Evolution didn't happen

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1440 on: April 04, 2010, 03:48:04 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
You mistake the facts of evolution with the debate over mechanisms.


I See. How Come Can't Thee? by minorwork

Plants and animals and stuff in between
Have parents, at least it seems so to me.
The creatures are different, there are some that fly
And others that have no bones inside.
Inside the earth below
Are layers of long ago
Holders of remnants, simpler still
Than the ones above it on the hill
Let’s give it a name, a solution
One that’s called evolution
The lineage from the past seems clear
From things that are simple have come things complex
How did it happen? That’s what will perplex.



I've read half of your posts so far and both of them are just you copy pastaing other people's shit. If we wanted to read your garbage we'd google it ourselves. Also that poem is trash.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1441 on: April 04, 2010, 05:07:41 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species_%281859%29/Chapter_XIV

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1442 on: April 04, 2010, 07:54:40 PM »
I've read half of your posts so far and both of them are just you copy pastaing other people's shit. If we wanted to read your garbage we'd google it ourselves. Also that poem is trash.
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Finally, a critic that's not stroking me.  I'm well aware of the hack nature of my poetry.  Get tuff.

In my own words.  Again.  The facts of evolution result from observation.  The observations that all living things have parents.  Living things have different parts, attributes.  Examination of the geologic record reveals that the older, deeper fossils are simpler than those that are more recent.  

From those observations I deduce that from fins have come legs and that legs have become wings, arms, and hands.  

How all that occurred are the mechanisms that are so debated.  That is the difference between the facts of evolution  and the theories of mechanisms.

 
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1443 on: April 05, 2010, 11:58:38 AM »
I've read half of your posts so far and both of them are just you copy pastaing other people's shit. If we wanted to read your garbage we'd google it ourselves. Also that poem is trash.
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Finally, a critic that's not stroking me.  I'm well aware of the hack nature of my poetry.  Get tuff.

In my own words.  Again.  The facts of evolution result from observation.  The observations that all living things have parents.  Living things have different parts, attributes.  Examination of the geologic record reveals that the older, deeper fossils are simpler than those that are more recent.  

From those observations I deduce that from fins have come legs and that legs have become wings, arms, and hands.  

How all that occurred are the mechanisms that are so debated.  That is the difference between the facts of evolution  and the theories of mechanisms.

 


First of all I'd like you to define the term "simpler" as a term in biology. I've seen things appear more specialized, but that in no way means more complicated. Then you have organisms that are hardly specialized at all (i.e. yeast) that have some of the most complex dna possible surpassing even our own in amount of nucleic acids used to code it.

As for your other assertions, variances in the life on earth are poor proofs for evolution. Distribution of alleles within noncompetitive locci(sp?) compared to distribution of alleles in locci where there is a competitive advantage for one allele over another is a much better proof for natural selection. Most other forms of evolution are self evident (mutation, genetic drift, etc)

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1444 on: April 05, 2010, 03:41:42 PM »
First of all I'd like you to define the term "simpler" as a term in biology.
Ha.  I’d really like to comply.  I’ll try to be a bit more explicit in how I use the term then.     Prokaryotes are simpler than Eukaryotes simply (sic?) because the geologic record shows them existing billions of years BEFORE the Eukaryotes.  I’ll class them less organized, simpler, also because there is no nuclear membrane isolating the DNA from the rest of the cell.  Less organized, then, I’ll use synonymously with “simple.”  Single cells organized into multicellulars, then invertebrates, then vertebrates, etc.
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I've seen things appear more specialized, but that in no way means more complicated.
Seems that “simple” and “complex” can say just as much about the abilities of an observer as the thing observed.  I open my dated 8 year old Molecular Biology of the Cell and I am overwhelmed at the complexity.  I'll not be writing a better text I'm sure.  My own abilities determine what I judge to be complex or simple, though I am most open to suggestions as my understanding improves.
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Then you have organisms that are hardly specialized at all (i.e. yeast) that have some of the most complex dna possible surpassing even our own in amount of nucleic acids used to code it.
Though humans might have fewer genes, the protein coding genes can form different proteins.  I wonder if complexity instead should be related to the proteome, the number of proteins that are coded.  Hmm.  Genes code for proteins and it is proteins that build cells and bodies.     

