An astronomy picture taken from a common camera

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An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« on: March 14, 2009, 07:16:32 AM »
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap090314.html

Just wanted to see your explanation to this effect, since that wouldn't be possible if the earth was flat regarding to your FAQ.

If you don't have a decent explanation please refrain from replying, I don't wanna see any more "zomg fake" which seems to be a trend here.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 08:03:11 AM »
Wait for the "celestial gears" answer...

Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 08:46:57 AM »
Wait for the "celestial gears" answer...
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 09:08:29 AM »
That is clearly a pic from the bridge of a ship jumping to warp speed.  The real question is why do you have a building and trees on the bridge of your ship?

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2009, 09:15:02 AM »
That is clearly a pic from the bridge of a ship jumping to warp speed.  The real question is why do you have a building and trees on the bridge of your ship?

It's part of the genesis project. One of the worldseed ships. Merchant class.

Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2009, 09:44:44 AM »
That is clearly a pic from the bridge of a ship jumping to warp speed.  The real question is why do you have a building and trees on the bridge of your ship?

It's part of the genesis project. One of the worldseed ships. Merchant class.
No way! All worldseed ships are at least Colony class.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 10:13:21 AM »
That is clearly a pic from the bridge of a ship jumping to warp speed.  The real question is why do you have a building and trees on the bridge of your ship?

It's part of the genesis project. One of the worldseed ships. Merchant class.
No way! All worldseed ships are at least Colony class.

Maybe. I'm only guessing its merchant class because it looks like there are hydropods in the picture.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 08:26:22 AM »
According to Tom Bishop (read his other posts) this can be attributed to the celestial gears.

He will then go on to say that the stars above the southern "hemidisc" (hemisphere) rotate in the opposite direction to those in the north.

He will not understand that the pic above does not show the stars rotating in the opposite direction, but rather the stars are rotating about 2 seperate fixed points in space. (directly above the north and south pole)

Explain that one Tom
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RAFboiMF

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 08:30:21 AM »
For reference:

Actually the stars rotate in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemidisk. Gear systems, remember?

Obtained from this forum and page:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=26592.60
4th post from the bottom of the page
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 08:31:24 AM »
Debate aside...that is a pretty kool pic ~!
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 10:53:14 AM »
Interesting how no FE'er has commented on this yet......

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 11:01:42 AM »
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070828.html

It seems from this faked photo, mars has a concave surface.

Still that's photography.
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 11:59:39 AM »
Interesting how no FE'er has commented on this yet......

There's nothing to comment on. The Earth is round and they know it. Besides, this forum is dying and the trolls are going elsewhere for their fun.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2009, 12:01:51 PM by BanthaPoodoo »

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 01:38:16 PM »
Interesting how no FE'er has commented on this yet......

There's nothing to comment on. The Earth is round and they know it. Besides, this forum is dying and the trolls are going elsewhere for their fun.
Dying?  I don't think so.  Contrary to popular belief, this forum isn't just one big gathering place for trolls.  Personally, I enjoy the people and discussions I have here.  There are a good number of trolls yes, but most of the people who post here frequently are not.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 04:56:58 AM »
Interesting how no FE'er has commented on this yet......

There's nothing to comment on. The Earth is round and they know it. Besides, this forum is dying and the trolls are going elsewhere for their fun.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 05:23:10 AM »
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070828.html

It seems from this faked photo, mars has a concave surface.

Still that's photography.
Interesting no round marser has commented on this yet.
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2009, 07:26:46 AM »
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Interesting no round marser has commented on this yet.

It's probably due to the combination of the image being distorted, as it's a section out of a panoramic view, and the lander being tilted slightly due to it landing on a rock.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 09:15:28 AM »
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Interesting no round marser has commented on this yet.

It's probably due to the combination of the image being distorted, as it's a section out of a panoramic view, and the lander being tilted slightly due to it landing on a rock.
Thank you, Are you saying N.A.S.A. photo's can't be trusted?
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2009, 09:32:44 AM »
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Thank you, Are you saying N.A.S.A. photo's can't be trusted?

No, just that you should remember that a 2D sheet is not going to be able to perfectly represent the inside surface of a sphere. If an image is taken in such a way that distortions are going to be present, you should factor in those distortions when looking in at what it shows.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2009, 10:06:39 AM »
Time to improve the content to spam ratio of this thread.

