Evolution didn't happen

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1140 on: November 11, 2009, 02:33:17 PM »
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1141 on: November 11, 2009, 02:41:46 PM »
Seriously Nord, if you are going to just keep regurgitating arguments that have already been refuted, just GTFO of this thread.

In fact, just leave FES altogether. You are useless.

You have not yet proven evolution for over 50 pages, along with other users i.e thread starter and pete.

As the user WardoggKC130FE stated, you completely fail. Your only responces now are offtopic.

You are quite amusing. We've cited studies that prove evolution repeatedly. The fact that you aren't educated enough to comprehend them isn't our fault.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1142 on: November 11, 2009, 03:11:10 PM »
Lets look at your first sites tree.....not very informative is it?



I'm not sure what you're highlighting there. Do you understand what the diagram is showing?

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1143 on: November 11, 2009, 03:19:32 PM »
Wardogg, please read these sentence carefully.

A theory does not explain what happens. It explains a mechanism for how it happened. Evolution makes 0 claims whatsoever about what has happened in the past.

This theory doesn't explain anything.  It makes large guesses, and molds some actual occurrences in to fit its assumption.  

Question: Where did man come from if he didn't come from God?  

Assumption: He must have mutated his way up the food chain from single celled organism which we can't prove either.


This is what I hear and see with all this evidence and proof you provide and the really funny thing over the last couple of posts I used the evolutionist  links.  Not even the .org and creationist sites I usually pull from.


Wrong, it makes predictions.  The phylogenetic chart of life is constantly being added too, we do not have all of the pieces, but every new species or fossil we find we can add it to the existing tree.  Evolution makes a prediction of what we should find on this tree, ie:  transitional forms, ever increasing complex traits in organisms, common ancestry.  Every new find is tested against these predictions and it passes with flying colors.  For example, we would not expect to find a cretaceous primate, or a Cambrian shark.  Apes are evolved from old world monkeys, therefore we would not expect to find a gorrilla that existed before old world monkeys.

So far every fossil we have found is exactly where evolution predicts it would be, verified through the fossil record, geology, genetics etc.  I will say it again, we will never find 100 percent proof of evolution as you keep insisting on, instead, we study the facts and ensure that every new fact we find is consistent with what evolution predicts, this will continue until we find something that is not consistent with evolutionary predictions.

Creationism's problem is that it makes no predictions, it is untestable, and relies on arguments of ignorance (god of the gaps) to explain what we do not yet know.  If we find two fossils several million years apart, and it is determined that they have common features and therefore are related, but the newer fossil has additional traits that the older did not have, then evolution predicts that somewhere we should find a fossil that is halfway between the two.  Creationist will insist that because we haven't found it yet, then evolution is false, and God created these creatures separately.  Then, as paleontologists have many times now, a transitional fossil is found, the evolutionary prediction is proven true, but creationist will then point out that there are now two transitional gaps, between the first and second, and between the second and third fossil, and claim that we are losing ground.  Ignoring the fact that a prediction evolution has made was verified, as it will always continue to be verified as we find more, that is why evolution will never be proven 100 percent, because that would assume we know everything, which is impossible.  What you should be asking, is anything predicted by evolution ever been wrong.

Creationism makes no predictions, there is no evidence to support it, and there is no way to test it, instead it relies on strawmen regarding what evolution predicts, and ignorance (God of the gaps) arguments regarding the things scientists have not found yet.  That is why the scientific community does not accept creationism.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1144 on: November 11, 2009, 03:23:32 PM »
Lol. The theory of evolution makes predictions about the past? Lulz.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1145 on: November 11, 2009, 03:25:26 PM »
Those are the affects of evolution being taught, mostly evolution fueled communism, as well as nazism, anarchism, liberalism and socialism.

If the theory evolution wasn't invented then the effects of communism, nazism, anarchism, liberalism and socialism would not have shaped society.

Everyone agrees (even did darwin himself) that evolution gave the world bad ideologies.

Now i ask you evolutionists here, why do you support a theory which ruined the world.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1146 on: November 11, 2009, 03:26:52 PM »
Lol. The theory of evolution makes predictions about the past? Lulz.

