# Proof that our planet is round.

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#### Dr.Nicholson

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##### Proof that our planet is round.
« on: March 06, 2009, 06:38:56 AM »
You can travel all the way around the earth and end up in the same spot.

This has been done thousands of time.

Prove me wrong?

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#### Proleg

##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 06:39:50 AM »
Circumnavigation is possible on a flat earth.

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#### Dr.Nicholson

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 06:40:28 AM »
You can travel in a perfectly straight line, all the way around the earth.

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#### Dr.Nicholson

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 06:41:26 AM »
Circumnavigation is possible on a flat earth.

Also, do you have logic to your theory?

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#### Proleg

##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 06:44:40 AM »
You cannot travel in a "perfectly straight line" in either theory - otherwise, it would not be circumnavigation.

Also, compasses function the same in FET as they do in RET. I suggest you read our FAQ if such simple concepts still elude you.

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#### Dr.Nicholson

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2009, 06:52:29 AM »
You cannot travel in a "perfectly straight line" in either theory - otherwise, it would not be circumnavigation.

Also, compasses function the same in FET as they do in RET. I suggest you read our FAQ if such simple concepts still elude you.

You realize that man has traveled ALL THE WAY AROUND THE EQUATOR, not in the southern hemisphere or the northern hemisphere, along the equator. That is proof that the world is round, or else they would have found the edge of the 'flat earth'.

Its pretty obvious everybody here is completely retarded, I'm just going to leave now and say myself the trouble of arguing with dimwits.

EDIT: Also, i like how you ignored my question.

« Last Edit: March 06, 2009, 06:54:03 AM by Dr.Nicholson »

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#### Proleg

##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2009, 06:53:48 AM »
Chalk up another victory for Flat Earth Theory!

#### divito the truthist

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2009, 07:03:08 AM »

Our existentialist, relativist, nihilist, determinist, fascist, eugenicist moderator hath returned.
Quote from: Fortuna
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#### bowler

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2009, 07:03:49 AM »
Another victory? Where was the first?

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#### Proleg

##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2009, 07:05:58 AM »
Another victory? Where was the first?
Read Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not A Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

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#### bowler

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2009, 07:47:06 AM »
There was absolutely no uncertainty measurement in that work. Given his methodology about the only shape he could exclude is that the Earth was a hollow sphere and he was on the inside I'd imagine. It was an interesting idea but he had no real sensitivity.

#### Ulrichomega

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 08:14:33 AM »
You cannot travel in a "perfectly straight line" in either theory - otherwise, it would not be circumnavigation.

Semantics. We both realize that he means that one can travel forward (without turning in either direction) on a RE and eventually come back to one's starting point.
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...

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#### bowler

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2009, 08:25:05 AM »
Actually this is quite interesting. As neither magnetic pole matches up with the geographic pole. One part of the souther hemisphere is going to be 60-70 thousand miles from the magnetic south pole. I'd have to think about this but im pretty sure this would mess up compass navigation. A long way from the Noth magnetic pole a compass would give massively different result for FE and RE would it not? I maybe wrong i'm thinking as I write here but I can;t see how the predictions for both theories would be similar.

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#### Dr.Nicholson

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2009, 10:06:19 AM »
Here?s a much, much simpler proof, that?s easy to implement, and can readily convince the most obtuse person. If you?re on the east coast, call someone on the west coast just after sunset. If you?re on the west coast, do the opposite, call someone on the east coast three hours before sunset. Hand over the phone to the ?round earth unbeliever? telling him to ask the person at the other end of the line to describe precisely where the sun is. What?s that? The ?round earth unbeliever? sees the sun at one place with respect to the horizontal ground, while the person he is talking to sees it completely elsewhere (while still on horizontal ground). Conclusion? The two surfaces of ground are not parallel. Actually, they?re 45 degrees apart!

But you won't have anything to say about that, you will just ask what I am doing back here.

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#### zeroply

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2009, 10:41:11 AM »
Here?s a much, much simpler proof, that?s easy to implement, and can readily convince the most obtuse person. If you?re on the east coast, call someone on the west coast just after sunset. If you?re on the west coast, do the opposite, call someone on the east coast three hours before sunset. Hand over the phone to the ?round earth unbeliever? telling him to ask the person at the other end of the line to describe precisely where the sun is. What?s that? The ?round earth unbeliever? sees the sun at one place with respect to the horizontal ground, while the person he is talking to sees it completely elsewhere (while still on horizontal ground). Conclusion? The two surfaces of ground are not parallel. Actually, they?re 45 degrees apart!

