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Re: antartica
« Reply #300 on: June 21, 2008, 01:36:17 AM »
You need opposable thumbs to use a boat? Pirates only need one leg and one good hand -- they get by with a peg leg, and a hook. I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs would manage to sit their asses on a boat.

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Why would a creature without opposable thumbs build something that needs opposable thumbs to use?


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Re: antartica
« Reply #301 on: June 21, 2008, 02:09:08 AM »
and how are they going to build a boat without opposeble thumbs?

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« Reply #302 on: June 21, 2008, 09:13:32 AM »
It's already been demonstrated animals can use tools without thumbs.
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Re: antartica
« Reply #303 on: June 21, 2008, 09:28:54 AM »
It's already been demonstrated animals can use tools without thumbs.

but can they built a boat or something other complecated?

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« Reply #304 on: June 21, 2008, 09:42:51 AM »
It's already been demonstrated animals can use tools without thumbs.

But how will they build a boats, what is it made of, and what do they look like?

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« Reply #305 on: June 21, 2008, 10:03:19 AM »
I'd suspect they'd be relatively simple boats or rafts. How the hell should I know what they looked like?
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Re: antartica
« Reply #306 on: June 21, 2008, 10:09:19 AM »
I'd suspect they'd be relatively simple boats or rafts. How the hell should I know what they looked like?

I would think that it couldn't get any more sophisticated than something resembling a floating nest. 
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« Reply #307 on: June 21, 2008, 10:27:24 AM »
I'd suspect they'd be relatively simple boats or rafts. How the hell should I know what they looked like?

What do you mean by simple boat, what could they possibly build a functioning raft out of?

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« Reply #308 on: June 21, 2008, 10:55:59 AM »
One could assume the boats were built of naturally occuring materials but let us not make the mistake of over speculation.  We just do not have enough data about their technology.

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Re: antartica
« Reply #309 on: June 21, 2008, 11:05:53 AM »
And so you decided to spam it with a totally unrelated large graphic?

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Re: antartica
« Reply #310 on: June 21, 2008, 12:54:35 PM »
Hi, my name is Ciaran and i'm a firm believer in the round earth theory, i think that flat earth theories are fundamentally flawed and i find it difficult to believe that anyone truly still think that our earth is flat. However, i don't want to angrily rant at those who persist in being comedically ignorant.
so, i'd like to ask, if the continent of antartica doesn't exist, then do penguins exist? do they live on this supposed "ice wall"? what about the film "march of the penguins", was this filmed in a studio? are the penguins just good character actors? is morgan freeman a government agent?

I just can't belive someone is trying to come on to this forum and think they'll get respected if they think you spell antarctica like a texan pronounces it. "Antartica"... Really.
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Re: antartica
« Reply #311 on: June 21, 2008, 01:38:26 PM »
Can some one please draw a picture of a dinosaur building a boat? That would make my day.


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Re: antartica
« Reply #312 on: June 21, 2008, 01:43:05 PM »
Nobody really pays attention to detail any more, I didn't even see it was dinosaurs. ;D
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Re: antartica
« Reply #313 on: June 21, 2008, 08:29:55 PM »
Were I at all talented I'd draw a picture of dinosaurs building a boat with a large active volcano or two and flashing lightning in the background.
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« Reply #314 on: June 22, 2008, 10:11:34 AM »
Im sure the dinosaurs took pictures of their boats. We just havent unearthed the photographs yet. When we do, we will have all the proof we need.

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« Reply #315 on: June 22, 2008, 09:44:18 PM »
haha, I picture a t-rex attempting to build a boat, but getting frustrated by his little arms.
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Re: antartica
« Reply #316 on: June 22, 2008, 10:04:34 PM »
"I've got a big head and little arms!"  :-\
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Re: antartica
« Reply #317 on: June 22, 2008, 10:05:20 PM »
No.

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Re: antartica
« Reply #318 on: June 22, 2008, 10:30:43 PM »


Necessity is the mother of invention.
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Re: antartica
« Reply #319 on: June 30, 2008, 06:52:07 PM »
The first page of this thread is one of the funniest things Ive read on this whole forum

I laughed right out loud.

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Re: antartica
« Reply #320 on: July 01, 2008, 08:06:04 AM »
So you believe that a great deal of the different dinosaur species had the capacity to build boats?

