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Consciousness
« on: April 07, 2009, 03:55:30 PM »
Do you believe consciousness is simply the product of a complex set of chemical reactions in the brain, or something deeper, for example a soul?

Is it possible that only one conscious being has ever existed  and we are all stem from that one entity? Or is it all simply an illusion, and we are all mindless robots?
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I don't remember anything. Well, I do, but it's really vague. Like I was on drugs the whole time.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 04:35:40 PM »
Consciousness? Can you see it? Measure it? Weigh it? Pass it around? Then how is it different from something that doesn't exist at all?

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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 07:38:54 PM »
Something more. I have a hard time explaining this so if it come out wrong don't get to mad
I know I have a consciousness because I can consciously see this computer in front of me. If I  was a set of chemical reactions I could react to seeing it in way that are undistinguished from "thought", However I would not be in my mind seeing my computer. there would not be an image formed in my mind. there might be information that represents it but I wouldn't see it, I wouldn't be "thinking"
I understand this doesn't sound that clear, but that is because I came up with this idea without real words so I am having a hard time turning into words. Forgive me if I wasn't clear.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 08:57:07 PM »
I know, it's really hard to describe.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 08:59:22 PM »
Is a cat conscious?
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 09:02:11 PM »
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on April 07, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
Is a cat conscious?
It is impossible to know for sure. The only person you can ever know is truly conscious is yourself.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 09:44:46 PM »
For all I know you're all just bags of flesh claiming to be conscious.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 09:48:53 PM »
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on April 07, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
Is a cat conscious?
Well, not fully conscious.  They're usually referred to as being "semi-sentient", but its hard for me to comprehend exactly what that means.  It's difficult (or downright impossible) to imagine not being fully conscious since you need to imagine it from a conscious perspective.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 09:49:29 PM »
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 09:44:46 PM
For all I know you're all just bags of flesh claiming to be conscious.
Correct I don't know if you are a conscious human being or a chemical reaction.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 10:33:39 PM »
Quote from: optimisticcynic on April 07, 2009, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 09:44:46 PM
For all I know you're all just bags of flesh claiming to be conscious.
Correct I don't know if you are a conscious human being or a chemical reaction.
Well I'm not human for starters, I'm a colony of anteaters. I am also semi-sentient as an individual (it's hard to explain what it's like). The closest feeling to it would be to get really high on vicadon, pot, alcohol, and shrooms.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2009, 10:39:34 PM »
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 10:33:39 PM
The closest feeling to it would be to get really high on vicadon, pot, alcohol, and shrooms.


you can get all of the in 5 mins with SALVIA
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2009, 10:41:19 PM »
Quote from: LUNCH on April 07, 2009, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 10:33:39 PM
The closest feeling to it would be to get really high on vicadon, pot, alcohol, and shrooms.


you can get all of the in 5 mins with SALVIA
Is salvia really that potent?  I had heard it was similar to a pot high.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2009, 10:43:40 PM »
Not even close. It is it's own weird high, you'll either feel nothing or have vivid full sensory hallucinations.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 10:44:37 PM »
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 10:43:40 PM
Not even close. It is it's own weird high, you'll either feel nothing or have vivid full sensory hallucinations.
Who the hell came up with these drugs.
Lets smoke this and see what happens.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 10:45:11 PM »
lol the first time i did it i knew i was in a false reality (it was... fucked) and that every one was just a computer program lying to me. then all of a sudden the room started splitting into different levels (imagine a slot machine but with 500 slots) all around me.

looked like this but it was everything that i could see that was doing it. (including people)

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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2009, 10:48:55 PM »
Am I the only one here that has not smoked something?
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2009, 10:52:23 PM »
Quote from: optimisticcynic on April 07, 2009, 10:48:55 PM
Am I the only one here that has not smoked something?

not even weed? ever?.... (good 4 u)
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2009, 10:53:37 PM »
Quote from: optimisticcynic on April 07, 2009, 10:48:55 PM
Am I the only one here that has not smoked something?
Probably, not even one puff off a cigar, hookah, cigarette, weed?
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2009, 10:55:47 PM »
Nope. Never felt the need. Besides with what I do in my free time I want to be thinking straight. Some of the stuff I do is pretty touchy and could be set off by a wrong movement.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2009, 11:02:27 PM »
Explosives? Pot doesn't really affect your motor skills unless you are under the influence of it.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2009, 11:04:27 PM »
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 11:02:27 PM
Explosives? Pot doesn't really affect your motor skills unless you are under the influence of it.
technically they are a quick burn. However they are made close enough to a heat source they could easily catch.
Anyway I was more worried about diminished mental capacity's.. 