But you won't have anything to say about that, you will just ask what I am doing back here.

Have you even read the FAQ? I mean, like any of it? Your experiment is assuming a certain distance between the sun and the Earth. I can call someone across town and compare the location of the Goodyear blimp that's overhead with them, it's not the curvature of the Earth that gives us different readings but the simple fact that the angle to the blimp is different for each of us.

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#### MayTheBetterModelWin

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2009, 07:50:51 PM »
Here?s a much, much simpler proof, that?s easy to implement, and can readily convince the most obtuse person. If you?re on the east coast, call someone on the west coast just after sunset. If you?re on the west coast, do the opposite, call someone on the east coast three hours before sunset. Hand over the phone to the ?round earth unbeliever? telling him to ask the person at the other end of the line to describe precisely where the sun is. What?s that? The ?round earth unbeliever? sees the sun at one place with respect to the horizontal ground, while the person he is talking to sees it completely elsewhere (while still on horizontal ground). Conclusion? The two surfaces of ground are not parallel. Actually, they?re 45 degrees apart!

But you won't have anything to say about that, you will just ask what I am doing back here.

Have you even read the FAQ? I mean, like any of it? Your experiment is assuming a certain distance between the sun and the Earth. I can call someone across town and compare the location of the Goodyear blimp that's overhead with them, it's not the curvature of the Earth that gives us different readings but the simple fact that the angle to the blimp is different for each of us.
Your point is good, but your argument still fails. Place the call, do the trig, and then weep for the time you wasted believing a theory that you could disprove so easily.

If you're not willing to the experiment, then just admit your closed-minded. I see that REers have already posted their results.

BTW, my favorite proof that the Earth is round comes up on the first days of Spring and Fall, when every observer (save those on the poles) on Earth sees the Sun rise directly to the East, and set directly to the West. (City Planners anticipate that the East-West-North-South aligned city grid of streets will be more congested with the Sun blinding drivers that morning more than most other days.) The pole-based observers see the Sun at the horizon all day long. This proves that the Sun is not a spotlight and that the Sun must be millions of miles away.

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#### THE_TURK

##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2009, 01:45:48 PM »
you guys are really lolll:S:S:SDo you really think teh earth is flat?Thats so ridiculus!!! Dont come to me with ridiculus theories(THe other side is the dark energy bla bla)Thats so inlogical.And moreover all the weather events all the plane flights the photos from the space(these photos are not fake.They are real!!)And do you have any logical proof that the earth is flat??You can see all the proofs that the earth is round from the weather events and more.You fools think that the earth is on the top of an animals horn.And fuck your FAQ!!!You must explain me why the earth is flat.you guys are only searching for adventure and adrenalin!!!!You are really fools!!!!!!!!!

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#### Ravenwood240

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2009, 02:45:27 PM »
you guys are really lolll:S:S:SDo you really think teh earth is flat?Thats so ridiculus!!! Dont come to me with ridiculus theories(THe other side is the dark energy bla bla)Thats so inlogical.And moreover all the weather events all the plane flights the photos from the space(these photos are not fake.They are real!!)And do you have any logical proof that the earth is flat??You can see all the proofs that the earth is round from the weather events and more.You fools think that the earth is on the top of an animals horn.And fuck your FAQ!!!You must explain me why the earth is flat.you guys are only searching for adventure and adrenalin!!!!You are really fools!!!!!!!!!

Grammar, spelling and punctuation are your friends, please use them.  That pile of letters there just hurts the eyes.
Belief gets in the way of learning.  If you believe something, you've closed your mind to any further thought.  I know some things, little things, not the nine million names of God.

(Paraphased from R.A. Heinlein's "Time Enough For Love.")