It makes predictions about what we will find in the fossil record, yes.  That's why if we ever found a cambian mammal, evolution would be effectively disproven, mammals cannot have existed before tetrapods, or amniotes.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1147 on: November 11, 2009, 03:27:38 PM »
Those are the affects of evolution being taught, mostly evolution fueled communism, as well as nazism, anarchism, liberalism and socialism.

If the theory evolution wasn't invented then the effects of communism, nazism, anarchism, liberalism and socialism would not have shaped society.

Everyone agrees (even did darwin himself) that evolution gave the world bad ideologies.

Now i ask you evolutionists here, why do you support a theory which ruined the world.

No it is not what is taught.


Evolution makes no predictions about what we will find in the fossil record.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1148 on: November 11, 2009, 03:32:12 PM »
It also makes predictions about common traits, the fact that every vertebrate has red blood, and every invertebrate has blue blood, validates that prediction, among other findings.  When it comes to whales, many still have vestigial traits such as pelvis bones and legs (something creationist cannot explain).  Even if they have lost their legs completely, they are still tetrapods by descent, and it has been confirmed that the genes for creating these limbs, passed down through generations, are still there.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1149 on: November 11, 2009, 03:38:55 PM »
Fossils are dead animals, you can't go back in time and prove they had babies. Thus trying to prove common descent or a ''missing link'' via a fossil can not be done.

Fossils are not evidence for evolution. There is no evidence for evolution.

And calling me a troll, when all you do is spam this place up is one liner responces i.e ''fuck off'' just proves you are the troll.

why not answer my questions? because you can't. Note also that everyone who asked me a question i responded to, i also gave links.

And who is the only person who quotes scientists here (with publication and page number)? only me.

yep you fail, over 50 pages and you can't prove evolution.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1150 on: November 11, 2009, 03:46:56 PM »
Heres what i'll leave you with:

Famous inventors and pioneers of science who REJECTED Darwinism/lamarckism/theory of evolution:

Louis Agassiz (1807-1873): glacial geology, ichthyology.

Charles Babbage (1792-1871): actuarial tables, calculating machine, foundations of computer science.

Robert Boyle (1627-1691): chemistry, gas dynamics.

Sir David Brewster (1781-1868): optical mineralogy, kaleidoscope.

Georges Cuvier (1769-1832): comparative anatomy, vertebrate paleontology

Sir Humphry Davy (1778-1829): thermokinetics.

Jean Henri Fabre (1823-1915): entomology of living insects.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867): electric generator, electro-magnetics, field theory.

Sir John A. Fleming (1849-1945): electronics, thermic valve.

Joseph Henry (1797-1878): electric motor, galvanometer.

Sir William Herschel (1738-1822): galactic astronomy, double stars.

James Joule (1818-1889): reversible thermodynamics.

Lord William Kelvin (1824-1907): absolute temperature scale, energetics, thermodynamics, transatlantic cable.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630): celestial mechanics, ephemeris tables, physical astronomy.

Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778): classification system, systematic biology.

Joseph Lister (1827-1912): antiseptic surgery.

Samuel F.B. Morse (1791-1872): telegraph.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662): hydrostatics, barometer.

Louis Pasteur (1822-1895): bacteriology, biogenesis law, pasteurization, vaccination, and immunization.

Sir William Ramsey (1852-1916): inert gases, isotropic chemistry.

John Ray (1627-1705): natural history, classification of plants and animals.

John Rayleigh (1842-1919): dimensional analysis, model analysis.


I'll believe the words of these men of course, over a bunch of atheist-evolutionists who for some bizarre reason join  flat earth society forum..why not join an evolutionist forum? probably because you don't even believe in evolution deep down and you come here just to be different. lol makes you feel special does it?

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1151 on: November 11, 2009, 03:50:21 PM »
It also makes predictions about common traits, the fact that every vertebrate has red blood, and every invertebrate has blue blood, validates that prediction, among other findings.  When it comes to whales, many still have vestigial traits such as pelvis bones and legs (something creationist cannot explain).  Even if they have lost their legs completely, they are still tetrapods by descent, and it has been confirmed that the genes for creating these limbs, passed down through generations, are still there.