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As any amateur astronomer knows, the stars orbit the South Celestial Poles in the opposite direction to that in which they orbit the North Celestial Pole. The only way that this is possible in FET is if there is some line where the stars converge and then subsequently diverge, which happens to be the Celestial Equator.

Now, there are three major landmasses in the southern hemiplane, and each sees the same constellations. Therefore, there must be at least three South Celestial Poles, each with its own (identical) set of stars, plus a single North Celestial Pole in the centre. This idea is best imagined as a set of "celestial gears" - but try not to take the analogy too far; there is no evidence that the stars are etched onto anything solid that may be termed a "gear".

What you are seeing in that image is merely the point where two of these gears join on the Celestial Equator; on one side, you have the counterclockwise-rotating North Celestial Gear, and on the other you have one of the clockwise-rotating South Celestial Gears. A perfect explanation for why the stars appear to diverge on either end of the photograph.

Now, let us consider the alternative theory. The heavens, according to RET, appear to rotate above us as if a large imaginary sphere - though of course, Round Earthers attribute this bizarre behaviour to the Earth's rotation. This should cause each star to trace out a line of celestial latitude, which - and this is the key part - should be parallel to every other line of celestial latitude. If RET were correct, there would be no divergence in this photograph; all of the lines would be parallel.

The photograph given is clear evidence for a Flat Earth.
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Obamabam

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2009, 10:17:19 AM »
Now, let us consider the alternative theory. The heavens, according to RET, appear to rotate above us as if a large imaginary sphere - though of course, Round Earthers attribute this bizarre behaviour to the Earth's rotation. This should cause each star to trace out a line of celestial latitude, which - and this is the key part - should be parallel to every other line of celestial latitude. If RET were correct, there would be no divergence in this photograph; all of the lines would be parallel.

The photograph given is clear evidence for a Flat Earth.

Wrong. The picture was taken in Haute Provence, France. Is that where the celestial gears join? Or maybe the celestial gears join at every other point where star trail photos were taken. Hmm. Lots of gears.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2009, 10:51:00 AM »
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Now, let us consider the alternative theory. The heavens, according to RET, appear to rotate above us as if a large imaginary sphere - though of course, Round Earthers attribute this bizarre behaviour to the Earth's rotation. This should cause each star to trace out a line of celestial latitude, which - and this is the key part - should be parallel to every other line of celestial latitude. If RET were correct, there would be no divergence in this photograph; all of the lines would be parallel.

You're looking at a flat representation of what is essentially a curved surface. There's going to be distortions.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2009, 10:51:45 AM »
Wrong. The picture was taken in Haute Provence, France. Is that where the celestial gears join? Or maybe the celestial gears join at every other point where star trail photos were taken. Hmm. Lots of gears.

The camera angle is not directly upward; it is directed at the sort of angle you would expect to find the Celestial Equator from France.

You still have not provided an explanation for this photograph using RET.
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2009, 10:53:17 AM »
You're looking at a flat representation of what is essentially a curved surface. There's going to be distortions.

Here's a new one. The heavens are a "curved surface" in RET, eh?
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2009, 11:03:59 AM »
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Here's a new one. The heavens are a "curved surface" in RET, eh?

The heavens are not a curved surface, but they behave similarly enough to be modelled as one in certain situations such as when observing them at this level of detail from Earth. The photo represents what one would expect from a 2D representation of the sky.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2009, 11:09:46 AM »
The heavens are not a curved surface, but they behave similarly enough to be modelled as one in certain situations such as when observing them at this level of detail from Earth. The photo represents what one would expect from a 2D representation of the sky.

But not from a photograph of parallel lines.
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2009, 11:13:00 AM »
This should cause each star to trace out a line of celestial latitude, which - and this is the key part - should be parallel to every other line of celestial latitude concentric to the celestial poles.

Please don't confuse parallel lines with concentric circles.  They are similar concepts, but look much different.
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2009, 11:14:15 AM »
Please don't confuse parallel lines with concentric circles.  They are similar concepts, but look much different.

My mistake. They are all sections of parallel planes.
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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2009, 11:15:41 AM »
Robosteve all you are doing is making up stuff and misinturpurtating the facts for a FET, that's all you and your FE friends do.

Please be more open minded and learn fact from delusion.

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Re: An astronomy picture taken from a common camera
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2009, 11:19:21 AM »
Robosteve all you are doing is making up stuff and misinturpurtating the facts for a FET, that's all you and your FE friends do.

Please be more open minded and learn fact from delusion.

Sure, I'm going to listen to the guy with 230 posts. ::)
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