"Flat Earth" Facts Contradict One Another

Please read my previous post slowly: the source can make your argument less compelling, but that is irrelevant.

the numbers were gathered through methods other than a very long tape measure.

RE'ers claim to know the diameter of the earth, but nobody has dug a tunnel to measure it.

the numbers were gathered through methods other than a very long tape measure.

RE'ers claim to know the diameter of the earth, but nobody has dug a tunnel to measure it.

You don't need to dig a tunnel to figure out the diameter of the Earth.  If you know the circumference of the Earth then you could figure out the diameter.

The average circumference of the Earth is 40,041.47 KM, then you take that and add it to this equation.

C=pi*d

40,041.47=3.14159265*d
d=40,041.47/3.14159265
d=12,745.59577

Now I'm trying this new psychic thing out and I'm imagining someone asking, "How do you figure out the circumference of the Earth?".

I could be wrong though, I'm a beginner.

you know one thing ive noticed with almost all of these FET theories? they lack any substantial evidence to back them up, yet RET has so many simple ways of proving it, such as flight times, the sunset and the boat explanations. all FET does is give a continually disproven idea and gives it new explanations to account for simple RET concepts.
you say its a conspiracy for money even though im sure everyone here has been on a boat, or a plane, or seen a boat leaving port, and will notice the last thing you see of a boat is the mast, and first thing you see when heading towards land on a boat is the highest buildings in the area, and that a flat earth simply can not procude the flight times we get, or why we get the boat/tallest object effects


ps; why do any RET'ers even bother here? its obvious that FET's are all idiots or trolls. the later being the site creatores, and the former being those who were suckered in by the trolls.

Of course we've seen the Ice Wall to answer the fifth question; there's no doubt it exists. 

RtT Please cite the Doc's that prove this. Pic's would be even better.

On another note...

I am a sailor who has sailed many long distance races and have friends who have circumnavigated the earth non stop. Some even worked on the Shore Crew for the gentleman who sailed (and was tracked) non stop around Antarctica so I have a hard time believing random FE theories that contradict the past 30+ years of Yacht races around the world. One fact that holds true for all the Yachts that have gone around the World is the farther South they go daring to sail close to Icebergs the faster the can get around the world. How is this possible where by your accounts RE "South" is actually the outer limits of the FE "Plate" near the Ice Wall. Is there an Anomaly that allows objects on the edges of the FE World to travel at accelerated speeds, beyond what the stronger winds can account for, while the person and instruments on said boat are oblivious?

Curious as to how FE can account for this.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 06, 2009, 10:36:29 AM

Of course we've seen the Ice Wall to answer the fifth question; there's no doubt it exists. 

RtT Please cite the Doc's that prove this.

I have to provide documents to prove that people have visited Antarctica?

Pic's would be even better.

Try a google image search for "Antarctica".

Roundy I love your new avatar!

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 10:59:30 AM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 06, 2009, 10:36:29 AM

Of course we've seen the Ice Wall to answer the fifth question; there's no doubt it exists. 

RtT Please cite the Doc's that prove this.

I have to provide documents to prove that people have visited Antarctica?

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Pic's would be even better.

Try a google image search for "Antarctica".

Come on RtT that was weak, we know Antarctica is there, there have been many expeditions, some even across it and plenty of Circumnavigations etc... So I feel the onus is on you to show that there is a wall, you have stated you do have pictures.

Secondly please indulge me and address my other question regarding the fact that the Farther RE "South" you go towards Antarctica the faster a Circumnavigation of the Earth can be attained. Which is in serious opposition to your "theory" that Antarctica is the beginning of the Ice Wall therefor at the outermost reaches of the FE "Plate".

I am always willing to read and be enlightened but until someone can adequately refute the data of many Sailors who have single handed or fully crewed non stop around the world I can not accept the FE "Plate" theory as it would take exponentially longer to get around the world than it does. Current record 59 Days via a Trimaran from France to France passing all Capes to Port.

Come on RtT that was weak, we know Antarctica is there, there have been many expeditions, some even across it and plenty of Circumnavigations etc... So I feel the onus is on you to show that there is a wall, you have stated you do have pictures.