Those are things that are predicted because of it and are testable. It does not mean the theory itself predicts them.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1152 on: November 11, 2009, 04:00:33 PM »
Heres what i'll leave you with:

Famous inventors and pioneers of science who REJECTED Darwinism/lamarckism/theory of evolution:

Georges Cuvier (1769-1832): comparative anatomy, vertebrate paleontology

Sir Humphry Davy (1778-1829): thermokinetics.

Sir William Herschel (1738-1822): galactic astronomy, double stars.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630): celestial mechanics, ephemeris tables, physical astronomy.

Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778): classification system, systematic biology.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662): hydrostatics, barometer.

John Ray (1627-1705): natural history, classification of plants and animals.

All of the above died before The Origin of Species was written. Half of them died before Darwin was even born. How could they have possibly rejected Darwinism if they had no idea what it even was?

Honestly, why are the mods allowing him to spam a serious thread with nonsense?

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1153 on: November 11, 2009, 04:20:57 PM »
Heres what i'll leave you with:

Famous inventors and pioneers of science who REJECTED Darwinism/lamarckism/theory of evolution:

Georges Cuvier (1769-1832): comparative anatomy, vertebrate paleontology

Sir Humphry Davy (1778-1829): thermokinetics.

Sir William Herschel (1738-1822): galactic astronomy, double stars.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630): celestial mechanics, ephemeris tables, physical astronomy.

Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778): classification system, systematic biology.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662): hydrostatics, barometer.

John Ray (1627-1705): natural history, classification of plants and animals.

All of the above died before The Origin of Species was written. Half of them died before Darwin was even born. How could they have possibly rejected Darwinism if they had no idea what it even was?

Honestly, why are the mods allowing him to spam a serious thread with nonsense?

I said Lamarckism as well. Secondly Darwinism didn?t start with Charles, it started with Erasmus Darwin.
Google: Zoonomia, or the Laws of Organic Life (1794)
Darwinism was around in the late 1700?s.
It?s you who has no idea...i can tell you are just a young kid (hence your immature name and avatar) who has never really looked into anything other than evolution.  No need to feel embarrassed, scared or ashamed to look into alternitive ideas to evolution.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1154 on: November 11, 2009, 04:29:12 PM »
So you quoted people from centuries ago, that had no ideas about the laws of inheritance, and no idea about mutations, to disprove a theory that wasn't even developed yet?

That totally makes sense.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1155 on: November 11, 2009, 04:35:35 PM »
It also makes predictions about common traits, the fact that every vertebrate has red blood, and every invertebrate has blue blood, validates that prediction, among other findings.  When it comes to whales, many still have vestigial traits such as pelvis bones and legs (something creationist cannot explain).  Even if they have lost their legs completely, they are still tetrapods by descent, and it has been confirmed that the genes for creating these limbs, passed down through generations, are still there.

Those are things that are predicted because of it and are testable. It does not mean the theory itself predicts them.

yay semantics.  The point is if any of those predictions were proven wrong then evolution would be falsified.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1156 on: November 11, 2009, 04:37:47 PM »
Fossils are dead animals, you can't go back in time and prove they had babies. Thus trying to prove common descent or a ''missing link'' via a fossil can not be done.

Fossils are not evidence for evolution. There is no evidence for evolution.

And calling me a troll, when all you do is spam this place up is one liner responces i.e ''fuck off'' just proves you are the troll.

why not answer my questions? because you can't. Note also that everyone who asked me a question i responded to, i also gave links.

And who is the only person who quotes scientists here (with publication and page number)? only me.

yep you fail, over 50 pages and you can't prove evolution.

So you believe that new species of animals were magically created from nothing, in fully adult form.  Where is your proof?

The fact that we have never observed this is good enough evidence to make an educated assumption that the animals in the fossil record had parents.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1157 on: November 11, 2009, 04:39:02 PM »
It also makes predictions about common traits, the fact that every vertebrate has red blood, and every invertebrate has blue blood, validates that prediction, among other findings.  When it comes to whales, many still have vestigial traits such as pelvis bones and legs (something creationist cannot explain).  Even if they have lost their legs completely, they are still tetrapods by descent, and it has been confirmed that the genes for creating these limbs, passed down through generations, are still there.

