Evolution didn't happen

Raist....you definitely had me going but now you are my new hero here. Seriously.

And douchebag:

"Evolution happens over millions of years, not hundreds. You're debating for the right side, but you're doing so against a troll and doing a remarkably poor job, too."

I don't particularyly know your true feelings on evolution but your statement is completely false. Viruses must always stay ahead of the evolution game. They are very, very good at this.

I was referring to evolution on a human scale, not to viruses. I pointed that out later.

Evolution occurs in millions of years, according to an organism's habitat. That's why humans do not differ much, since despite the different  habitat, we do not have time to evolve.

Of course, there are slight human evolution. For example, eskimos are hairier than those on the equator.

Evolution occurs in millions of years, according to an organism's habitat.

It's much more complicated than that. There are more factors than just the time that has passed which need to be taken into account - for instance, the main reasons humans no longer evolve are that we have frequent long-distance travel (which turns the whole world into a blend of different races) and our medical technology has allowed all but the harshest of diseases to be non-fatal. On the other hand, entire species have become extinct due to human activity in the past millenium, which is obviously a far smaller timescale than millions of years.

Quote from: shadae on June 14, 2009, 05:56:32 PM

Evolution occurs in millions of years, according to an organism's habitat.

It's much more complicated than that. There are more factors than just the time that has passed which need to be taken into account - for instance, the main reasons humans no longer evolve are that we have frequent long-distance travel (which turns the whole world into a blend of different races) and our medical technology has allowed all but the harshest of diseases to be non-fatal. On the other hand, entire species have become extinct due to human activity in the past millenium, which is obviously a far smaller timescale than millions of years.

Don't forget the fact that among humans, intelligence and survival skills no longer confer evolutionary advantages: the opposite is true. The white trash guy who has 12 kids because he doesn't know what condoms are (and is too drunk to care) spreads his genes much further than the Nobel Prize laureate who only has 2 kids.

Quote from: Robosteve on June 14, 2009, 06:07:30 PM

Quote from: shadae on June 14, 2009, 05:56:32 PM

Evolution occurs in millions of years, according to an organism's habitat.

It's much more complicated than that. There are more factors than just the time that has passed which need to be taken into account - for instance, the main reasons humans no longer evolve are that we have frequent long-distance travel (which turns the whole world into a blend of different races) and our medical technology has allowed all but the harshest of diseases to be non-fatal. On the other hand, entire species have become extinct due to human activity in the past millenium, which is obviously a far smaller timescale than millions of years.

Don't forget the fact that among humans, intelligence and survival skills no longer confer evolutionary advantages: the opposite is true. The white trash guy who has 12 kids because he doesn't know what condoms are (and is too drunk to care) spreads his genes much further than the Nobel Prize laureate who only has 2 kids.

I am going to be honest. That was depressing.

Quote from: Robosteve on June 14, 2009, 06:07:30 PM

Quote from: shadae on June 14, 2009, 05:56:32 PM

Evolution occurs in millions of years, according to an organism's habitat.

It's much more complicated than that. There are more factors than just the time that has passed which need to be taken into account - for instance, the main reasons humans no longer evolve are that we have frequent long-distance travel (which turns the whole world into a blend of different races) and our medical technology has allowed all but the harshest of diseases to be non-fatal. On the other hand, entire species have become extinct due to human activity in the past millenium, which is obviously a far smaller timescale than millions of years.

Don't forget the fact that among humans, intelligence and survival skills no longer confer evolutionary advantages: the opposite is true. The white trash guy who has 12 kids because he doesn't know what condoms are (and is too drunk to care) spreads his genes much further than the Nobel Prize laureate who only has 2 kids.

To be fair, life expectency is much lower among such demographics, so it probably balances out.

To be fair, life expectency is much lower among such demographics, so it probably balances out.

Apparently you've never been to Wal-Mart.

Quote from: NEEMAN on June 14, 2009, 08:47:29 PM

To be fair, life expectency is much lower among such demographics, so it probably balances out.

Apparently you've never been to Wal-Mart.

Parks, hotels and palaces, Europe Endless my friend.