Whys that when only a small group of mammals "to our knowledge" have been capable of this. And as of now only one remains.

By the way building a nest is in no way equivalent of building a boat and traveling to a different continent.

Building a nest is an instinctive trait passed on to enable the species to survive.
Birds do not learn how to build a nest from there parent (as far as i know) whereas mammals like humans learn this kind of behavior though cognitive reasoning.

Therefore i don't really see that nest building among birds in any way is an argument for such an outlandish theory.

Using that argument you could say that ants are intelligent because they build colonies and farm bugs. This is also an instinctive behavior which has existed for millions of years and is not the same as evolution of a society which goes much faster because it relies on the passing on of skills to the next generation.

Tool building in the animal kingdom is mostly very inflexible. it is homed for a certain environment and situation and isn't capable of transferring into a new situation.

Building a boat requires a GREAT deal of cognitive skills. Firstly you(the animal in question) would have to be able to imagine that there is an continent at the other side of a great sea. Secondly they would have to have some sort of idea about tool building which usually would come from evolving into a tool building animal. Like having opposable thumbs.

most animals use instincts along with operant conditioning to survive.

And judging by the fossil records of dinosaur i don't really see any evidence of them having any use for tools.

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« Reply #321 on: July 01, 2008, 11:54:19 AM »
So you believe that a great deal of the different dinosaur species had the capacity to build boats?

Whys that when only a small group of mammals "to our knowledge" have been capable of this. And as of now only one remains.

By the way building a nest is in no way equivalent of building a boat and traveling to a different continent.

Building a nest is an instinctive trait passed on to enable the species to survive.
Birds do not learn how to build a nest from there parent (as far as i know) whereas mammals like humans learn this kind of behavior though cognitive reasoning.

Therefore i don't really see that nest building among birds in any way is an argument for such an outlandish theory.

Using that argument you could say that ants are intelligent because they build colonies and farm bugs. This is also an instinctive behavior which has existed for millions of years and is not the same as evolution of a society which goes much faster because it relies on the passing on of skills to the next generation.

Tool building in the animal kingdom is mostly very inflexible. it is homed for a certain environment and situation and isn't capable of transferring into a new situation.

Building a boat requires a GREAT deal of cognitive skills. Firstly you(the animal in question) would have to be able to imagine that there is an continent at the other side of a great sea. Secondly they would have to have some sort of idea about tool building which usually would come from evolving into a tool building animal. Like having opposable thumbs.

most animals use instincts along with operant conditioning to survive.

And judging by the fossil records of dinosaur i don't really see any evidence of them having any use for tools.

Well obviously if the theory is correct dinosaurs were far more intelligent than we give them credit for being.
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Re: antartica
« Reply #322 on: July 03, 2008, 10:51:47 AM »
So you believe that a great deal of the different dinosaur species had the capacity to build boats?

Whys that when only a small group of mammals "to our knowledge" have been capable of this. And as of now only one remains.

Even if only one species of dinosaur attained naval capabilities, their travel would doubtless have included the transportation of "livestock" analogous to human society's domain over less developed animals, which would still corroborate fossil evidence.

However, it's entirely plausible that many species of dinosaur became enlightened and would have used their skills to compliment one another's in building a fleet of intercontinental boats. Given the amount of time dinosaurs ruled the Earth compared with humans, it's quite likely that dinosaurs would have overcome the petty prejudices which still plague mankind today, and created a harmonious society in which several species had a legitimate role.

By the way building a nest is in no way equivalent of building a boat and traveling to a different continent.

I'm not suggesting it is, the reason for nest-building as an example is that it exhibits fine-motor skills and tool use.

Building a nest is an instinctive trait passed on to enable the species to survive.

Building a boat may have been an instinctive trait passed on to enable the species to survive (though I don't believe it was).

Birds do not learn how to build a nest from there parent (as far as i know) whereas mammals like humans learn this kind of behavior though cognitive reasoning.

Therefore i don't really see that nest building among birds in any way is an argument for such an outlandish theory.

It's nowhere near that clear cut. Many, many birds demonstrate learning from environment rather than through instinct. Crows, parrots, and, oh - pigeons - are just some of the birds which are capable of environmental learning.

Mammals also exhibit a great deal of instinctive behaviour.