Those are things that are predicted because of it and are testable. It does not mean the theory itself predicts them.

yay semantics.  The point is if any of those predictions were proven wrong then evolution would be falsified.

Not at all. Things predicted because of a theory can not be used as disproof of a theory only of the prediction.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1158 on: November 11, 2009, 04:45:01 PM »


So you believe that new species of animals were magically created from nothing, in fully adult form.  Where is your proof?

The fact that we have never observed this is good enough evidence to make an educated assumption that the animals in the fossil record had parents.
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there are no new species. the ''varience'' is already in the genome hence a person could have a tall baby, short, fat, thin etc...this is true science, observed...europeans can have blue, gray, green, brown eyes as well as red, auburn, blonde, brown hair (already in the genes)...are you saying people with those features are a new species? no...your ideas as i said are debunked by basic observation.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1159 on: November 11, 2009, 04:48:13 PM »
I didn't say that they were different species.  How do you explain the fact that there is a definite observed diversity of different species existing on the earth today?

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1160 on: November 11, 2009, 04:50:03 PM »
It also makes predictions about common traits, the fact that every vertebrate has red blood, and every invertebrate has blue blood, validates that prediction, among other findings.  When it comes to whales, many still have vestigial traits such as pelvis bones and legs (something creationist cannot explain).  Even if they have lost their legs completely, they are still tetrapods by descent, and it has been confirmed that the genes for creating these limbs, passed down through generations, are still there.

Those are things that are predicted because of it and are testable. It does not mean the theory itself predicts them.

yay semantics.  The point is if any of those predictions were proven wrong then evolution would be falsified.

Not at all. Things predicted because of a theory can not be used as disproof of a theory only of the prediction.

I'm pretty sure if they found a Cambrian reptile that it could not be explained through evolutionary means.  Since scientific theories are required to be consistent with all known facts, such a finding would prove evolution wrong since it would not be consistent with that hypothetical fact.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1161 on: November 11, 2009, 04:55:54 PM »
I didn't say that they were different species.  How do you explain the fact that there is a definite observed diversity of different species existing on the earth today?

all 'species'', better termed 'kinds' sprung from the same kinds but with a primordial set of genes. the diversity of animals kinds today is just this gene expression. nothing complicated to understand. only evolutionists complicate things. the ancestors of animals were their own kind ie ancestor of dog a dog, a man a man etc...no ''ape-men'' ''ape-fish'' etc.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1162 on: November 11, 2009, 04:59:02 PM »


So you believe that new species of animals were magically created from nothing, in fully adult form.  Where is your proof?

The fact that we have never observed this is good enough evidence to make an educated assumption that the animals in the fossil record had parents.

there are no new species. the ''varience'' is already in the genome
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So in a totally homozygous population of fruit flies, how did white eyes arise? 4 genes were involved, all of them coded for red eye pigment.

Do you not believe in mutations?

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1163 on: November 11, 2009, 05:00:10 PM »
I said Lamarckism as well. Secondly Darwinism didn?t start with Charles, it started with Erasmus Darwin.
Google: Zoonomia, or the Laws of Organic Life (1794)
Darwinism was around in the late 1700?s.
It?s you who has no idea...i can tell you are just a young kid (hence your immature name and avatar) who has never really looked into anything other than evolution.  No need to feel embarrassed, scared or ashamed to look into alternitive ideas to evolution.
Oh nice, an Ad Hominem? It matches your appeal to authority nicely. So shall I take this as a concession that you have no real arguments against Evolution to make?
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1164 on: November 11, 2009, 05:26:38 PM »
EVOLUTION AND WESTERN CULTURE
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et cetera et cetera

Wonder twin powers combine.

Form of; Giant wall of text.

Are you testing some beta program for Bill Gates where the email said you'd get $.01 for every 10 word you post in a forum?
 

The proper exclamation is "Wonder twin power, activate!" 

It did make me laugh though.  Thanks.  :)

Ah balls, I did botch that.  Son of a bitch!  I kept thinking of stupid f'ing Captain Planet.