Besides I don't like anything that affect my mind directly. I have been on anti Anxiety  medication and ADHD medication And really didn't like them.
Also I am what I think and I want to be who I am not what some chemical makes me. I am going to go through life as me, and only me.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2009, 11:15:44 PM »
Quote from: optimisticcynic on April 07, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 11:02:27 PM
Explosives? Pot doesn't really affect your motor skills unless you are under the influence of it.
technically they are a quick burn. However they are made close enough to a heat source they could easily catch.
Anyway I was more worried about diminished mental capacity's.. 

Besides I don't like anything that affect my mind directly. I have been on anti Anxiety  medication and ADHD medication And really didn't like them.
Also I am what I think and I want to be who I am not what some chemical makes me. I am going to go through life as me, and only me.
I think you're overestimating the effects of pot. Any affect it would have on you mental capacity is temporary (would go away within a day). Anti-depressants and ADHD medication (Amphetamines), are much more powerful than weed. As far as personality changes, those are more subjective. People who are dumb and smoke, were dumb before they started.

All pot does is make you feel relaxed, euphoric, and hungry (that is mainly because food tastes amazing whilst high). In some cases paranoid.   
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2009, 11:21:22 PM »
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 11:15:44 PM
Quote from: optimisticcynic on April 07, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 11:02:27 PM
Explosives? Pot doesn't really affect your motor skills unless you are under the influence of it.
technically they are a quick burn. However they are made close enough to a heat source they could easily catch.
Anyway I was more worried about diminished mental capacity's.. 

Besides I don't like anything that affect my mind directly. I have been on anti Anxiety  medication and ADHD medication And really didn't like them.
Also I am what I think and I want to be who I am not what some chemical makes me. I am going to go through life as me, and only me.
I think you're overestimating the effects of pot. Any affect it would have on you mental capacity is temporary (would go away within a day). Anti-depressants and ADHD medication (Amphetamines), are much more powerful than weed. As far as personality changes, those are more subjective. People who are dumb and smoke, were dumb before they started.

All pot does is make you feel relaxed, euphoric, and hungry (that is mainly because food tastes amazing whilst high). In some cases paranoid.   
A I said anti Anxiety not Anti depressants. B Why would I want to. I can always find something to DO no mater the situation whether I am sad, board or angry. Why smoke?
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2009, 11:28:27 PM »
Anti-anxiety/depressant medications are usually interchangeable. I smoke personally just to augment certain activities. I rarely smoke just to smoke.

Eating your favorite food while high will completely change your view on the culinary arts.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2009, 11:38:18 PM »
Quote from: Anteater7171 on April 07, 2009, 11:28:27 PM
Anti-anxiety/depressant medications are usually interchangeable. I smoke personally just to augment certain activities. I rarely smoke just to smoke.

Eating your favorite food while high will completely change your view on the culinary arts.

not to mention, MUSIC, MOVIES, GAMES, CONVERSATION, (food food food food), are all a lot more interesting while under the influence
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2009, 11:47:00 PM »
It also is a great anti-anxiety medication. Once I learned how to cope with the occasional bouts of paranoia, it actually makes a very effective anti-depressant/anxiety treatment.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2009, 12:28:57 AM »
plus food is really good... oh shit.. did i say that already? :P
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2009, 12:56:11 AM »
Pot funds TERRORISM, I saw it on TV so it must be true.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2009, 01:01:56 AM »
Stop watching fox news.
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Re: Consciousness
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2009, 04:01:16 AM »
Never done drugs beyond tobbacco. Not through puritanism, just never been around them and never bothered to seek them out.
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