government = inefficiency.

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Enough of your "government is a big evil inefficient machine" ideals,anarchist. In reality, the government is rather efficient.

3) This forum is created and you, the "enlightened" individuals who will spread this universal truth, go about divulging the information that the government has spent billions of dollars to cover up.
Another win for Captain Obvious.
It is amazing how you have failed to master that which you have pointed out.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at their,so I shall call you a banana.

4) The government does absolutely nothing about this because they know that nobody will believe you and that everybody will dismiss you as a group of crazies. I wonder why?
Also,because if they took it down it would just 1. Raise suspicion. and 2. Be put back up in a different country outside their control.
Raise suspicion!?!?! Somehow the government has managed to dupe the entire world without raising suspicion and yet you don't think it capable of eliminating ONE WEBSITE.

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I didn't say they couldn't, I said that won't for the previous reasons.

5) Cruise line companies exploit the last natural frontier that the earth possesses, the ice wall. They show thousands of obese tourists the massive geological formation that the government has spent billions of dollars and employed thousands of guards to hide and defend.
It wouldn't be suspicious at all if cruise lines were just flat out told "NO, you cant go there. You don't need to know why."
While I admit that it would be very suspicious for the government to do this, it runs contrary to their policy of secrecy and global ignorance to permit it.

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Go put on a helmet,seriously. Do you have any idea how impossible of a task this would be? Even harder than convincing everyone that the world is round.

6) The government, once again, does absa-fucking-lutely nothing about this.
See above.
See above.

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See above.

Now, I don't know if I being obtuse or something, but this sounds like the most poorly contrived conspiracy theory ever. You are telling me that the government is trying very hard to dupe us with the concept of gravity, but that it isn't doing shit to hide the 17,000 mile-long wall of ice whose farthest side proves the idea of a flat earth.

G-G-G-G-GET THE FUCK OUT
Bigger is not always better.
*question: since when has the government ever been able to do anything efficiently or within its budget constraints?
The majority of the time.
Let me remind you that this is the same government that needs six men to do a two-man job. Example: Road work.

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I hate to say it,but do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?