A little injection of humor is usually good when these things get on this long.
"We know that the sun is 93 million miles away and takes up 5 degrees of the sky.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1165 on: November 11, 2009, 05:30:39 PM »


So you believe that new species of animals were magically created from nothing, in fully adult form.  Where is your proof?

The fact that we have never observed this is good enough evidence to make an educated assumption that the animals in the fossil record had parents.

there are no new species. the ''varience'' is already in the genome

So in a totally homozygous population of fruit flies, how did white eyes arise? 4 genes were involved, all of them coded for red eye pigment.

Do you not believe in mutations?
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theres no such thing a a mutation in natural world. there are however manmade mutations. pouring a chemical substance i.e over a cat etc. scientists do these mutations. but not natural world mutations.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1166 on: November 11, 2009, 05:32:12 PM »


So you believe that new species of animals were magically created from nothing, in fully adult form.  Where is your proof?

The fact that we have never observed this is good enough evidence to make an educated assumption that the animals in the fossil record had parents.

there are no new species. the ''varience'' is already in the genome

So in a totally homozygous population of fruit flies, how did white eyes arise? 4 genes were involved, all of them coded for red eye pigment.

Do you not believe in mutations?


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theres no such thing a a mutation in natural world. there are however manmade mutations. pouring a chemical substance i.e over a cat etc. scientists do these mutations. but not natural world mutations.
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So you believe that DNA polymerase has an error rate of 0 and that there is nothing in the natural world that causes these mutations? (considering there is a constant background radiation in the world, and we can physically prove the error rate of dna polymerase)

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1167 on: November 11, 2009, 05:45:48 PM »
Heres what i'll leave you with:

Famous inventors and pioneers of science who REJECTED Darwinism/lamarckism/theory of evolution:

Louis Agassiz (1807-1873): glacial geology, ichthyology.

Charles Babbage (1792-1871): actuarial tables, calculating machine, foundations of computer science.

Robert Boyle (1627-1691): chemistry, gas dynamics.

Sir David Brewster (1781-1868): optical mineralogy, kaleidoscope.

Georges Cuvier (1769-1832): comparative anatomy, vertebrate paleontology

Sir Humphry Davy (1778-1829): thermokinetics.

Jean Henri Fabre (1823-1915): entomology of living insects.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867): electric generator, electro-magnetics, field theory.

Sir John A. Fleming (1849-1945): electronics, thermic valve.

Joseph Henry (1797-1878): electric motor, galvanometer.

Sir William Herschel (1738-1822): galactic astronomy, double stars.

James Joule (1818-1889): reversible thermodynamics.

Lord William Kelvin (1824-1907): absolute temperature scale, energetics, thermodynamics, transatlantic cable.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630): celestial mechanics, ephemeris tables, physical astronomy.

Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778): classification system, systematic biology.

Joseph Lister (1827-1912): antiseptic surgery.

Samuel F.B. Morse (1791-1872): telegraph.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662): hydrostatics, barometer.

Louis Pasteur (1822-1895): bacteriology, biogenesis law, pasteurization, vaccination, and immunization.

Sir William Ramsey (1852-1916): inert gases, isotropic chemistry.

John Ray (1627-1705): natural history, classification of plants and animals.

John Rayleigh (1842-1919): dimensional analysis, model analysis.


I'll believe the words of these men of course, over a bunch of atheist-evolutionists who for some bizarre reason join  flat earth society forum..why not join an evolutionist forum? probably because you don't even believe in evolution deep down and you come here just to be different. lol makes you feel special does it?


Look, I hate to tell you, but unlike religion, Science doesn't have "Prophets" and doesn't operate on appeals to authority. Also... it would seem that the people on your list, all of them are dead, and have been dead for at least 65 years.  ::)

You truly are pitiful. Since those people have lived, science has advanced.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1168 on: November 11, 2009, 05:48:12 PM »
dna does not mutate. absolutely nothing does. never will do. evolution/mutations are in the minds of men, and also children who watch things like the incredible hulk.

we are static or we get worse (devolution).

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1169 on: November 11, 2009, 05:48:58 PM »
dna does not mutate. absolutely nothing does. never will do. evolution/mutations are in the minds of men, and also children who watch things like the incredible hulk.

we are static or we get worse (devolution).

Do you know what mutate means?