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#### MayTheBetterModelWin

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2009, 12:13:17 AM »
you guys are really lolll:S:S:SDo you really think teh earth is flat?Thats so ridiculus!!! Dont come to me with ridiculus theories(THe other side is the dark energy bla bla)Thats so inlogical.And moreover all the weather events all the plane flights the photos from the space(these photos are not fake.They are real!!)And do you have any logical proof that the earth is flat??You can see all the proofs that the earth is round from the weather events and more.You fools think that the earth is on the top of an animals horn.And fuck your FAQ!!!You must explain me why the earth is flat.you guys are only searching for adventure and adrenalin!!!!You are really fools!!!!!!!!!

Grammar, spelling and punctuation are your friends, please use them.  That pile of letters there just hurts the eyes.
Have you considered that a comma splice is equally offensive?

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#### hfree

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2009, 01:24:00 AM »
Ravenwood! why? do you attack grammar when your beloved hogwa... i mean FET fall around your pathetic beliefs

P.s Harry wants me

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#### Ravenwood240

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• I disagree. What was the Question?
##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2009, 10:13:43 AM »
Ravenwood! why? do you attack grammar when your beloved hogwa... i mean FET fall around your pathetic beliefs

P.s Harry wants me

Beliefs?  Pay attention and read the words at the bottom of every message I post.  Then look under my name and read the sentence there.

I am not an English major, but there is a limit to abuse of the language that I am willing to read and that block of errors went well over it.

Should the poster come back with a post that can be read instead of deciphered, I may answer it.

By the way, why do you care if I call him on his writing?
Belief gets in the way of learning.  If you believe something, you've closed your mind to any further thought.  I know some things, little things, not the nine million names of God.

(Paraphased from R.A. Heinlein's "Time Enough For Love.")

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#### hfree

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2009, 01:02:07 PM »

A better question is why are you a hypocrite? Your signature says: "'Belief gets in the way of learning.  If you believe something, you've closed your mind to any further thought.  I know some things, little things, not the nine million names of God."
Yet you defend FET now see concrete evidence of the other side of the earth, or see the whole earth from way up in space. Touch, if you can, the spotlight sun and moon. Travel to the edge of the earth throw your worst enemy off and watch as we all accelerate away from them. Then you will know the earth is flat not just believe it is. Your defense of the FET is all the proof i need to show your hypocrisy.
You, my dear Ravenwood, are a believer like it or not.

If you disagree without knowing the question then why do you agree with FET. I have seen your posts. Don't lie to me.
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#### Ravenwood240

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2009, 02:49:57 PM »

A better question is why are you a hypocrite? Your signature says: "'Belief gets in the way of learning.  If you believe something, you've closed your mind to any further thought.  I know some things, little things, not the nine million names of God."
Yet you defend FET now see concrete evidence of the other side of the earth, or see the whole earth from way up in space. Touch, if you can, the spotlight sun and moon. Travel to the edge of the earth throw your worst enemy off and watch as we all accelerate away from them. Then you will know the earth is flat not just believe it is. Your defense of the FET is all the proof i need to show your hypocrisy.
You, my dear Ravenwood, are a believer like it or not.

If you disagree without knowing the question then why do you agree with FET. I have seen your posts. Don't lie to me.

Sigh.  Did you look at the other sentence, by any chance?  I am a FE'er because 10,000 people come here to defend the RE and I can get more debates in being a FE'er.

I don't believe anything that I haven't checked for myself.  Until then it's conjecture, theories, hypothesizes.

Belief requires faith.  "God said so" or the equivalent in your belief system.  Someone told you it was true and you blindly accept it, no matter how silly it may sound.

Once you have done that, you have narrowed your world view to those things that agree with your faith.

The debate about the Catholic church is a good case in point.
Kingman used to reject anything that didn't meet his belief system.
Americans believe they are the shit...
(Well, to be fair, everyone likes their country better than any other, its just that Americans are louder about it.)

Belief closes the eyes and the mind.
Belief gets in the way of learning.  If you believe something, you've closed your mind to any further thought.  I know some things, little things, not the nine million names of God.

(Paraphased from R.A. Heinlein's "Time Enough For Love.")

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#### user99

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 06:30:46 PM »
I am a FE'er because 10,000 people come here to defend the RE and I can get more debates in being a FE'er.

Read: I'm an opinion mercenary, no soapbox too small for the right fee.

I don't believe anything that I haven't checked for myself.  Until then it's conjecture, theories, hypothesizes.

