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If I have a choice and I want to believe something I will pick personal experiences over what I read on a wiki or other website any day of the week.

The funny thing is that this is exactly the same sentiment that the FE'ers get riddiculed for all the time!

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If I have a choice and I want to believe something I will pick personal experiences over what I read on a wiki or other website any day of the week.

The funny thing is that this is exactly the same sentiment that the FE'ers get riddiculed for all the time!

Touché

Why dont you go back to the original point about spherical geometry and how that if you have 3 people standing in a triangle formation on the surface (at the same height above sea level) the angles between them will be more than 180.

Why dont you go back to the original point about spherical geometry and how that if you have 3 people standing in a triangle formation on the surface (at the same height above sea level) the angles between them will be more than 180.

I think the most reasonable FE response would be: go ahead and try it -- you'll find that the angles will sum to exactly 180 degrees, within experimental error.

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Why dont you go back to the original point about spherical geometry and how that if you have 3 people standing in a triangle formation on the surface (at the same height above sea level) the angles between them will be more than 180.

I think the most reasonable FE response would be: go ahead and try it -- you'll find that the angles will sum to exactly 180 degrees, within experimental error.

Not if you had one person in australia, one in africa and one in hawai'i. There would be a considerable deviation from the expected 180 value.

Not if you had one person in australia, one in africa and one in hawai'i. There would be a considerable deviation from the expected 180 value.

No, say the FEers -- even then you would have the expected Euclidean sum.

Anyway, aks the FEers, how exactly are the people in Africa, Hawai'i, and Australia going to measure the angles to one another?

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Not if you had one person in australia, one in africa and one in hawai'i. There would be a considerable deviation from the expected 180 value.

No, say the FEers -- even then you would have the expected Euclidean sum.

Anyway, aks the FEers, how exactly are the people in Africa, Hawai'i, and Australia going to measure the angles to one another?

on a flat earth thats actually quite easy.. since they will all be in LOS with eacfh other (provided they are high enough)

on a flat earth thats actually quite easy.. since they will all be in LOS with eacfh other (provided they are high enough)

I thought you were talking about what would happen on a round Earth.

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on a flat earth thats actually quite easy.. since they will all be in LOS with eacfh other (provided they are high enough)

I thought you were talking about what would happen on a round Earth.

Well this experiment can be done on a FE but cannot be done on a RE, so why not try it out to proove your theory once and for all. if you can manage to do it using LOS techniques and get an answer of exactly 180 degrees you may convert some people

Well this experiment can be done on a FE but cannot be done on a RE, so why not try it out to proove your theory once and for all. if you can manage to do it using LOS techniques and get an answer of exactly 180 degrees you may convert some people

Thanks for the suggestion, but it's still pretty difficult.  The points in question are so far away that I think they would likely be too small to see and discern from the surrounding landscape with any accuracy.

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Well this experiment can be done on a FE but cannot be done on a RE, so why not try it out to proove your theory once and for all. if you can manage to do it using LOS techniques and get an answer of exactly 180 degrees you may convert some people

Thanks for the suggestion, but it's still pretty difficult.  The points in question are so far away that I think they would likely be too small to see and discern from the surrounding landscape with any accuracy.

Use lasers.. in the RE world scientists have managed to bounce lasers off the moon to measure the distance between the earth and the moon.. an experiment like this should be easy.

in the RE world scientists have managed to bounce lasers off the moon to measure the distance between the earth and the moon..

The moon is fairly big.  Also, I'm fairly certain that FEers don't believe that scientists have really done that, so they would have no reason to believe they could do a much more precise version of it.

Also, mostly we're interested in experiments that we can perform ourselves, with minimal equipment.

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in the RE world scientists have managed to bounce lasers off the moon to measure the distance between the earth and the moon..

The moon is fairly big.  Also, I'm fairly certain that FEers don't believe that scientists have really done that, so they would have no reason to believe they could do a much more precise version of it.

Also, mostly we're interested in experiments that we can perform ourselves, with minimal equipment.

Don't you mean not interested in experiments that would proove or disproove the theory once and for all?

