"Flat Earth" Facts Contradict One Another

If the universe is infinite, there may be infinite of matter also.
And infinite of Roundy's...Tom Bishop's..and...Robosteve's..
Oh dear...well let's hope not! 

What do you mean by "may be"? If the Universe is spatially infinite, there are an infinite number of perfect copies of the Earth, perfect copies of the solar system, perfect copies of our entire galaxy out there. Elementary probability theory.

Quote from: svenanders on April 16, 2009, 03:08:32 PM

If the universe is infinite, there may be infinite of matter also.
And infinite of Roundy's...Tom Bishop's..and...Robosteve's..
Oh dear...well let's hope not! 

What do you mean by "may be"? If the Universe is spatially infinite, there are an infinite number of perfect copies of the Earth, perfect copies of the solar system, perfect copies of our entire galaxy out there. Elementary probability theory.

Well if you believe in parallel universes then the universe as a whole is infinite, but if not then it's not.

Well if you believe in parallel universes then the universe as a whole is infinite, but if not then it's not.

 

Quote from: TheSphericalist on April 16, 2009, 09:42:31 PM

Well if you believe in parallel universes then the universe as a whole is infinite, but if not then it's not.

 

Instead of just posting " " , why don't you explain what you're not understanding.  Otherwise, your post is not needed.

Instead of just posting " " , why don't you explain what you're not understanding.  Otherwise, your post is not needed.

What I'm not understanding is how you can possibly think anybody can derive any meaning from that drivel coming out of your keyboard.

Quote from: TheSphericalist on April 16, 2009, 09:48:56 PM

Instead of just posting " " , why don't you explain what you're not understanding.  Otherwise, your post is not needed.

What I'm not understanding is how you can possibly think anybody can derive any meaning from that drivel coming out of your keyboard.

Do you know what a parallel universe is?

I find it funny how FEers insult people when they're just trying to understand FEer's logic.

Do you know what a parallel universe is?

Yes.

Quote from: svenanders on April 16, 2009, 03:08:32 PM

If the universe is infinite, there may be infinite of matter also.
And infinite of Roundy's...Tom Bishop's..and...Robosteve's..
Oh dear...well let's hope not! 

What do you mean by "may be"? If the Universe is spatially infinite, there are an infinite number of perfect copies of the Earth, perfect copies of the solar system, perfect copies of our entire galaxy out there. Elementary probability theory.

i think the most plausible hypothesis is that the universe reaches out for an almost incomprehensible distance, likely trillions of trillions of lightyears, and starts to bend back on itself. as such, if someone could travel forever, they would eventually end up whre they started. there is no solid, definate 'end' to the universe.
however, if that is true, in the massiveness of space there is likely to be several other systems with similar formations to this one, with planets similar to earth
(no, not a fe/re post, so dont kill me. just my thoughts)

i think the most plausible hypothesis is that the universe reaches out for an almost incomprehensible distance, likely trillions of trillions of lightyears, and starts to bend back on itself. as such, if someone could travel forever, they would eventually end up whre they started. there is no solid, definate 'end' to the universe.
however, if that is true, in the massiveness of space there is likely to be several other systems with similar formations to this one, with planets similar to earth
(no, not a fe/re post, so dont kill me. just my thoughts)

Why is that the most plausible hypothesis? What evidence do you have indicating the shape of the Universe one way or the other?

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 04:35:36 AM

i think the most plausible hypothesis is that the universe reaches out for an almost incomprehensible distance, likely trillions of trillions of lightyears, and starts to bend back on itself. as such, if someone could travel forever, they would eventually end up whre they started. there is no solid, definate 'end' to the universe.
however, if that is true, in the massiveness of space there is likely to be several other systems with similar formations to this one, with planets similar to earth
(no, not a fe/re post, so dont kill me. just my thoughts)

Why is that the most plausible hypothesis? What evidence do you have indicating the shape of the Universe one way or the other?

well its the most plausible in my eyes i also find it highly unlikely that the universe has infinite matter and as such, would have to end somewhere. but what would be at the end of the universe? a massive wall? if thats not the case, where does it go? if you keep going then in theory you would "leave" the universe and then where would you be? it seems much simpler for, in this case,that the universe is supremely massive yet bends back in itself, eliminating the need for a wall, because with finite matter goes finite space for it to be in

you got any better ideas?

well its the most plausible in my eyes i also find it highly unlikely that the universe has infinite matter and as such, would have to end somewhere. but what would be at the end of the universe? a massive wall? if thats not the case, where does it go? if you keep going then in theory you would "leave" the universe and then where would you be? it seems much simpler for, in this case,that the universe is supremely massive yet bends back in itself, eliminating the need for a wall, because with finite matter goes finite space for it to be in

you got any better ideas?

Why is it unlikely that the Universe has infinite matter?

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 03:32:54 PM

well its the most plausible in my eyes i also find it highly unlikely that the universe has infinite matter and as such, would have to end somewhere. but what would be at the end of the universe? a massive wall? if thats not the case, where does it go? if you keep going then in theory you would "leave" the universe and then where would you be? it seems much simpler for, in this case,that the universe is supremely massive yet bends back in itself, eliminating the need for a wall, because with finite matter goes finite space for it to be in

you got any better ideas?

Why is it unlikely that the Universe has infinite matter?

thats just my view, yet i understand that some people feel differently. if it is finite, though, can you think of any way for the universe to work other than bending back on itself?

thats just my view, yet i understand that some people feel differently.