Using that argument you could say that ants are intelligent because they build colonies and farm bugs. This is also an instinctive behavior which has existed for millions of years and is not the same as evolution of a society which goes much faster because it relies on the passing on of skills to the next generation.

Yes but you'll see that I'm arguing that boat building was the result of cognition, not instinct.

Tool building in the animal kingdom is mostly very inflexible. it is homed for a certain environment and situation and isn't capable of transferring into a new situation.

Nope, it isn't. Almost all human tool use is cognitive and adaptive, so is much avian cognition.

Building a boat requires a GREAT deal of cognitive skills. Firstly you(the animal in question) would have to be able to imagine that there is an continent at the other side of a great sea. Secondly they would have to have some sort of idea about tool building which usually would come from evolving into a tool building animal.

You just described what people have done. Why can't dinosaurs have done it?...

Like having opposable thumbs.

...and here's the reason for the nest example. How many times do I have to reiterate that OPPOSABLE THUMBS ARE NOT A PREREQUISITE FOR ADVANCED TOOL USE?

Not only does nest-building provide a robust rebuttal to this misconception, it's also disproven by my favorite FE-related experiment, the dinosaur-hands experiment. I have personally conducted an experiment proving that advanced tools can be used without opposable thumbs by taping the digits of my hands together in the configuration [thumb-index; middle-ring; little finger] and then doing all kinds of stuff. Eventually, I am going to organise a mass experiment in which a group of people with this taping restriction construct a seaworthy boat using natural materials. It will be great.

most animals use instincts along with operant conditioning to survive.

Dinosaurs (and people) are not most animals.

And judging by the fossil records of dinosaur i don't really see any evidence of them having any use for tools.

Read the thread please, we've discussed this. The statistical likelyhood of wooden tools surviving (on the basis of proportions of dinosaur remains which fossilize against those which don't) is very slim. The likelyhood of stone tools being distinguishable from those of a human origin is very slim.
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« Reply #323 on: August 05, 2008, 06:22:36 PM »
Except that human stone tools and dinosaur stone tools would not be at the same point in the fossil record. In fact a human stone tool would not take any part of the fossil record.

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Re: antartica
« Reply #325 on: August 14, 2008, 05:59:09 AM »
Incredible, human sized penguins, that should be a monster movie.


Also, according to my understanding, some FEers believe Antarctica is a peninsula attached to the inside of the southern ice wall, whereas some believe that Antarctica is the ice wall itself or even that there is no Antarctica and only the "Ice Wall."

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Re: antartica
« Reply #326 on: August 14, 2008, 06:57:31 AM »
Those pictures are photoshopped. Except for the one with the skulls. The larger skull is made of composite materials.
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Re: antartica
« Reply #327 on: August 14, 2008, 09:54:48 AM »
So, I've read this whole thread, and chunks of some of the others, and I've gotta say "Wow".  I honestly had no idea there were still people out there who believe the Earth is flat.  I mean, I love a good conspiracy theory (9/11, JFK, I could even see the faked moon landing being possible) but this takes the cake.  Sentient dinosaurs traveling between the continents, bio-engineered penguins, ice guards (I can't even type that without cracking a smile).  I've just got a couple of questions before I trade in my globe for a map on a table with some ice cubes around the perimeter...

1.)  If the Earth is traveling upward at a rate of 1G, wouldn't we
 a. Get closer to the stars etc.
 b. Hit things as we travel
 c. Move into a different area of the universe
 
2.)  Do you guys tell the people you know in real life that you believe the Earth is flat?   (not trying to be offensive, I'm honestly curious about this)

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« Reply #328 on: August 14, 2008, 10:09:42 AM »
1.)
a.) No, the stars are moving as well.
b.) Well, meteorites and asteroids smash into the earth a lot, but that is fact in the RE model of the universe too.
c.) Well, that too is a fact in the RE model of the universe.

2.) My old friends didn't believe me, so I made new ones here. ;D
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Re: antartica
« Reply #329 on: August 14, 2008, 10:12:30 AM »
1.)  If the Earth is traveling upward at a rate of 1G, wouldn't we
 a. Get closer to the stars etc.
 b. Hit things as we travel
 c. Move into a different area of the universe
 
2.)  Do you guys tell the people you know in real life that you believe the Earth is flat?   (not trying to be offensive, I'm honestly curious about this)

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 a. No.
 b. Yes, they're called meteors.
 c. Yes.

2.) No.
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