It's not literally a wall, except in the sense that it's a barrier that goes around the entire Earth; what kind of photographic evidence do you expect me to provide to prove that?  I have some pictures of the ice shelves in photobucket that look like a wall, if that's what you're asking for.  I don't see how it would prove anything though.

Roundy I love your new avatar!

It's awesome isn't it? 

Three links to Web showing Non Stop Circumnavigation of the World.
www.trimaran-idec.com
www.barcelonaworldrace.org/en
www.vendeeglobe.org/en/

This one is a Circumnavigation of Antarctica from Australia to Australia.
www.antarcticacup.com/x_HOME.CFM

Multiple stops.
www.volvooceanrace.org
www.portimaoglobaloceanrace.com

No I have not participated in these races but do have friends who have. it is a Short List of Round the World Races that have occurred over the past few years showing circumnavigation of the World.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 12:17:43 PM

It's not literally a wall, except in the sense that it's a barrier that goes around the entire Earth; what kind of photographic evidence do you expect me to provide to prove that?  I have some pictures of the ice shelves in photobucket that look like a wall, if that's what you're asking for.  I don't see how it would prove anything though.

Once again, Blind Faith and falling back on the adage of I can't prove it but we "know" it there. hmm

lolwut?

Which is it and Ice Wall or a Force Field?

lolwut?

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 12:20:12 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 12:17:43 PM

It's not literally a wall, except in the sense that it's a barrier that goes around the entire Earth; what kind of photographic evidence do you expect me to provide to prove that?  I have some pictures of the ice shelves in photobucket that look like a wall, if that's what you're asking for.  I don't see how it would prove anything though.

Once again, Blind Faith and falling back on the adage of I can't prove it but we "know" it there. hmm

lolwut?

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 12:34:40 PM

Which is it and Ice Wall or a Force Field?

lolwut?

lolwut? Why are you laughing. In two separate posts in this very thread you have stated both that "we've seen the Ice Wall" and that there is not "literally a Wall". You can't have it both ways my friend.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 12:41:24 PM

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 12:20:12 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 12:17:43 PM

It's not literally a wall, except in the sense that it's a barrier that goes around the entire Earth; what kind of photographic evidence do you expect me to provide to prove that?  I have some pictures of the ice shelves in photobucket that look like a wall, if that's what you're asking for.  I don't see how it would prove anything though.

Once again, Blind Faith and falling back on the adage of I can't prove it but we "know" it there. hmm

lolwut?

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 12:34:40 PM

Which is it and Ice Wall or a Force Field?

lolwut?

lolwut? Why are you laughing. In two separate posts in this very thread you have stated both that "we've seen the Ice Wall" and that there is not "literally a Wall". You can't have it both ways my friend.

Why not?  It's literally a wall in the sense that it's a barrier.  It's not literally a wall in the sense you seem to be looking for, as in a tall structure perpendicular to the ground with flat sides.  I was just trying to clarify that since you seemed to be having trouble understanding what we mean when we refer to it as the Ice Wall.

We've seen the Ice Wall, as in the barrier that holds in the oceans.  It's not literally a wall in the sense you seemed to have been intending.  Do you see now how I can have it both ways?

All right then if, as you say, "We've seen the Ice Wall" then please post an image of the "end/Edge of the Earth". That would be far more spectacular than any old Google Image search of Antarctica.

Now that that debate has been cleared up care to address the question I posed earlier regarding the Numerous well documented Circumnavigations of the World and Antarctica via Sailboat?

All right then if, as you say, "We've seen the Ice Wall" then please post an image of the "end/Edge of the Earth". That would be far more spectacular than any old Google Image search of Antarctica.

We don't have any pictures of the "edge of the Earth".  None of us have seen it, and if anybody has made the treacherous journey out that far into the Ice Wall and survived they have obviously not said anything.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 01:46:47 PM

We don't have any pictures of the "edge of the Earth".  None of us have seen it, and if anybody has made the treacherous journey out that far into the Ice Wall and survived they have obviously not said anything.

