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« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2006, 06:19:57 PM »
Stupid is Stupid

and the amazing RE:FE ratio speaks to that anyway
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« Reply #121 on: June 25, 2006, 03:17:06 AM »
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Which of these is a dumb response?


As you follow a pattern of answers, you might as well script  this forum to post them automatically to RE'ers questions.
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« Reply #122 on: June 25, 2006, 07:48:09 AM »
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you do realise that a river effects the slope of the surrounding landscape?


Sure.  I also recognize that it affects the economy of the surrounding region.  In what relevant way does it affect the slope?


<sigh> for starters, if he performed the experiment on an area with any slope, he would be able to see further

rivers tend to slope towards their mouths
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« Reply #123 on: June 25, 2006, 09:37:58 AM »
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As you follow a pattern of answers, you might as well script  this forum to post them automatically to RE'ers questions.


Wow, that's an awesome idea.... the script should be really easy to write since it need accept nary a few inputs....
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« Reply #124 on: June 25, 2006, 09:40:34 AM »
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<sigh> for starters, if he performed the experiment on an area with any slope, he would be able to see further

rivers tend to slope towards their mouths


Yes, they do, but this river was described as unusually still, which would make it unlikely that the bed had more than the slightest of slopes.

Also, just because the riverbed slopes, doesn't mean that the surface won't, on a round Earth, be convex in a manner predicted by the curvature of the Earth.  I.e. it won't flatten out the surface and enable you to see any farther.  At least, it won't flatten out a twenty-four foot drop.
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« Reply #125 on: June 25, 2006, 09:58:27 AM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"

If you get to count FEers' joking responses, then I get to count REers' overwhelming barrages of mindless insults and plain old gibberish.


I wasn't joking when I put forward that penguins did not evolve like other animals.

And the "powertools" statement was only half a joke - I was honestly trying to posit that dinosaurs were more advanced than we give them credit for.
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« Reply #126 on: June 25, 2006, 10:57:31 AM »
it really doesnt matter to me if the were more or less advanced than we give them credit for, to claim they were completely modernized is idiotic, because to have modernization you need to have civilization, including written language, societies, and like it or not, war... there would be fossil evidence of that, and beside, to even start that claim, you would have to make the assertion that all the species were working together, an insane concept, since prey will never work with predator, as they will run at the first sign
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« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2006, 12:26:26 PM »
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it really doesnt matter to me if the were more or less advanced than we give them credit for, to claim they were completely modernized is idiotic, because to have modernization you need to have civilization, including written language, societies, and like it or not, war... there would be fossil evidence of that, and beside, to even start that claim, you would have to make the assertion that all the species were working together, an insane concept, since prey will never work with predator, as they will run at the first sign


You don't have to be completely modernized to build a damn boat or two! Humans have been building boats since prehistory, and back then we didn't have written language, societies, or war (at least not on any sort of significant scale).
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« Reply #128 on: June 25, 2006, 12:32:01 PM »
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You don't have to be completely modernized to build a damn boat or two! Humans have been building boats since prehistory, and back then we didn't have written language, societies, or war (at least not on any sort of significant scale).


We did have societies and war to a historically recordable extent.

Also, you need some sort of tools to build boats.
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« Reply #129 on: June 25, 2006, 12:33:10 PM »
and once again dogplatter, the sheer magnitude of fossils shows that "a damn boat or two" woudlnt do it
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« Reply #130 on: June 25, 2006, 12:43:52 PM »
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and once again dogplatter, the sheer magnitude of fossils shows that "a damn boat or two" woudlnt do it


We've been through this several times, man.

Important point 1: Boats can be used over and over again. If a single boat can carry a crew of 10 dinosaurs and an intercontinental voyage takes 6 months, it only takes a century for 1000 dinosaurs to make the trip. If 10 boats existed, 10000 dinosaurs could make the trip in that same century. If 100 boats existed, 100000 dinosaurs could make the trip.


Important point 2: The number of dinosaurs existing at one time isn't static. If, for example, 100 dinosaurs started a colony in an area where no other dinosaurs exist to compete with them, they can breed heavily and the colony would grow almost exponentially in size.
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« Reply #131 on: June 25, 2006, 12:47:33 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"

Also, you need some sort of tools to build boats.