I've read much on the modern evolution of homo sapiens and while yes, an uneducated alpha-male will on average be a more prolific breeder than an educated non-alpha, the average IQ of humanity is being raised each year due to better nutrition, education, and science; the kind of science that aids in development of children so that humanity can now rely on these factors to further our advancement rather than falling back on the traditional method of survival of the fittest; yet, it is interesting to note that humans still are very prone to evolutionary factors via sexual selection; the idea that an organism chooses its mate on the grounds of what is more sexually appealing rather than what is necessary the best fit to survive; a peacock is a prime example of sexual selection in action; though, where the example of a peacock differs is the fact that humans aid others; we keep our weak and sick from dying of factors that would normally kill someone working solely under a survival of the fittest model; arguably giving the chance for weaker, yet different, genes to thrive and further diverse the allele frequency of man; therefore, people are still very much under the influence of evolution whether they like it or not.



EDIT NOTE: That is the correct way to compose a one-sentence post with multiple topics.  Also, for my 666th post I would like to say, "Fuck God, that guy sucks balls."

But peacocks do use a barometer of health. Only a peacock that can find plenty of food and survive can make such plumage. If he was sick or just poorly suited to survival his body wouldn't be able to produce the plumage.

I'm not saying that peacocks evolved purely by means of sexual selection just as I'm not saying that humans have completely lost the survival of the fittest aspect of our evolution.  However, a peacock evolved that plumage over generations and generations of peahens picking the most attractive feathers.  Thus, their flamboyant appearance was determent by sexual selection.  Birds of paradise are another good example.  The bird, not the flower.  The evolution of humans has shifted from survival of the fittest to sexual selection, especially after we started domesticating animals and planting crops.  It would be interesting to see what hundreds of thousands of years of sexual selection would do to humanity...

I'd say it's already done it. We've had several thousand years of relative ease. I'd say we've changed very little, all change is strictly due to genetic drift at this point. We are simply stronger, bigger, and possibly a little smarter due to nutrition.

The effects of genetic drift is diluted by larger populations therefore making it a weak factor as well.  Also, a very little change is what is expected over a span of several thousand years.  We need more time to fully appreciate the effects of sexual selection.

and possibly a little smarter due to nutrition.

Nutrition doesn't make you smarter, And anyway, I've seen far too much stupidity by the human race to come up with that.

Smart, Yeah right, Raist, You are an idiot for coming up with that one.

Proper nutrition = better brain development = smarter people.

Guys, I think that we should get back to the point at hand; Evolution is demonstrably false.

The people in that video are confusing evolution with abiogenesis - goes to show just how much effort they put into their research.

Pongo, Religion is one big lie, If the people in the video seemed intelligent to you then you are done for.

I dont think Religion all together is dismissed as one big lie. Religion has been going on for centuries. It orginated from somewhere and I think it is plausible for people to believe in a higher power. That is if they choose so. Its freedom of speech just as much of you believing that we have no purpose on earth.

I dont think Religion all together is dismissed as one big lie.

By whom? I, for one, think it's total bullshit. Though I do agree that it's not a "lie" as such, because the people who support it often do believe in what they are saying.

Thats okay that you think its total bullshit. Its your opinion. I have my own.

They believe what they are saying cause the people have been brainwashed through decades of indoctrination by the cathols.

The bible is just merely a book about the zodiac and times of the seasons/ ages.

Interesting theory. Tell me more.

When they refer to the sun of god, They are actually talking about the physical wheel that's in the sky, Which in the bible says that when jesus got crucified and came back 3 days later was actually meaning the wheel in the sky.

the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.

Is this a study or did you just come up with this?

I have studied this.

When they refer to the sun of god, They are actually talking about the physical wheel that's in the sky, Which in the bible says that when jesus got crucified and came back 3 days later was actually meaning the wheel in the sky.

the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.
the wheel in the sky.

Look, watching Zeitgeist doesn't mean you've studied something. I don't believe in 'god', but Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. It isn't astrological symbolism. The man is known to have existed based on records and accounts; the 'Jesus Myth' theories have all been largely refuted, and the standards by which they argue Jesus did not actually exist could be applied to any number of historical figures from that time with the same result (for example, Alexander the Great).

It has more substance than applying stuff and making it up as seen in your last post.

And since when was there a wheel in the sky in Zeitgeist?

Even an eighth grader can disprove evolution, this one set to work hacking away at that oh so sacred base of evolution, stalactites.