A poor rationalisation. The Universe doesn't care what you think, it's been however it is for at least thirteen billion years.

if it is finite, though, can you think of any way for the universe to work other than bending back on itself?

No.

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 07:03:12 PM

thats just my view, yet i understand that some people feel differently.

A poor rationalisation. The Universe doesn't care what you think, it's been however it is for at least thirteen billion years.

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 07:03:12 PM

if it is finite, though, can you think of any way for the universe to work other than bending back on itself?

No.

setting aside how the universe doesnt care what i think (i know it doesnt), science has been for a long time, based off people trying to prove their ideas. i dont think the universe has infinite matter, and would test that if i could. but i have no idea how to.

but if it is finite, does the universe bending back on itself seem like a rational explanation, to you personally?

setting aside how the universe doesnt care what i think (i know it doesnt), science has been for a long time, based off people trying to prove their ideas. i dont think the universe has infinite matter, and would test that if i could. but i have no idea how to.

Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is".

but if it is finite, does the universe bending back on itself seem like a rational explanation, to you personally?

Yes.

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 07:12:03 PM

setting aside how the universe doesnt care what i think (i know it doesnt), science has been for a long time, based off people trying to prove their ideas. i dont think the universe has infinite matter, and would test that if i could. but i have no idea how to.

Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is".

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 07:12:03 PM

but if it is finite, does the universe bending back on itself seem like a rational explanation, to you personally?

Yes.

i have just always been brought up to believe that everything has limits and as such nothing can be truly infinite.
its just down to your personal belief at this point, as to wether universe is finite or infinite, because there is no experiments or observations thus far that will prove either way. which side are you on? or do you just enjoy questioning my motives

i have just always been brought up to believe that everything has limits and as such nothing can be truly infinite.
its just down to your personal belief at this point, as to wether universe is finite or infinite, because there is no experiments or observations thus far that will prove either way. which side are you on? or do you just enjoy questioning my motives

I am on neither side because it is an untestable property. It's also largely irrelevant to me what shape the Universe takes.

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 07:26:40 PM

i have just always been brought up to believe that everything has limits and as such nothing can be truly infinite.
its just down to your personal belief at this point, as to wether universe is finite or infinite, because there is no experiments or observations thus far that will prove either way. which side are you on? or do you just enjoy questioning my motives

I am on neither side because it is an untestable property. It's also largely irrelevant to me what shape the Universe takes.

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMR53T1VED_index_0_iv.html
ok, fair enough *abandoning this line of conversation to find something better to do*

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMR53T1VED_index_0_iv.html
ok, fair enough *abandoning this line of conversation to find something better to do*

Nothing in that interview is unfamiliar to me, except the concept of a Universe being like a torus.

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 07:30:12 PM

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMR53T1VED_index_0_iv.html
ok, fair enough *abandoning this line of conversation to find something better to do*

Nothing in that interview is unfamiliar to me, except the concept of a Universe being like a torus.

ok then, just found it and thought it may have been relevant at the time. also my point in posting it was that they seemed to have some ideas on how to test it

ok then, just found it and thought it may have been relevant at the time. also my point in posting it was that they seemed to have some ideas on how to test it

No matter how we try to test it, we can only observe the part of the Universe we live in due to the basic limitation of the speed of light. We cannot ever know what happens outside this region, and therefore can never be sure (or even reasonably certain) of the true nature of the Universe.

Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is".

But Robosteve that is how you figure the whole FE Theory.

Quote from: Robosteve on April 17, 2009, 07:15:02 PM

Usually these ideas have some basis other than "I just think that's how it is".

But Robosteve that is how you figure the whole FE Theory.

The way I see it is, Earth looks flat.  Why wouldn't I require extraordinarily compelling evidence to be convinced otherwise?  My opinion on the matter is clearly more grounded in the reality of everyday experience than yours.

But Robosteve that is how you figure the whole FE Theory.

No, FET can be deduced from looking at the Earth and noting that it appears flat.

Have you ever traveled by Plane RtT?

You need to spread your wings get off the ground and see the world.

Have you ever traveled by Plane RtT?

What does that have to do with anything? I have travelled by aeroplane many times, and the Earth still appears flat at altitude.

Have you ever traveled by Plane RtT?

Yes.  The terrain stretched out below me was blissfully flat.

Quote from: 12345SA on April 17, 2009, 08:42:01 PM

But Robosteve that is how you figure the whole FE Theory.

No, FET can be deduced from looking at the Earth and noting that it appears flat.

while the simplest explanations for RE such as ships seeming to sink over the horizon, the sun rise/set etc are easily observable, while FE comes up with a more complicated bending light and such. the simplest explanations for manythings are in RE while much of FE relies on complicated ones

while the simplest explanations for RE such as ships seeming to sink over the horizon, the sun rise/set etc are easily observable, while FE comes up with a more complicated bending light and such. the simplest explanations for manythings are in RE while much of FE relies on complicated ones

Why is bending light any more complicated than a curved Earth?

Quote from: lupey on April 17, 2009, 08:58:01 PM

while the simplest explanations for RE such as ships seeming to sink over the horizon, the sun rise/set etc are easily observable, while FE comes up with a more complicated bending light and such. the simplest explanations for manythings are in RE while much of FE relies on complicated ones

Why is bending light any more complicated than a curved Earth?

because every other planet and star in the galaxy is a ball aswell. earth is not, and should not be seen as, special