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As for your other assertions, variances in the life on earth are poor proofs for evolution.
Good thing life’s diversity is not offered as proof.  I offer the three observations combined as the facts that evolution explains.  Creationism has its own explanation for the three observations.  God did it.  Cognitive scientists can deal with the solipsist explanation as the whole of history being generated by consciousness, but that is stretching my cognitive powers though it is my philosophical view when modified with panpsychism as it is compatible in my mind with emergent qualities from organization and complexities which I can deal with, at least until smoke comes out of my ears.
 
Young earth creationists deny the age presented in the geological record claiming a flood of, uh, biblical proportions can account for the geological record.  My point here is to show that even an observation/conclusion of the geological record can be denied in certain worldviews. I figure the evolutionary worldview will accomplish the most in the least amount of time in the effort to combat pain, suffering and early death.    Others figure the creationist view will prevail in the long run.  I just don’t know your worldview.  And I’m reluctantly glad of it.  You’ve forced me to study and refresh my info pool.
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Distribution of alleles within noncompetitive locci(sp?) compared to distribution of alleles in locci where there is a competitive advantage for one allele over another is a much better proof for natural selection. Most other forms of evolution are self evident (mutation, genetic drift, etc..)
I spell it loci but I’m not sure if that is technically the plural or not.  I’m as much an authority on it as a coal miner can be.   Maybe I’d bet a nickel on it.

I’m most fascinated by the recent field of epigenetics.  Appears to me that the environmental factors that can turn on or off the phenotypic expression of a heterozygous gene at a recessive allele’s locus is possibly where the competitive advantage plays itself out with natural selection in the time before sexual maturity or before procreation occurs.  The complicated part in sexual animals, humans in particular, is that the formation of the female human’s eggs while a foetus in the womb well before they have gone thru meiotic division (done after the sperm enters) is sensitive to the diet and other epigenetic influences from her mother’s diet and environment, whereas in men the sensitive time is a week or so before an insemination occurs, as the sperm develops undergoing meiotic division. At these times is when an offsprings DNA is formed that it can be acted on.  Once combined in fertilization the resultant zygote has the epigenetic factors of its own as well as the environment presented by the mother’s womb that will effect gene expression.  Much going on in epigenetics.  Much to think about philosophically about epigenetics with whether religion or science is the more capable to determine the significant epigenetic influences and have the standing to exert social pressure to effect positive epigenetic changes on the population.
Whew.  Maybe I should stick to coal mining or poetry. lol
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1445 on: April 06, 2010, 03:12:23 AM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species_%281859%29/Chapter_XIV

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one..."

You're quoting the first edition, I'm quoting the sixth.  Please don't undermine the author by quoting an obsolete edition of his work.  This is a typical Evolutionist tactic of deceit to trick people into believing their propaganda. 

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1446 on: April 07, 2010, 09:44:17 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species_%281859%29/Chapter_XIV

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one..."

You're quoting the first edition, I'm quoting the sixth.  Please don't undermine the author by quoting an obsolete edition of his work.  This is a typical Evolutionist tactic of deceit to trick people into believing their propaganda. 

Fuck you caught me
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1447 on: April 08, 2010, 12:48:58 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1448 on: April 08, 2010, 11:45:42 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?

The fact that so many people have fallen for it is proof of it's epic troll status.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1449 on: April 11, 2010, 04:02:06 PM »
Monogamous animals are proof evolution never happened.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1450 on: April 11, 2010, 04:42:39 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?

The fact that so many people have fallen for it is proof of it's epic troll status.
I meant the epic troll part.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1451 on: April 12, 2010, 06:30:33 AM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?

The fact that so many people have fallen for it is proof of it's epic troll status.
I meant the epic troll part.

So did I.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1452 on: April 12, 2010, 12:59:00 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?

The fact that so many people have fallen for it is proof of it's epic troll status.
I meant the epic troll part.

So did I.
Let me restate.
Do you have proof of the epic troll?
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1453 on: April 13, 2010, 03:11:31 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?

The fact that so many people have fallen for it is proof of it's epic troll status.
I meant the epic troll part.

So did I.
Let me restate.
Do you have proof of the epic troll?