Oh. So how do you know it's there?

Well, we don't.  While many of us think it's unlikely that the surface of the Earth is infinite, we don't completely disregard the possibility, and in fact many FE theorists believe this is the case.

Quote from: conanna on April 16, 2009, 01:50:57 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 01:46:47 PM

We don't have any pictures of the "edge of the Earth".  None of us have seen it, and if anybody has made the treacherous journey out that far into the Ice Wall and survived they have obviously not said anything.

Oh. So how do you know it's there?

Well, we don't.  While many of us think it's unlikely that the surface of the Earth is infinite, we don't completely disregard the possibility, and in fact many FE theorists believe this is the case.

But wait... you said "We've Seen it" earlier in the thread... 

Again... My question about Circumnavigation or the Antarctic Peninsula. How do the FE's account for documented voyages around it?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 01:53:26 PM

Quote from: conanna on April 16, 2009, 01:50:57 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 01:46:47 PM

We don't have any pictures of the "edge of the Earth".  None of us have seen it, and if anybody has made the treacherous journey out that far into the Ice Wall and survived they have obviously not said anything.

Oh. So how do you know it's there?

Well, we don't.  While many of us think it's unlikely that the surface of the Earth is infinite, we don't completely disregard the possibility, and in fact many FE theorists believe this is the case.

So why say there's an ice wall in the FAQ if you don't know it's there?

Are there any other things you don't know that we can put in the FAQ?

We do know there's an Ice Wall.  WTF are you talking about? 

We do know there's an Ice Wall.  WTF are you talking about? 

How do you know this?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 02:05:35 PM

Quote from: conanna on April 16, 2009, 01:58:59 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 01:53:26 PM

Quote from: conanna on April 16, 2009, 01:50:57 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 01:46:47 PM

We don't have any pictures of the "edge of the Earth".  None of us have seen it, and if anybody has made the treacherous journey out that far into the Ice Wall and survived they have obviously not said anything.

Oh. So how do you know it's there?

Well, we don't.  While many of us think it's unlikely that the surface of the Earth is infinite, we don't completely disregard the possibility, and in fact many FE theorists believe this is the case.

So why say there's an ice wall in the FAQ if you don't know it's there?

Are there any other things you don't know that we can put in the FAQ?

We do know there's an Ice Wall.  WTF are you talking about? 

Please don't be rude or I'll report you and you'll be banned.

You say there's an ice wall at the edge of the earth. But noone has seen it. Or they have. But they never came back. Or spoke about it....

There is an Ice Wall around the edge of the known Earth, and many people have seen it.  We've just never seen the edge of the Earth.  You do realize you're talking about two different things, right?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 02:12:47 PM

There is an Ice Wall around the edge of the known Earth, and many people have seen it.  We've just never seen the edge of the Earth.  You do realize you're talking about two different things, right?

I see. So how do you know there's an edge?

Look back a few posts where I explain that we don't.  We just figure there probably is one since there not being one would suggest an infinite amount of matter in the universe, which strikes some of us (me, for example) as absurd.  The finite FE model is more in tune with modern physics than the infinite model, so that's the one that predominates in the FAQ (which is really more of a starting point than anything else; it's there to answer the most frequently asked questions someone new to the site might ask, but there's no way we could have included every nuance of the theory and its various models in it).

Do you think it's plausible that there's an infinite amount of matter in the universe?

Look back a few posts where I explain that we don't.  We just figure there probably is one since there not being one would suggest an infinite amount of matter in the universe, which strikes some of us (me, for example) as absurd.  The finite FE model is more in tune with modern physics than the infinite model, so that's the one that predominates in the FAQ (which is really more of a starting point than anything else; it's there to answer the most frequently asked questions someone new to the site might ask, but there's no way we could have included every nuance of the theory and its various models in it).

Do you think it's plausible that there's an infinite amount of matter in the universe?

Shouldn't we be able to see this ice wall from any point of the outer boundaries of the land we occupy?

I find it plausible for there to be infinite space in the universe...not matter. (That's my opinion)

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 02:30:52 PM

Look back a few posts where I explain that we don't.