Read: I'm not an opinion mecrenary, I will never subjugate my beliefs to the whims of the masses.

You see how we're all so confused?

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#### Baloon Earth Society

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 09:35:59 PM »
Chalk up another victory for Flat Earth Theory!

Your not a scientist and that was to Win, therefore that makes it an Auto Fail. I did not see any win, you avoided it but clamming you made a win, but you showed no sign of it, you clammed to win to dodge the question. Go back to the 1600's.

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#### Proleg

##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2009, 09:39:06 PM »
Chalk up another victory for Flat Earth Theory!

Your not a scientist and that was to Win, therefore that makes it an Auto Fail. I did not see any win, you avoided it but clamming you made a win, but you showed no sign of it, you clammed to win to dodge the question. Go back to the 1600's.
How was that not a win and why do I belong in the 1600s?

#### LordTalon69

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2009, 01:10:16 AM »
you guys are really lolll:S:S:SDo you really think teh earth is flat?Thats so ridiculus!!! DONT COME TO ME with ridiculus theories(THe other side is the dark energy bla bla)Thats so inlogical.And moreover all the weather events all the plane flights the photos from the space(these photos are not fake.They are real!!)And do you have any logical proof that the earth is flat??You can see all the proofs that the earth is round from the weather events and more.You fools think that the earth is on the top of an animals horn.And fuck your FAQ!!!You must explain me why the earth is flat.you guys are only searching for adventure and adrenalin!!!!You are really fools!!!!!!!!!

Are you confused? You came to us.

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#### hfree

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2009, 09:56:49 AM »

Sigh.  Did you look at the other sentence, by any chance?  I am a FE'er because 10,000 people come here to defend the RE and I can get more debates in being a FE'er.

So you believe in argument for arguments sake? I've seen some of your posts doing more than just that. I've seen you discussing the processes of FET. You really want to argue just to argue? Then why don't you just make up the rules as you go, like everyone else here?

Belief closes the eyes and the mind.

Nice i might make this my sig.

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#### Ravenwood240

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• I disagree. What was the Question?
##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2009, 10:09:07 AM »

Sigh.  Did you look at the other sentence, by any chance?  I am a FE'er because 10,000 people come here to defend the RE and I can get more debates in being a FE'er.

So you believe in argument for arguments sake? I've seen some of your posts doing more than just that. I've seen you discussing the processes of FET. You really want to argue just to argue? Then why don't you just make up the rules as you go, like everyone else here?

Belief closes the eyes and the mind.

Nice i might make this my sig.

Of course I discuss the processes of the FE model.  How can I defend it if I don't know how it works?

That would not make for very successful debates.

@User99:  opinion mercenary?  LOL.. I like that.  Look at it like this... I work at a book store where giggly little idiots come to buy those Meyers books about sparkling Vampires.

Personally, I think that the author is a fanfiction slut run wild, that she shouldn't be allowed to write anything, that her characters are an insult to anyone that reads her vile spewing crap and that she's got serious emotional problems that she projects onto her characters.

But you'll never hear me say any of that at work.

Everyone edits their words for the situation they are in.  Here, on this site, I am a FE supporter right now.  Next month, I may change that.
Belief gets in the way of learning.  If you believe something, you've closed your mind to any further thought.  I know some things, little things, not the nine million names of God.

(Paraphased from R.A. Heinlein's "Time Enough For Love.")

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#### hfree

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##### Re: Proof that our planet is round.
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2009, 09:52:33 AM »
@User99:  opinion mercenary?  LOL.. I like that.  Look at it like this... I work at a book store where giggly little idiots come to buy those Meyers books about sparkling Vampires.

Personally, I think that the author is a fanfiction slut run wild, that she shouldn't be allowed to write anything, that her characters are an insult to anyone that reads her vile spewing crap and that she's got serious emotional problems that she projects onto her characters.

But you'll never hear me say any of that at work.

Like i said just make it up like everyone else on this site.

There you go believing again. Just except it opinions are beliefs your whole life is based on beliefs. Just like we don't
experience the world we experience our senses.

And i get plenty of arguments i think even more being an RE on an FE site. Wouldn't you get more being and FE on the RE site. Or you need some one there to reassure you because you might cry if your left to defend Fe all on your own.
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