I find it ridiculous how much FEers dismiss as conspiracy.. givernments.. air pilots... 'ice wall' patrol.. scientists... how many people AREN'T in on this conspiracy

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If I have a choice and I want to believe something I will pick personal experiences over what I read on a wiki or other website any day of the week.

The funny thing is that this is exactly the same sentiment that the FE'ers get riddiculed for all the time!

But the simple observation that you use to conclude that Earth is flat, it also appears that the Sun rises and falls, and that at some point, Earth is between the Sun and Moon, thus casting a shadow on the moon that can only seen by certain geographic points, and it appears that hulls of ships disappear first over the horizon.

Why is it that all of these must be optical illusions and not the other way around?

In other words (assuming that one of the two appearances is an illusion): If you see two things that appear one way, but their appearances contradict each other, how do you decide which is a false appearance and which is the true appearance?

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in the RE world scientists have managed to bounce lasers off the moon to measure the distance between the earth and the moon..

The moon is fairly big.  Also, I'm fairly certain that FEers don't believe that scientists have really done that, so they would have no reason to believe they could do a much more precise version of it.

Also, mostly we're interested in experiments that we can perform ourselves, with minimal equipment.

Don't you mean not interested in experiments that would proove or disproove the theory once and for all?

I find it ridiculous how much FEers dismiss as conspiracy.. givernments.. air pilots... 'ice wall' patrol.. scientists... how many people AREN'T in on this conspiracy

You speak as if this is a wide-spread conspiracy.  I find it more plausible that a secret society had enough influence/control was able to infiltrate our educational facilities with round Earth doctrine.  This means people grow to the idea (the only idea) that the Earth is round.  In sciences relating to astronomy and the studies of the Earth, they do everything with the mindset of a round Earth as a given.

For this, the conspiracy does not have to be nearly as widespread as the impression of this site often leaves.

The widespread belief then allows mass blind acceptance of the nature of Earth as we see on even cartoon shows for children.  They encounter shows depicting the Earth in space as a round planet and find globes in the store.  Before they are taught anything of this planet, they already know it is round.

In essence, we do not see lies; rather misinformation.

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in the RE world scientists have managed to bounce lasers off the moon to measure the distance between the earth and the moon..

The moon is fairly big.  Also, I'm fairly certain that FEers don't believe that scientists have really done that, so they would have no reason to believe they could do a much more precise version of it.

Also, mostly we're interested in experiments that we can perform ourselves, with minimal equipment.

Don't you mean not interested in experiments that would proove or disproove the theory once and for all?

I find it ridiculous how much FEers dismiss as conspiracy.. givernments.. air pilots... 'ice wall' patrol.. scientists... how many people AREN'T in on this conspiracy

You speak as if this is a wide-spread conspiracy.  I find it more plausible that a secret society had enough influence/control was able to infiltrate our educational facilities with round Earth doctrine.  This means people grow to the idea (the only idea) that the Earth is round.  In sciences relating to astronomy and the studies of the Earth, they do everything with the mindset of a round Earth as a given.

For this, the conspiracy does not have to be nearly as widespread as the impression of this site often leaves.

The widespread belief then allows mass blind acceptance of the nature of Earth as we see on even cartoon shows for children.  They encounter shows depicting the Earth in space as a round planet and find globes in the store.  Before they are taught anything of this planet, they already know it is round.

In essence, we do not see lies; rather misinformation.

actually in response to questions regarding air travel and how pilots circumnavigating the world would actually fly in a circle rather than a straight line would have to be constantly changing course replied by saying the pilots must be in on the conspiracy. Also, they have said how the ice wall is patrolled all the time by the government so that no one can verify its existance, a mammoth task for a 70,000 mile 'border', just how many people would need to be involved in gaurding that. And then there are scientists, whose experiments have shown that the earth is curved.. they must truly know the shape of the earth, and also the fake sdatellites and what not.. a LOT of people

you cant keep something like that a secret

actually in response to questions regarding air travel and how pilots circumnavigating the world would actually fly in a circle rather than a straight line would have to be constantly changing course replied by saying the pilots must be in on the conspiracy.

Pilots fly by a compass.  If they want to go west, they line up the compass so that they are facing that direction.  They are not actually changing course, they are keeping with a direction.