Evolution didn't happen

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 05:48:12 PM

dna does not mutate. absolutely nothing does. never will do. evolution/mutations are in the minds of men, and also children who watch things like the incredible hulk.

we are static or we get worse (devolution).

Do you know what mutate means?

Quote from: Raist on November 11, 2009, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 05:48:12 PM

dna does not mutate. absolutely nothing does. never will do. evolution/mutations are in the minds of men, and also children who watch things like the incredible hulk.

we are static or we get worse (devolution).

Do you know what mutate means?

If i got a knife and cut off my finger is that mutation?

answer is no. it's a loss of my parts. animals can loose things, but they suffer and loosing the things is harmful/threatens it's existance...

yea i know what mutate means...but evolutionists emply verbal tricknology. words have been altered. Just how micro-evolution was changed from simply 'variance'.

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

list your education you have and i will list mine

Quote from: Raist on November 11, 2009, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 05:48:12 PM

dna does not mutate. absolutely nothing does. never will do. evolution/mutations are in the minds of men, and also children who watch things like the incredible hulk.

we are static or we get worse (devolution).

Do you know what mutate means?

If i got a knife and cut off my finger is that mutation?

answer is no. it's a loss of my parts. animals can loose things, but they suffer and loosing the things is harmful/threatens it's existance...

yea i know what mutate means...but evolutionists emply verbal tricknology. words have been altered. Just how micro-evolution was changed from simply 'variance'.

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 06:05:01 PM

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

Viruses do mutate. Why do you think there is a different flu shot each year?

Quote from: Raist on November 11, 2009, 07:05:35 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 06:05:01 PM

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

Viruses do mutate. Why do you think there is a different flu shot each year?

Its an "adaptation" or a "behavioral change" obviously.   /sarcasm

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 07:07:59 PM

Quote from: Raist on November 11, 2009, 07:05:35 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 06:05:01 PM

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

Viruses do mutate. Why do you think there is a different flu shot each year?

Its an "adaptation" or a "behavioral change" obviously.   /sarcasm

Viruses have no behavior, it is a change of binding proteins on the virus. Which can only be changed by its DNA changing.

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 06:05:01 PM

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

So how do you explain bacteria suddenly gaining the ability to be resistant to antibiotics?  Or the ability to eat vinyl?  Or humans developing resistance to HIV, the ability to see into the ultraviolet spectrum, enhanced strength, or bones so strong they rival Bruce Willis's character in the movie Unbreakable.

In biology, a mutation is a randomly derived change to the nucleotide sequence of the genetic material of an organism.  What you see in the Incredible Hulk, or X-men, is not mutation, that is fantasy.

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on November 11, 2009, 04:48:13 PM

I didn't say that they were different species.  How do you explain the fact that there is a definite observed diversity of different species existing on the earth today?

all 'species'', better termed 'kinds' sprung from the same kinds but with a primordial set of genes. the diversity of animals kinds today is just this gene expression. nothing complicated to understand. only evolutionists complicate things. the ancestors of animals were their own kind ie ancestor of dog a dog, a man a man etc...no ''ape-men'' ''ape-fish'' etc.

theres no such thing a a mutation in natural world. there are however manmade mutations. pouring a chemical substance i.e over a cat etc. scientists do these mutations. but not natural world mutations.

Pathophysiology

The pathophysiology of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva is unknown. It is an inherited autosomal dominant disorder with complete penetration but variable gene expressivity. Findings suggest that fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva maps to band 4q27-31, a region that contains at least 1 gene involved in the bone morphogenic protein (BMP) signaling pathway.1 BMPs are members of the transforming growth factor-beta superfamily and play a role in the development of bone and other tissues.2 The condition is multifocal, starting to develop usually after traumatization. The genetic cause of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva lies within the ACVR1 gene, which encodes a type I BMP transmembrane receptor. A recurrent mutation in the BMP type I receptor ACVR1 causes inherited and sporadic fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva.3 In one study, it was mapped to 2q23-24 by linkage analysis.4

A number of mutations have been documented. A mutation of the noggin (NOG) gene in a fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva family has been described.5 The FOP gene in the 17q21-22 region had been observed with several mutations described in the NOG gene (located in 17q22) in 4 fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva patients, including the G91C mutation, which was transmitted dominantly in a Spanish fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva family. This mutation is a guanine to adenine change at nucleotide 283 (283G?>A) of the NOG gene and was transmitted by the affected mother to her 2 affected children. A novel mutation in the activin A type 1 receptor gene was described in one patient.6 Analysis showed that the patient was heterozygous for a mutation, G356D.7

Patients with fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva?like heterotopic ossification and/or toe malformations have been described in 2 categories: fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva?plus (classic defining features of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva plus one or more atypical features) and fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva variants (major variations in one or both of the 2 classic defining features of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva)8 While the typical mutation was found in all cases of classic fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva and most cases of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva?plus, novel ACVR1 mutations were identified in the fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva variants and some with fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva?plus.