So why say there's an edge if you've got no evidence whatsoever that there is one? Not very scientific is it?

I believe I explained that adequately.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 02:30:52 PM

Look back a few posts where I explain that we don't.  We just figure there probably is one since there not being one would suggest an infinite amount of matter in the universe, which strikes some of us (me, for example) as absurd.  The finite FE model is more in tune with modern physics than the infinite model, so that's the one that predominates in the FAQ (which is really more of a starting point than anything else; it's there to answer the most frequently asked questions someone new to the site might ask, but there's no way we could have included every nuance of the theory and its various models in it).

Do you think it's plausible that there's an infinite amount of matter in the universe?

Shouldn't we be able to see this ice wall from any point of the outer boundaries of the land we occupy?

I find it plausible for there to be infinite space in the universe...not matter. (That's my opinion)

There is a dangerous tendency to mask ignorance and claim one understands a subject without context, real knowledge or relevant literature and only extreme prejudice to back up spurious claims.

There is a dangerous tendency to mask ignorance and claim one understands a subject without context, real knowledge or relevant literature and only extreme prejudice to back up spurious claims.

Yes, most of the REers who have posted here seem to believe themselves masters of that practice.

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 02:55:25 PM

There is a dangerous tendency to mask ignorance and claim one understands a subject without context, real knowledge or relevant literature and only extreme prejudice to back up spurious claims.

Yes, most of the REers who have posted here seem to believe themselves masters of that practice.

Where as all of the FE's are masters of the Practice. When Scientific proof is offered to a FE it is often dismissed as "Did you write this? No, then how do you know it's true?" or it is dismissed with Fuzzy Math and Fairy Dust as they avoid answering the question by posting another or quoting out of context to suit their purpose.

So RtT... care to comment on my question posed to you a few times already in this thread regarding the Circumnavigation of Antarctica?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 02:57:32 PM

Quote from: 12345SA on April 16, 2009, 02:55:25 PM

There is a dangerous tendency to mask ignorance and claim one understands a subject without context, real knowledge or relevant literature and only extreme prejudice to back up spurious claims.

Yes, most of the REers who have posted here seem to believe themselves masters of that practice.

Where as all of the FE's are masters of the Practice. When Scientific proof is offered to a FE it is often dismissed as "Did you write this? No, then how do you know it's true?" or it is dismissed with Fuzzy Math and Fairy Dust as they avoid answering the question by posting another or quoting out of context to suit their purpose.

That might be true, if only there was actually some scientific proof ever offered that the Earth is round.

Quote from: conanna on April 16, 2009, 02:20:17 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 02:12:47 PM

There is an Ice Wall around the edge of the known Earth, and many people have seen it.  We've just never seen the edge of the Earth.  You do realize you're talking about two different things, right?

I see. So how do you know there's an edge?

Look back a few posts where I explain that we don't.  We just figure there probably is one since there not being one would suggest an infinite amount of matter in the universe, which strikes some of us (me, for example) as absurd.  The finite FE model is more in tune with modern physics than the infinite model, so that's the one that predominates in the FAQ (which is really more of a starting point than anything else; it's there to answer the most frequently asked questions someone new to the site might ask, but there's no way we could have included every nuance of the theory and its various models in it).

Do you think it's plausible that there's an infinite amount of matter in the universe?

If the universe is infinite, there may be infinite of matter also.
And infinite of Roundy's...Tom Bishop's..and...Robosteve's..
Oh dear...well let's hope not! 

That might be true, if only there was actually some scientific proof ever offered that the Earth is round.

There is, but it is available only in real life, outside of this forum.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 16, 2009, 03:07:02 PM

That might be true, if only there was actually some scientific proof ever offered that the Earth is round.

There is, but it is available only in real life, outside of this forum.

There is a load of scientific, mathematical, logical, photographic proof (or is it Lies by the ruling elite) for a RE Proof yet only fuzzy math, faulty/circular logic, and ancient text to prove FE. Perhaps it is the Overwhelming Scientific "Proof" of a RE that is "Proof" against the validity of such claims because there is far to much of it?