We have no justifiable reason to suspect dinosaurs were not, at some point, capable of using tools. Let's not forget that the dinosaurs existed for much longer than people have.
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« Reply #132 on: June 25, 2006, 12:50:10 PM »
except that we have no evidence of them using tools, where as we have makeshift tools made by early homo erectus and homo neandrathal
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« Reply #133 on: June 25, 2006, 01:11:30 PM »
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except that we have no evidence of them using tools, where as we have makeshift tools made by early homo erectus and homo neandrathal


Dinosaur tool use would have been much less widespread than humanoid tool use.

Homo Erectus and buddies used tools for all sorts of stuff - skinning animals, killing animals, etc. Dinosaurs had teeth and claws for all that - all they needed tools for was to build boats.
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« Reply #134 on: June 25, 2006, 01:16:33 PM »
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Quote from: "Erasmus"

Also, you need some sort of tools to build boats.


We have no justifiable reason to suspect dinosaurs were not, at some point, capable of using tools. Let's not forget that the dinosaurs existed for much longer than people have.



Maybe you are not aware of the brain size of dinosaurs?
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« Reply #135 on: June 25, 2006, 01:19:29 PM »
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Maybe you are not aware of the brain size of dinosaurs?


I am aware that the brain size of dinosaurs in proportion to their bodies was very small, but I'm also aware that otter and bird brains are way small, and that both of these animals use tools.
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« Reply #136 on: June 25, 2006, 01:21:40 PM »
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Maybe you are not aware of the brain size of dinosaurs?


I am aware that the brain size of dinosaurs in proportion to their bodies was very small, but I'm also aware that otter and bird brains are way small, and that both of these animals use tools.


What tools do birds use?
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« Reply #137 on: June 25, 2006, 01:22:58 PM »
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Maybe you are not aware of the brain size of dinosaurs?


I am aware that the brain size of dinosaurs in proportion to their bodies was very small, but I'm also aware that otter and bird brains are way small, and that both of these animals use tools.


Cracking an oyster against a stone and building a boat with sophisticated tools is not really the same thing.
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« Reply #138 on: June 25, 2006, 01:24:48 PM »
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What tools do birds use?


http://dml.cmnh.org/1997Jul/msg00583.html

http://www.jcrows.com/crow.html

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Hunt's report suggests that the tool-making and tool-using behavior of crows rivals that of Homo erectus, although the issues, Boesch notes, "are not straightforward." He argues that chimpanzees have shown a level of tool manufacture and use comparable to that described by Hunt.


If crows and chimps can use tools that rival that of early humans, why couldn't dinosaurs?
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« Reply #139 on: June 25, 2006, 01:26:50 PM »
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I'm also aware that bird brains are way small, and that both of these animals use tools.

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« Reply #140 on: June 25, 2006, 01:28:00 PM »
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You changed my post! I said otter and bird brains.
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« Reply #141 on: June 25, 2006, 01:28:43 PM »
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If crows and chimps can use tools that rival that of early humans, why couldn't dinosaurs?


Because of their extremely low IQ and their body shapes. They didn't have fingers, for example. :p
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« Reply #142 on: June 25, 2006, 01:30:14 PM »
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If crows and chimps can use tools that rival that of early humans, why couldn't dinosaurs?


Because of their extremely low IQ and their body shapes. They didn't have fingers, for example. :p


Nor do crows!
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« Reply #143 on: June 25, 2006, 01:31:53 PM »
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If crows and chimps can use tools that rival that of early humans, why couldn't dinosaurs?


Because of their extremely low IQ and their body shapes. They didn't have fingers, for example. :p


Nor do crows!


Nor worms. And they poop doors for their holes.
Maybe they existed with the dinosaurs and made poop-boats for them?
Prove me wrong.
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« Reply #144 on: June 25, 2006, 01:58:55 PM »
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You changed my post! I said otter and bird brains.

Yes, I did! I wasn't sure about the otter, cause I don't know much about them but birds...that was very...
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« Reply #145 on: June 25, 2006, 02:12:26 PM »
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If crows and chimps can use tools that rival that of early humans, why couldn't dinosaurs?


Because of their extremely low IQ

So dinosaurs were incapable of using rudimentary tools, but they were able to devise complex predictive tests of intelligence, and methods for recording the results so that we would find them millions of years later?

FASCINATING!
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