Two unique mutations in the ACVR1 gene have also been identified in 2 fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva patients from the United Kingdom with some atypical digit abnormalities and other clinical features.9 The resultant mutations were interpreted to result in local structural changes in the ACVR1 protein, as revealed by interrogating homology models of the native and mutated ACVR1 kinase domains.

Jesus christ.

If I had that, I would have somebody shoot me.

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agg tgg gtt gct ggc cag ggg ccc agg ctt

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Quote from: Raist on November 11, 2009, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 11, 2009, 05:48:12 PM

dna does not mutate. absolutely nothing does. never will do. evolution/mutations are in the minds of men, and also children who watch things like the incredible hulk.

we are static or we get worse (devolution).

Do you know what mutate means?

If i got a knife and cut off my finger is that mutation?

answer is no. it's a loss of my parts. animals can loose things, but they suffer and loosing the things is harmful/threatens it's existance...

yea i know what mutate means...but evolutionists emply verbal tricknology. words have been altered. Just how micro-evolution was changed from simply 'variance'.

Virus/disease are germs that attack. yes, everyone knows this. disease though don't mutate. that's pseudo-science.

if virus mutated think about it...we would all be dead. for according to evolutionists humans are millions of years old (in different forms though) thats means a simple ''cough virus'' would by this time millions or hundreds of years later been so powerful it would kill in 1 second...yet what do we observe? that virus etc are still pretty weak and are cured by medicines.

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 11:49:23 PM

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Those pictures you pasted, those kids in them were born with it. not mutation.

same for down syndrome etc. You proved nothing.

Quote from: Nord on November 12, 2009, 01:20:22 PM

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 11:49:23 PM

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Those pictures you pasted, those kids in them were born with it. not mutation.

same for down syndrome etc. You proved nothing.

Yes, genetic disorders are something you are born with, the mutation occurs during transcription or cross over at gametogenesis, or when the gametes fuse and undergo genetic recombination across chromosomes. You are the only one who seems unaware of this fact.

I'll accept your concession now. I've shown the mutation, detailed EXACTLY which mutation it is, in which gene, in which chromosome, and how it changes the phenotype, and you respond to all my research and detailed explaining with a two sentence straw man. I win.

Quote from: Pete on November 12, 2009, 01:29:25 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 12, 2009, 01:20:22 PM

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 11:49:23 PM

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Those pictures you pasted, those kids in them were born with it. not mutation.

same for down syndrome etc. You proved nothing.

Yes, genetic disorders are something you are born with, the mutation occurs during transcription or cross over at gametogenesis, or when the gametes fuse and undergo genetic recombination across chromosomes. You are the only one who seems unaware of this fact.

I'll accept your concession now. I've shown the mutation, detailed EXACTLY which mutation it is, in which gene, in which chromosome, and how it changes the phenotype, and you respond to all my research and detailed explaining with a two sentence straw man. I win.

This is what troll wants as proof of mutation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMNT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_Avenger

He's being obtuse.

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 11:49:23 PM

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Those pictures you pasted, those kids in them were born with it. not mutation.

same for down syndrome etc. You proved nothing.

Quote from: Nord on November 12, 2009, 01:20:22 PM

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 11:49:23 PM

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Those pictures you pasted, those kids in them were born with it. not mutation.

same for down syndrome etc. You proved nothing.

Yes, genetic disorders are something you are born with, the mutation occurs during transcription or cross over at gametogenesis, or when the gametes fuse and undergo genetic recombination across chromosomes. You are the only one who seems unaware of this fact.

I'll accept your concession now. I've shown the mutation, detailed EXACTLY which mutation it is, in which gene, in which chromosome, and how it changes the phenotype, and you respond to all my research and detailed explaining with a two sentence straw man. I win.

Quote from: Pete on November 12, 2009, 01:29:25 PM

Quote from: Nord on November 12, 2009, 01:20:22 PM

Quote from: Pete on November 11, 2009, 11:49:23 PM

And now, lets get into exactly how this disease is genetic in nature, and Nord's claim that mutations don't exist are utter bull.  

Those pictures you pasted, those kids in them were born with it. not mutation.

same for down syndrome etc. You proved nothing.

Yes, genetic disorders are something you are born with, the mutation occurs during transcription or cross over at gametogenesis, or when the gametes fuse and undergo genetic recombination across chromosomes. You are the only one who seems unaware of this fact.

I'll accept your concession now. I've shown the mutation, detailed EXACTLY which mutation it is, in which gene, in which chromosome, and how it changes the phenotype, and you respond to all my research and detailed explaining with a two sentence straw man. I win.

You said you are born with those diseases but then contradict yourself by saying they mutate the phenotype.

the phenotype isn't mutated if you born already with the didease. the disease is passed down in the genetic material from the parents.no mutation.

and the fact you changed the topic to bacteria and disease mutations really says you fail at trying to prove human evolution. why is it evolutionists when they try and prove their theories never talk about man? only bacterias or dieases. the answer is because you know you have absolutely no evidence.

piltdown, java, nebraska man...these are your evidences? all were hoaxes.