No, do you have proof of evolution?  Maybe a Crock-a-duck?  Didn't think so.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1454 on: April 13, 2010, 03:14:13 PM »
Monogamous animals are proof evolution never happened.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1455 on: April 13, 2010, 03:16:43 PM »
Why is this thread still going?  Even Darwin, your savior of evolution, admitted that man was created by a divine being.  The last sentence of "The Origin of Species," begins "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms..."

It's well documented that "The Origin of Species" was one big troll and every evolutionist on the planet fell for it. 
Proof?

The fact that so many people have fallen for it is proof of it's epic troll status.
I meant the epic troll part.

So did I.
Let me restate.
Do you have proof of the epic troll?

No, do you have proof of evolution?  Maybe a Crock-a-duck?  Didn't think so.

Though, I don't see how that's relevant.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1456 on: April 14, 2010, 11:59:03 PM »


Best 'proof' for evolution I've ever seen.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1457 on: April 15, 2010, 07:07:50 AM »


Best 'proof' for evolution I've ever seen.
I didn't think that a crock-a-duck would prove anything, anyways.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1458 on: April 15, 2010, 09:49:55 AM »
Considering crocodiles and birds have the same unusual lung type, it's hard to say they are anything but close relatives.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1459 on: April 17, 2010, 02:36:17 PM »
Monogamous animals are proof evolution never happened.

No they aren't.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1460 on: April 17, 2010, 03:20:41 PM »
Considering crocodiles and birds have the same unusual lung type, it's hard to say they are anything but close relatives.
Please tie that to why the non-existence of crocoducks is support against evolution.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1461 on: April 17, 2010, 04:16:19 PM »
Considering crocodiles and birds have the same unusual lung type, it's hard to say they are anything but close relatives.
Please tie that to why the non-existence of crocoducks is support against evolution.

The existence of crocoducks is support against evolution.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1462 on: April 17, 2010, 05:21:13 PM »
Considering crocodiles and birds have the same unusual lung type, it's hard to say they are anything but close relatives.
Please tie that to why the non-existence of crocoducks is support against evolution.

The existence of crocoducks is support against evolution.
Good thing they don't exist then.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1463 on: April 18, 2010, 02:13:27 PM »
Considering crocodiles and birds have the same unusual lung type, it's hard to say they are anything but close relatives.
Please tie that to why the non-existence of crocoducks is support against evolution.
No.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1464 on: April 19, 2010, 03:21:05 AM »
So if evolution never happened, why no wheeled animals? I think that wheels would be quite useful for, say, a horse.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1465 on: April 19, 2010, 07:05:07 PM »
So if evolution never happened, why no wheeled animals? I think that wheels would be quite useful for, say, a horse.

Because jesus will not stand for that abomination.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1466 on: April 19, 2010, 08:19:27 PM »
So if evolution never happened, why no wheeled animals? I think that wheels would be quite useful for, say, a horse.
I am to lazy to figure out if you are just trolling or not so I will assume this is a serious question. do you have any idea how badly wheels work on anything except man made terrain? besides a couple of deserts there is no place wheels would be that useful and deserts don't stay put long enough for it to cause a completely new mode of transportation.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1467 on: April 20, 2010, 09:14:39 AM »
Not to mention the problems involved in transferring nutrients from a limb through a rotating axle. In a proper wheel the axle and the wheel need to be completely non connected.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1468 on: April 20, 2010, 10:20:24 AM »
Not to mention the problems involved in transferring nutrients from a limb through a rotating axle. In a proper wheel the axle and the wheel need to be completely non connected.

They could be wheels made from a different organic or non-organic substance, such as the elephants that wheel themselves on seedpods in the His Dark Materials trilogy.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1469 on: April 20, 2010, 10:48:13 AM »
Not to mention the problems involved in transferring nutrients from a limb through a rotating axle. In a proper wheel the axle and the wheel need to be completely non connected.

They could be wheels made from a different organic or non-organic substance, such as the elephants that wheel themselves on seedpods in the His Dark Materials trilogy.
The wheels could be grown like fingernails and broke off when a new one needed to be put on.  But wheels have no advantage and are at a disadvantage over all terrains when compared to the advantages of legs and feet, legs and hooves, or wings.
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